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Wine 2.0 released

896 points by coldpie 10y ago

cridenour 10y ago
Excited to see Retina support in this release.
NotSteve 10y ago
Any hope of playing Overwatch with this?
- akjainaj 10y ago
  Generally you should consider yourself lucky if you can run any old game. Even games that sold dozens of millions of copies and were released ten years ago are full of glitches, such as the early GTA series.
  - madez 10y ago
    You are downvoted because you are wrong. I have made very good experiences with wine.
    - akjainaj 10y ago
      I am glad to hear that. On the other hand, I have had disastrous experiences running games with Wine.
    - artursapek 10y ago
      How much of a performance hit have you seen when running games, compared to just running them in Windows on the same machine?
      - Diederich 10y ago
        In most cases, I can't notice a difference in performance.
        artursapek 10y ago
        Great to hear, thanks. I'll have to try out Wine soon.
      - viraptor 10y ago
        Depends on the game. Some run better on Windows, some on Wine. You need to check for specific titles with this kind of question. I've seen multiple sources claiming that CoD2 and WoW run with better FPS on Wine for example.
        artursapek 10y ago
        Wow, I never would have thought they could run better. I'm thinking of old titles, AoE II, Starcraft, etc. They have good ratings but I'm just wondering if it would be anywhere near as bad as when I used to run VMWare on my old Mac.
        teach 10y ago
        VMWare is an emulator. Wine is not an emulator.
        avisser 10y ago
        To be pedantic, VMWare is a virtual machine. It sure as hell doesn't emulate your x86 CPU.
        wtallis 10y ago
        VMWare has historically used emulation for kernel/privileged code when the host CPU doesn't allow for direct virtualization. VMWare also emulates peripheral hardware. Wine doesn't emulate any hardware.
        bigbugbag 10y ago
        Isn't vmware virtualization ? despite it's tongue in cheek retro-acronymic name, wine is indeed an emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_seems_to_be_disagreement https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_see... Also before it changed its name for the current retro acronym WINE used to mean WINdows Emulator: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
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      - EamonnMR 10y ago
        Critically, WINE outperforms VirtualBox, especially if you account for starting up (or the overhead of constantly running) a virtual windows machine. Being able to run a few apps without switching off your dual boot machine or firing up a vm is nice.
      - disconnected 10y ago
        Depends on the game. My experience is this: As a general rule, assume that there will always be a performance penalty. It will be good enough to be playable, but you'll notice the difference, and you'll have to adjust the graphics down one or two notches (go down from "Max" graphics settings to "Medium" or similar). If you can live with this, you're fine. Some games, in particular old games that don't rely much on 3D (I'm thinking of Age of Wonders right now), work really well, or well enough that you don't notice the difference. I have some games that are unplayable, but thankfully those are rare (or I am just lucky). X3, for example, is glitchy as hell and the performance is very bad. Some games are also inexplicably slow: there are some PopCap games (very casual and "lightweight" games) that are just unplayable, for some reason. However, with regards to being playable, I think that the graphical bugs will be the showstoppers, not performance.
      - TheCycoONE 10y ago
        On my laptop with an NVidia GTX 880m, under Windows 10 many DirectX 8 games run horrendously slow. Under wine these games run perfectly smooth as you would expect. It seems either Windows or NVIDIA did a lousy job of their DX8 compatibility.
  - neilsimp1 10y ago
    For a lot of cases, I'm sure this is true. I have seen Starcraft II running in Wine smoothly and no issues though.
- ronjouch 10y ago
  AppDB is the canonical resource for this kind of question: https://appdb.winehq.org/ https://appdb.winehq.org/ -> Returns https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... , which says it's currently classified "Garbage" as of 2.0-rc2.
  - NotSteve 10y ago
    Ah that's sad to see. Maybe someday
  - floatboth 10y ago
    "crashes immediately upon launching" But there was a screenshot of the main menu on Wine! Maybe it was some experimental branch of Wine or something.
  - aruggirello 10y ago
    BTW if you find you need multiple versions of Wine for better compatibility with different apps (and probably even if you don't), PlayOnLinux is also a great tool.
  - aidenn0 10y ago
