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Two counterpoints: 1. Rudy Giuliani is on record as saying that Trump asked how to 'legally' implement the Muslim ban he promised in the campaign trail, and th

Two counterpoints: 1. Rudy Giuliani is on record as saying that Trump asked how to 'legally' implement the Muslim ban he promised in the campaign trail, and that this executive order is the result. Even if the end result isn't a blanket ban on all Muslims, the intent remains. 2. International law, and treaties that the US have signed, oblige them to shoulder some of the collective responsibility for refugee resettlement in the international community. Banning refugees based on their country of origin works against that, and may well be illegal.

Dagwoodie 10y ago
What international laws, treaty or treaties are you referring to? I find your statement very hard to believe, but I'm no expert.
- not_debt 10y ago
  The 1951 Refugee Convention, in particular Article 3. Legal issues are well beyond the area of my expertise, so I have no idea if Trump's recent actions contravene this per se, but the point is that we do have some obligation to help refugees under international law.
  - Dagwoodie 10y ago
    Interesting, thanks.
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seanmcdirmid 10y ago
Curious. Did Trump promise a Muslim ban on the campaign trail? If so, how does he claim with a straight face that this isn't the Muslim ban he promised? I mean, what do people expect? He's doing basically what he promised to do, as racist as that sounds (because...it's meant to be).
- not_debt 10y ago
  Yes, he is recorded on video as saying it, the most mentioned quote being: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."
- Malician 10y ago
  https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-... It's on his website.
flukus 10y ago
> International law You can renounce an international treaty easily enough. In fact I'd say the refugee convention is well based it's use by date. I't basically only accepted by the western world when there are many countries that would be better positioned to accept the current refugee population.

Dagwoodie 10y ago

What international laws, treaty or treaties are you referring to? I find your statement very hard to believe, but I'm no expert.

not_debt 10y ago
The 1951 Refugee Convention, in particular Article 3. Legal issues are well beyond the area of my expertise, so I have no idea if Trump's recent actions contravene this per se, but the point is that we do have some obligation to help refugees under international law.
- Dagwoodie 10y ago
  Interesting, thanks.
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seanmcdirmid 10y ago

Curious. Did Trump promise a Muslim ban on the campaign trail? If so, how does he claim with a straight face that this isn't the Muslim ban he promised? I mean, what do people expect? He's doing basically what he promised to do, as racist as that sounds (because...it's meant to be).

not_debt 10y ago
Yes, he is recorded on video as saying it, the most mentioned quote being: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."
Malician 10y ago
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-... It's on his website.

flukus 10y ago

> International law You can renounce an international treaty easily enough. In fact I'd say the refugee convention is well based it's use by date. I't basically only accepted by the western world when there are many countries that would be better positioned to accept the current refugee population.