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I have much more problem with killing so many innocents overseas than I do with some MIT student missing class or a researcher being kept away from their work.

I have much more problem with killing so many innocents overseas than I do with some MIT student missing class or a researcher being kept away from their work. So that's why these protests seem really hypocritical to me.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago
See we are different. This is why I can dislike china so much for oppressing their own people even though they haven't killed any non-Chinese in almost 35 years. It is just a different level of bad to screw up your own country rather than others. America shouldn't become china. I really can't judge why we do stuff abroad, but I can totally see what is happening in front of my face.
- theWatcher37 10y ago
  Alternative theory: your (and most people's) outrage is largely directed by the media, not morals. The left goes to sleep when a liberal president gets in.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    You can have your alternative theories and facts to yourself, thank you. I've told you how I really feel about it.
Cursuviam 10y ago
A protest isn't hypocritical just because something worse in the past happened that wasn't protested. Maybe some issues with a human face to rally behind receive disproportionate attention, but that doesn't invalidate the issue.
- aaronbrethorst 10y ago
  This was a Cold War propaganda technique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  - oculusthrift 10y ago
    worst part is how disingenuous it is. it's not that they want believe some point but simply want to discredit opposition.
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- adventured 10y ago
  Failing to stand up against egregious civil liberties abuses for eight years, then immediately springing into action again (on every possible topic) because your party is now out of power, is the definition of hypocrisy politically. This happens with every rotation, I watched it happen from Clinton to Bush, and then from Bush to Obama, and now from Obama to Trump. At the same time the Democrats wanted my vote for Clinton against Trump (I voted for neither). One of the lesser reasons Trump is President, is that vast hypocrisy by the left on civil liberties. It does matter. Clinton was a war hawk that supported bombing only Muslim countries (she supported bombing something like eight different Muslim nations in the last 15 years; but I'm to believe she's not anti-Muslim) and overwhelmingly anti-privacy, she isn't getting my vote on the argument that she's the lesser of two devils. Sanders by contrast, has historically been very consistent on civil liberties for decades, and I'd have considered voting for him.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    Look, shit in someone else's yard, I don't care. Shit in my yard, I care a lot about that. There is nothing hypocritical about expecting your country to look out for your interests, while other countries can look out for the interests of their own citizens and residents. This is nothing about "party". Bush would have never done this, neither would McCain and Romney have been so stupid if they were elected. No, this transcends republican and democrat to a new level of damaging politics unseen since the 1930s.
    - theWatcher37 10y ago
      Except Obama himself did this exact same thing, and Carter. You only care because of who's doing it.
      - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
        I've addressed that in multiple comments.
    - StreamBright 10y ago
      It is an interesting stand when you walked over to somebody else's garden and took a dump and than you say I do not care about that. The mass immigration problem is there because of the consistent, bad, misguided, systematic intervention the US committed in the last 30 years in the middle east. Most of the immigrants this executive action is screwing over are leaving their country because of the results of US intervention. http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/us-intervention-before-after.jpg http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/us...

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

See we are different. This is why I can dislike china so much for oppressing their own people even though they haven't killed any non-Chinese in almost 35 years. It is just a different level of bad to screw up your own country rather than others. America shouldn't become china. I really can't judge why we do stuff abroad, but I can totally see what is happening in front of my face.

theWatcher37 10y ago
Alternative theory: your (and most people's) outrage is largely directed by the media, not morals. The left goes to sleep when a liberal president gets in.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  You can have your alternative theories and facts to yourself, thank you. I've told you how I really feel about it.

Cursuviam 10y ago

A protest isn't hypocritical just because something worse in the past happened that wasn't protested. Maybe some issues with a human face to rally behind receive disproportionate attention, but that doesn't invalidate the issue.

aaronbrethorst 10y ago
This was a Cold War propaganda technique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- oculusthrift 10y ago
  worst part is how disingenuous it is. it's not that they want believe some point but simply want to discredit opposition.
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adventured 10y ago
Failing to stand up against egregious civil liberties abuses for eight years, then immediately springing into action again (on every possible topic) because your party is now out of power, is the definition of hypocrisy politically. This happens with every rotation, I watched it happen from Clinton to Bush, and then from Bush to Obama, and now from Obama to Trump. At the same time the Democrats wanted my vote for Clinton against Trump (I voted for neither). One of the lesser reasons Trump is President, is that vast hypocrisy by the left on civil liberties. It does matter. Clinton was a war hawk that supported bombing only Muslim countries (she supported bombing something like eight different Muslim nations in the last 15 years; but I'm to believe she's not anti-Muslim) and overwhelmingly anti-privacy, she isn't getting my vote on the argument that she's the lesser of two devils. Sanders by contrast, has historically been very consistent on civil liberties for decades, and I'd have considered voting for him.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  Look, shit in someone else's yard, I don't care. Shit in my yard, I care a lot about that. There is nothing hypocritical about expecting your country to look out for your interests, while other countries can look out for the interests of their own citizens and residents. This is nothing about "party". Bush would have never done this, neither would McCain and Romney have been so stupid if they were elected. No, this transcends republican and democrat to a new level of damaging politics unseen since the 1930s.
  - theWatcher37 10y ago
    Except Obama himself did this exact same thing, and Carter. You only care because of who's doing it.
    - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
      I've addressed that in multiple comments.
  - StreamBright 10y ago
    It is an interesting stand when you walked over to somebody else's garden and took a dump and than you say I do not care about that. The mass immigration problem is there because of the consistent, bad, misguided, systematic intervention the US committed in the last 30 years in the middle east. Most of the immigrants this executive action is screwing over are leaving their country because of the results of US intervention. http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/us-intervention-before-after.jpg http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/us...