    In my experience, AppDB is mostly useless for answering this kind of question. It's right maybe 30-40% of the time with the rest being one of: 1) Says it doesn't work when it works fine on default settings 2) Says it works and I spend hours and hours messing with settings trying to get it to work before giving up. 3) Only reports a version of my application that is so out of date that I don't care. Granted I mostly use applications, not games, so perhaps it's better with games.
- jononor 10y ago
  In general, check the WineHQ appdb for how well (or not) something works. For Overwatch it is not looking good, https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio...
- darkengine 10y ago
  You can reach the title screen in master, but it looks like that code won't make it into a relase until 2.1. Even then, it's still not playable.
- shmerl 10y ago
  Some progress is happening for it: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-also-showing-progress-towards-overwatch-working-in-a-future-wine-version.8715 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-...
bandrami 10y ago
Cool. I have to admit I haven't thought about Wine in a while because I can't think of any software I use that doesn't have a Linux version. What are people's use-cases nowadays?
- weberc2 10y ago
  Anything in Adobe's Creative Suite.
  - Andrex 10y ago
    Does Adobe's stuff run well? I'd switch to Linux in a heartbeat if Premiere Pro performed adequately.
    - some-guy 10y ago
      Can't speak for Premiere, but I have a really old copy of Photoshop (7.0) that I run on Wine and it has all of the features I need.
      - platz 10y ago
        As long as you're not trying to collaborate with anyone, I've come around to The Gimp a bit lately for basic image manipulation w/ layers.
        Theodores 10y ago
        I did that for a while but then moved to doing things in command line imageMagick with 'eog' to see stuff. Then I moved to php imagick library as the command line tools were a bit 'high level' for what I needed to do. Naturally I also moved away from Adobe vector editing tools to Inkscape and then to using vim to edit svg files. Having discovered this 'convenient' way of working I am not enthused by the idea of installing some ppa to install Wine to install Adobe Creative Suite so I can get access to some version of Photoshop to then crack/hack it. Seems a lot of work to tweak the levels on an image.
dmerrick 10y ago
I've been using computers my whole life, and a lot of the magic has been explained away. Wine is a project that continues to astound me. Grats to the Wine team, this is great!
- mrmondo 10y ago
  Took the words out of my mouth. It's saved me from having to install complex or insecure VMs or additional machines so many times I can't count. I also enjoy using it to bundle applications usable on Linux and MacOS that otherwise were locked in to windows.
  - duozerk 10y ago
    It's also a godsend for gaming on Linux. As long as you take a peek at the wine appdb page for the game you're trying to run beforehand, they usually work great and with pretty good performances. Though granted the games I play tend not to be cutting edge (but for example, Skyrim with a large texture pack and a full, heavy mod conversion such as Enderal works perfectly and with CSMT, with performances roughly equal to Windows).
    - bigbugbag 10y ago
      > It's also a godsend for windows gaming on Linux here FTFY.
      - Skunkleton 10y ago
        Are you implying that having access to Windows games on Linux does not improve gaming on Linux?
        duozerk 10y ago
        I believe he's saying that gaming on Linux today goes far beyond Wine, given numerous high profile games have been ported to Linux recently (in a large part thanks to Unity and Valve's Steam OS push).
singularity2001 10y ago
Did anyone manage to navigate through the download jungle?
- someguy101010 10y ago
  if you're on linux wine is a package available in most distributions and you usually "sudo apt-get install wine" *you're
  - bdcravens 10y ago
    Even available on Homebrew on OSX (doesn't yet have 2.0 final it appears)
    - apetresc 10y ago
      The pull request is up: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/9238 https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/9238 Should be merged within 24 hours or so.
  - lnx01 10y ago
    True, provided your distro already has 2.0 -- otherwise if you do that now you're going to get an older version.
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excalibur 10y ago
> The main highlights are the support for Microsoft Office 2013, and the 64-bit support on macOS. This made me chuckle. Better late than never I suppose.
- pmiller2 10y ago
  A volunteer reverse engineering project being only 3 years behind a gigantic corporation is actually pretty impressive.
  - rijoja 10y ago
    Very much so but there are some commercial companies that have been contributing to the project as well.
- deepuj 10y ago
  I havent used office in a many years now.. but I thought MS Office is now an online offering similar to Google Docs?
  - amclennon 10y ago
    There's a "light" version available online, but you must be thinking about Office 365. Although the core product is still desktop based, they've been shifting to an optional subscription model where you pay $9/month or so for perpetual updates and 1tb of storage.
    - apatters 10y ago
      This model is great for me. It's very rare that I need to view or edit a document in an Office application but it does happen occasionally when the formatting is complex or something. Just install Office in a VM, pay $9 for 1 month of access, and unsub again when I'm done!
  - reitanqild 10y ago
    Yes and no. The old installable still exists and many features only exists in that version. The offline version has also become a lot easier to install. The web app version is lacking in a number of ways and was buggy last I tried.
rijoja 10y ago
This brings me back to the early days of my Linux usage. I've always been fascinated by this project. My very nerdy dream has always been to try to contribute to it somehow. How hard is it to get in to the community?
- littleweep 10y ago
  The beauty is you can contribute in any way. If you're a web designer, you can help with their site. If you're a technical writer, you can help improve documentation. You don't need to contribute to the core codebase to contribute to the project at large.
  - rijoja 10y ago
    Yeah really I would like to dive in at the deep end of the pool. But I've never had the time or the energy I suppose.
- stuaxo 10y ago
  Another non development way to contribute is on the appdb, testing compatibility - https://appdb.winehq.org/ https://appdb.winehq.org/
  - zymhan 10y ago
    I used to test and submit reports to AppDB back in the day, it's quite satisfying to add to that corpus.
  - bblough 10y ago
    Unless you run Debian stable (or probably any LTS distro), in which case they don't want your reports because "your software is too out of date". I find this attitude odd, because there are (at least) tens of thousands of wine installs under Debian alone. Surely the information is relevant and useful to people, even if the version is no longer officially supported. As a result, I've stopped wasting my time filing reports only to have them rejected.
geovani_filipp0 10y ago
This is excellent! I've been using this since it first came out! Kudos to the team!!!
doener 10y ago
I could't get my Windows 10 installation on my iMac to run the 2004 game Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines. Tried it with Crossover for Mac (Wine based) - and it worked.
partycoder 10y ago
I have a lot of respect for the WINE developers. It is a tremendous effort to implement an ABI to provide compatibility for a operating system such as Windows.
jesuslop 10y ago
Wine is a great project, and truly 'is not an emulator'. It takes the main win32 APIs and they are reimplemented natively by posix means, GDI, USER32, ADVAPI, and so on. Time ago I run an experiment to port Wine to windows and run a notepad.exe on top of X11. After that I managed to wrap ActiveX components inside GTK2 bonobo components served on windows to insert them into Linux GTK apps so you could have UI-bound network transparent middleware components, and it worked. Sadly de Icaza changed the arch later.
- tzs 10y ago
  > Wine is a great project, and truly 'is not an emulator'. The Wine is not an emulator thing has an interesting history. It originally was officially called an emulator. The change was largely due to essentially marketing. The first suggestion for the "Wine Is Not an Emulator" language was made in 1993, over concern that "Windows Emulator" might run into trademark problems with Microsoft. That suggestion was by Bob Amstadt [1] in a post where he also explained how the name "wine" came about. His original thought when he started the project was to name it "winemu", but didn't like that and shortened it to "wine", which led him to "whine" and "whinny". He liked "whine" but felt it was too long. As far as I can tell, nothing ever came of that 1993 post. By 1997, though, the "not an emulator" meaning was in use as an alternative. According to the Wine FAQ from late 1997 [2]: "The word Wine stands for one of two things: WINdows Emulator, or Wine Is Not an Emulator. Both are right. Use whichever one you like best". Calling Wine an emulator was dropped between releases 981108 and 981211. The 981108 release notes [3] say "This is release 981108 of Wine, the MS Windows emulator", and the 981211 release notes [4] say "This is release 981211 of Wine, a free implementation of Windows on Unix". The dropping of calling Wine an emulator appears to have taken place for two reasons. One was that Wine could be used for more than just running Windows binaries on Unix. It could also be used as a library that could be linked with Windows source that was compiled on Unix in order to make a stand-alone Unix binary of a Windows program. The other was that most users had only encountered emulators that emulated hardware (e.g., emulators that emulated old gaming systems or old 8-bit personal computers). Those emulators tended to be slow, which led most users to make the unjustified assumption that emulation necessarily implied slowness. If Wine was called an emulator many people would assume that programs running under Wine would be massively slower than those same programs running on a real Windows system. (I once had sources for the claims in this and the preceding paragraph but did not save them, and have not been able to rediscover them. They were probably posts in comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine in the late '90s if anyone with better search skills wants to have a go at it). [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.misc/_g3F2H4ieDc/1tN3XZODaYwJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.mis... [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/GOg6NAoNkg8/_jOvbogsh70J https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-wind... [3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/yYfTNV3Z2J0/fu4dtf_A2RcJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-wind... [4] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/tbMAhTg6GEs/tbBxEO4OtmEJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-wind...
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acd 10y ago
Would Microsoft sell Winelibs or Windows for Linux now that there are Linux for Windows?
- ravenstine 10y ago
  That's actually a pretty neat idea. I'd much rather be running Windows on Linux than Linux on Windows. Too bad they'll never do it.
- my123 10y ago
  SQL Server basically uses Drawbridge, which is an NT kernel in userspace. They did it, but I doubt that they'll sell it.
Cacti 10y ago
What is the technical use case for Wine these days? Are we basically talking running certain Windows applications on Linux, at reasonable framerates, using hardware that doesn't support full virtualization pass-through? In other words, if you've got virtualization support, and pcie pass-through support, why not just run this stuff through a Windows VM?
- panic 10y ago
  I've used Wine on macOS to play indie games (typically 2D GameMaker games). It's way easier than booting up a VM.
- thyrsus 10y ago
  The license is LGPL, somewhat different than Microsoft's.
  - Cacti 10y ago
    That's why I specified technical reasons.
- shmerl 10y ago
  > What is the technical use case for Wine these days? Gaming on Linux using Windows games is a widely common use case. Wine works very well for most DX9 games already, but DX11 support is still quite WIP. > if you've got virtualization support, and pcie pass-through support, why not just run this stuff through a Windows VM? Because you don't want to run Windows? There can be multiple reasons for the later.
  - gpderetta 10y ago
    I remember many years ago you at best had a chance to get opengl games working under wine; getting anything directX working was a pipe dream. Today most DirecX 9 games work flawlessly out of the box (including one click install from steam, also running under wine).
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shmerl 10y ago
Kudos to Wine developers for their work. Hopefully in 2017 Wine will catch up with DX11 support to make games like The Witcher 3 playable on Linux.
berry_sortoro 10y ago
Can someone explain the DX10 + 11 added features to me? Does this mean DX 10/11 games will run in wine now or soon? As others are talking about games. I was never really satisfied with the experience. Many games used to need a lot of tweaking, many did and do not really run well. As a true gamer who plays new games I hope for the day to send fucking windows to hell but so far I need my dual boot for gaming. Hopefully Vulkan and native linux games rise even faster. So far M$ monopoly still has the devs by the balls. There are more DX12 games then vulkan games and Vulkan does not mean linux.
ww520 10y ago
This is perfect for gaming VM. Installing Windows in a VM requires an extra license. With Wine, I can install Linux in a VM and install Wine in it to run Windows games. Anything blows up in the VM can be rolled back.
- striking 10y ago
  Are you sure that's going to work? I don't think you'll be able to take full advantage of your graphics hardware that way. (Last I checked, Virtualbox and friends refused to allocate more than 256MB of VRAM... so I could play Duck Game and no more.)
  - purplerabbit 10y ago
    Good question. I was thinking it'd be fun to benchmark an application running on Windows vs. that same application running on Wine running in the Ubuntu Userspace in Windows. I'd have to guess it'd be at least a few times slower.
    - nerflad 10y ago
      That would make since, considering the overhead involved in translating the syscalls twice. It would be really interesting to see if/how the native Windows syscalls differed from the ones coming out of the Wine->WSL pipeline.
  - ww520 10y ago
    Not the latest games that stress the hardware. Mainly the games I download from the web that I don't trust to run outside of a sandbox.
- pvdebbe 10y ago
  Maintaining several wineprefixes is trivial too. The wineprefix describes where wine installs the "drive_c" and other stuff. So essentially it's the "chroot" of wine. It's of course more secure to do so in a VM but I run several wineprefixes locally for convenience.
woodandsteel 10y ago
My favorite Wine comment over the years: "But does it run Cygwin?"
- yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
  And can the resulting... setup... be run on NT? :)
- namtrac 10y ago
  Well yes it does: https://wiki.winehq.org/Cygwin_and_More https://wiki.winehq.org/Cygwin_and_More
andersonmvd 10y ago
Wine saved my day to play my (Steam) games on Linux. It's not the same performance on Windows and there are many opportunities to improve, but just being able to play it's amazing.
orionblastar 10y ago
Remember that ReactOS shares code with Wine. Which means when ReactOS uses the code from Wine 2.0 it should be able to run more Windows apps.
projektfu 10y ago
A few years ago I was working on ReactOS and I found a bug in the list view control. After working hard on a patch, I submitted it and heard nothing about it. Have community relations improved since then?
- coldpie 10y ago
  I'm sorry to hear that. In order to avoid regressions, we have pretty rigorous requirements for patch submissions. Unfortunately this can result in dropped patches, especially in subsystems that no one in particular feels responsible for. We are trying to improve this, and we now ship a MAINTAINERS file that will hopefully help with this, and are also actively spreading patch review responsibilities around. I don't think we're significantly worse than most OSS projects, but that doesn't mean we can't improve. In terms of getting a patch accepted, your best move is to include tests that prove your change is correct. Explaining how your change fixes an application will also help.
  - projektfu 10y ago
    I did those things back then, but there just wasn't anyone listening on the other end.
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gravypod 10y ago
I have been wondering something for a long time. Why do some programs work better on specific versions of wine? I think that's what makes me feel iffy about the entire project. I know it's amazing work but I just don't get why that would happen.
- coldpie 10y ago
  We're rewriting an entire operating system. We have a pretty amazing regression test suite, but it's simply impossible to test everything all the time. Sometimes a change breaks something and it slips through the tests. If you find something that used to work and no longer does, please file a bug. We take regressions seriously; we even have a page dedicated specifically to tracking them: http://source.winehq.org/regressions http://source.winehq.org/regressions
dboreham 10y ago
I still recall a fresh intern arriving in my office grinning and breathless one day, talking about Wine. We discussed it a little and I told him "it'll take a while before it achieves usable compatibility with major Windows applications". This was in 1993.
- ant6n 10y ago
  It probably achieved compatibility with major Windows applications from 1993 some time ago.
pkrumins 10y ago
It's time to celebrate! https://comic.browserling.com/tux-party.png https://comic.browserling.com/tux-party.png
z3roblock 10y ago
I've been waiting so long ! Good work Wine team.
z3roblock 10y ago
Ive been waiting for so long!
grovegames 10y ago
Will this be able to run Photoshop CC? I am desperately trying to move most of the production pipeline to linux, but Photoshop CC is the one product I can't seem to replace. I've mitigated part of this with 3D-Coat, but if I could have a native Photoshop CC on linux, it would be close to perfect.
- deviantfero 10y ago
  I have photoshop CS6 working perfectly fine, just look around for a custom installer that doesn`t connect to the internet, you should find it in any pirate site
  - grovegames 10y ago
    I'm using the professionally, so legally is important. But thanks for the suggestion.
transposed 10y ago
Though I've made the switch from Windows to Linux, I have not used Wine. Maybe it's time? What main things work and don't work?
bedros 10y ago
any luck with lightroom 6.0 on linux with this release?
mukundmr 10y ago
I use Wine to run the 64bit Windows client of GuildWars2 on my iMac. It is more stable than the current GuildWars2 Mac client. Graphics performance isn't upto par, but I need stability more for events and dungeons. ArenaNet is still building a proper Mac client after Transgaming was taking over by NVidia.
bartvk 10y ago
The biggest commercial contributor to Wine is CodeWeavers: https://www.codeweavers.com/ https://www.codeweavers.com/ Fantastic and very sympathetic small company which offers a next-next-finish installation of Wine. Excellent if you run a Linux desktop in a corporate environment that expects the ability to run Windows stuff.
- mdewinter 10y ago
  Office 2010 and with the latest version Office 2013 work flawlessly with Crossover on Linux (and Mac): https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Office_2013_and_2010_on_Linux.html https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Office_2013_and_2010_on_Linux... The support of codeweavers is very good and fast as well, the two times I had to contact them. The bottle system is amazing. It allows you to have multiple wine environments with different Windows versions seperated, so not just one Wine for all. Office 2003 runs on Windows XP, 2013 on a Vista env. The bottles can be exported to RPM or DEB or shell installer for easy deployment as well. Plus the easy online database with appliations and profiles makes Crossover, for me at least, have a big advantage over bare Wine.
  - Master0010 10y ago
    What is the big difference comparing with PlayOnLinux?
    - baldfat 10y ago
      PlayOnLinux is a community application using WINE and with CrossOver you get full time employees working on the latest issues on Wine and first releasing their fixes into the application. They then turn the code over to WINE downstream. So when you help CrossOver you financially help WINE and a person who will help you with your problem within 24 hours. Also CrossOver gives you their bottle system and a great website to get your stuff working.
  - bisby 10y ago
    As far as I know, the "bottle" system is available in standard wine too (as wine prefixes), Codeweavers just provides a very fancy wrapper for the system and tools for managing the bottles. And that is definitely very handy if you want things to "just work" and dont want to fuss with prefixes yourself.
chphipps 10y ago
Wine is a great project. This brings me back to the early days of Linux!
ComodoHacker 10y ago
>- The Gecko engine is updated to the version from Firefox 47. What is it used for?
- majewsky 10y ago
  Some Windows programs use the Internet Explorer API to display local HTML content or to provide an in-app browser. Gecko is used by the part of Wine that provides this API.
- ccozan 10y ago
  Think of embedded webviews in some applications. On real Windows, you use the activeX webview component, on wine you get gecko. Please correct me if I am wrong.
jpeeler 10y ago
I remember years ago (5?) Google was releasing Picasa for Linux, except the binaries were for Windows. Google had chosen to distribute it alongside a bundled Wine installer! Aside from the general distaste in bundling things, I was always impressed with how well Wine handled running applications. Otherwise, surely such a decision wouldn't have been made. If I'm not mistaken Google also contributed patches to make Wine work better, but I don't know how critical the patches were.
mk89 10y ago
What a great piece of software! Congratulations!
chromify 10y ago
Nice! I want something simple to use though on my Chromebook - CrossOver Android looks cool but Droplet Computing looks cooler! http://www.dropletcom.com http://www.dropletcom.com
turboted 10y ago
Anyone able to use TurboTax successfully on Wine?
turbotronicks 10y ago
Anyone able to use TurboTax successfully in Wine?
- turbotronicks 10y ago
  Nevermind: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=623 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... It's apparently unusable. But the DRM comment made me question using TurboTax at all even on a Windows machine.
jdc0589 10y ago
my standard comment: "the wine team is comprised solely of sorcerers and wizards". I know its not, but sometimes Wine still seems like magic.
pvdebbe 10y ago
Wine has been good with the few Windows games that I play. (Dosbox with dos games is better, but it has been crashing way too often with certain titles.) Stuff works way better than in a VMWare box, games like Fallout, Jagged Alliance 2, GTA 3, VC, SA, even 4 at times, Fallout 3, New Vegas, Skyrim, Rise of Nations, most Needs for Speed. Whatever glitches I get in Bethesda games, I google about them and quickly find out the same issues happen in Windows environments as well. I also run many games that have native Linux ports in wine, because it handles sound better (pesky games these days presume I have a channel mixer set up)... like Faster Than Light.
- coldpie 10y ago
  Ha! Glad to hear it. I maintain the audio code in Wine :)

Wine 2.0 released

896 points by coldpie 10y ago

cridenour 10y ago

Excited to see Retina support in this release.

NotSteve 10y ago

Any hope of playing Overwatch with this?

akjainaj 10y ago
Generally you should consider yourself lucky if you can run any old game. Even games that sold dozens of millions of copies and were released ten years ago are full of glitches, such as the early GTA series.
- madez 10y ago
  You are downvoted because you are wrong. I have made very good experiences with wine.
  - akjainaj 10y ago
    I am glad to hear that. On the other hand, I have had disastrous experiences running games with Wine.
  - artursapek 10y ago
    How much of a performance hit have you seen when running games, compared to just running them in Windows on the same machine?
    - Diederich 10y ago
      In most cases, I can't notice a difference in performance.
      - artursapek 10y ago
        Great to hear, thanks. I'll have to try out Wine soon.
    - viraptor 10y ago
      Depends on the game. Some run better on Windows, some on Wine. You need to check for specific titles with this kind of question. I've seen multiple sources claiming that CoD2 and WoW run with better FPS on Wine for example.
      - artursapek 10y ago
        Wow, I never would have thought they could run better. I'm thinking of old titles, AoE II, Starcraft, etc. They have good ratings but I'm just wondering if it would be anywhere near as bad as when I used to run VMWare on my old Mac.
        teach 10y ago
        VMWare is an emulator. Wine is not an emulator.
        avisser 10y ago
        To be pedantic, VMWare is a virtual machine. It sure as hell doesn't emulate your x86 CPU.
        wtallis 10y ago
        VMWare has historically used emulation for kernel/privileged code when the host CPU doesn't allow for direct virtualization. VMWare also emulates peripheral hardware. Wine doesn't emulate any hardware.
        bigbugbag 10y ago
        Isn't vmware virtualization ? despite it's tongue in cheek retro-acronymic name, wine is indeed an emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_seems_to_be_disagreement https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_see... Also before it changed its name for the current retro acronym WINE used to mean WINdows Emulator: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
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    - EamonnMR 10y ago
      Critically, WINE outperforms VirtualBox, especially if you account for starting up (or the overhead of constantly running) a virtual windows machine. Being able to run a few apps without switching off your dual boot machine or firing up a vm is nice.
    - disconnected 10y ago
      Depends on the game. My experience is this: As a general rule, assume that there will always be a performance penalty. It will be good enough to be playable, but you'll notice the difference, and you'll have to adjust the graphics down one or two notches (go down from "Max" graphics settings to "Medium" or similar). If you can live with this, you're fine. Some games, in particular old games that don't rely much on 3D (I'm thinking of Age of Wonders right now), work really well, or well enough that you don't notice the difference. I have some games that are unplayable, but thankfully those are rare (or I am just lucky). X3, for example, is glitchy as hell and the performance is very bad. Some games are also inexplicably slow: there are some PopCap games (very casual and "lightweight" games) that are just unplayable, for some reason. However, with regards to being playable, I think that the graphical bugs will be the showstoppers, not performance.
    - TheCycoONE 10y ago
      On my laptop with an NVidia GTX 880m, under Windows 10 many DirectX 8 games run horrendously slow. Under wine these games run perfectly smooth as you would expect. It seems either Windows or NVIDIA did a lousy job of their DX8 compatibility.
- neilsimp1 10y ago
  For a lot of cases, I'm sure this is true. I have seen Starcraft II running in Wine smoothly and no issues though.
ronjouch 10y ago
AppDB is the canonical resource for this kind of question: https://appdb.winehq.org/ https://appdb.winehq.org/ -> Returns https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... , which says it's currently classified "Garbage" as of 2.0-rc2.
- NotSteve 10y ago
  Ah that's sad to see. Maybe someday
- floatboth 10y ago
  "crashes immediately upon launching" But there was a screenshot of the main menu on Wine! Maybe it was some experimental branch of Wine or something.
- aruggirello 10y ago
  BTW if you find you need multiple versions of Wine for better compatibility with different apps (and probably even if you don't), PlayOnLinux is also a great tool.
- aidenn0 10y ago
  In my experience, AppDB is mostly useless for answering this kind of question. It's right maybe 30-40% of the time with the rest being one of: 1) Says it doesn't work when it works fine on default settings 2) Says it works and I spend hours and hours messing with settings trying to get it to work before giving up. 3) Only reports a version of my application that is so out of date that I don't care. Granted I mostly use applications, not games, so perhaps it's better with games.
jononor 10y ago
In general, check the WineHQ appdb for how well (or not) something works. For Overwatch it is not looking good, https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio...
darkengine 10y ago
You can reach the title screen in master, but it looks like that code won't make it into a relase until 2.1. Even then, it's still not playable.
shmerl 10y ago
Some progress is happening for it: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-also-showing-progress-towards-overwatch-working-in-a-future-wine-version.8715 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-...

bandrami 10y ago

Cool. I have to admit I haven't thought about Wine in a while because I can't think of any software I use that doesn't have a Linux version. What are people's use-cases nowadays?

weberc2 10y ago
Anything in Adobe's Creative Suite.
- Andrex 10y ago
  Does Adobe's stuff run well? I'd switch to Linux in a heartbeat if Premiere Pro performed adequately.
  - some-guy 10y ago
    Can't speak for Premiere, but I have a really old copy of Photoshop (7.0) that I run on Wine and it has all of the features I need.
    - platz 10y ago
      As long as you're not trying to collaborate with anyone, I've come around to The Gimp a bit lately for basic image manipulation w/ layers.
      - Theodores 10y ago
        I did that for a while but then moved to doing things in command line imageMagick with 'eog' to see stuff. Then I moved to php imagick library as the command line tools were a bit 'high level' for what I needed to do. Naturally I also moved away from Adobe vector editing tools to Inkscape and then to using vim to edit svg files. Having discovered this 'convenient' way of working I am not enthused by the idea of installing some ppa to install Wine to install Adobe Creative Suite so I can get access to some version of Photoshop to then crack/hack it. Seems a lot of work to tweak the levels on an image.

dmerrick 10y ago

I've been using computers my whole life, and a lot of the magic has been explained away. Wine is a project that continues to astound me. Grats to the Wine team, this is great!

mrmondo 10y ago
Took the words out of my mouth. It's saved me from having to install complex or insecure VMs or additional machines so many times I can't count. I also enjoy using it to bundle applications usable on Linux and MacOS that otherwise were locked in to windows.
- duozerk 10y ago
  It's also a godsend for gaming on Linux. As long as you take a peek at the wine appdb page for the game you're trying to run beforehand, they usually work great and with pretty good performances. Though granted the games I play tend not to be cutting edge (but for example, Skyrim with a large texture pack and a full, heavy mod conversion such as Enderal works perfectly and with CSMT, with performances roughly equal to Windows).
  - bigbugbag 10y ago
    > It's also a godsend for windows gaming on Linux here FTFY.
    - Skunkleton 10y ago
      Are you implying that having access to Windows games on Linux does not improve gaming on Linux?
      - duozerk 10y ago
        I believe he's saying that gaming on Linux today goes far beyond Wine, given numerous high profile games have been ported to Linux recently (in a large part thanks to Unity and Valve's Steam OS push).

singularity2001 10y ago

Did anyone manage to navigate through the download jungle?

someguy101010 10y ago
if you're on linux wine is a package available in most distributions and you usually "sudo apt-get install wine" *you're
- bdcravens 10y ago
  Even available on Homebrew on OSX (doesn't yet have 2.0 final it appears)
  - apetresc 10y ago
    The pull request is up: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/9238 https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/9238 Should be merged within 24 hours or so.
- lnx01 10y ago
  True, provided your distro already has 2.0 -- otherwise if you do that now you're going to get an older version.
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excalibur 10y ago

> The main highlights are the support for Microsoft Office 2013, and the 64-bit support on macOS. This made me chuckle. Better late than never I suppose.

pmiller2 10y ago
A volunteer reverse engineering project being only 3 years behind a gigantic corporation is actually pretty impressive.
- rijoja 10y ago
  Very much so but there are some commercial companies that have been contributing to the project as well.
deepuj 10y ago
I havent used office in a many years now.. but I thought MS Office is now an online offering similar to Google Docs?
- amclennon 10y ago
  There's a "light" version available online, but you must be thinking about Office 365. Although the core product is still desktop based, they've been shifting to an optional subscription model where you pay $9/month or so for perpetual updates and 1tb of storage.
  - apatters 10y ago
    This model is great for me. It's very rare that I need to view or edit a document in an Office application but it does happen occasionally when the formatting is complex or something. Just install Office in a VM, pay $9 for 1 month of access, and unsub again when I'm done!
- reitanqild 10y ago
  Yes and no. The old installable still exists and many features only exists in that version. The offline version has also become a lot easier to install. The web app version is lacking in a number of ways and was buggy last I tried.

rijoja 10y ago

This brings me back to the early days of my Linux usage. I've always been fascinated by this project. My very nerdy dream has always been to try to contribute to it somehow. How hard is it to get in to the community?

littleweep 10y ago
The beauty is you can contribute in any way. If you're a web designer, you can help with their site. If you're a technical writer, you can help improve documentation. You don't need to contribute to the core codebase to contribute to the project at large.
- rijoja 10y ago
  Yeah really I would like to dive in at the deep end of the pool. But I've never had the time or the energy I suppose.
stuaxo 10y ago
Another non development way to contribute is on the appdb, testing compatibility - https://appdb.winehq.org/ https://appdb.winehq.org/
- zymhan 10y ago
  I used to test and submit reports to AppDB back in the day, it's quite satisfying to add to that corpus.
- bblough 10y ago
  Unless you run Debian stable (or probably any LTS distro), in which case they don't want your reports because "your software is too out of date". I find this attitude odd, because there are (at least) tens of thousands of wine installs under Debian alone. Surely the information is relevant and useful to people, even if the version is no longer officially supported. As a result, I've stopped wasting my time filing reports only to have them rejected.

geovani_filipp0 10y ago

This is excellent! I've been using this since it first came out! Kudos to the team!!!

doener 10y ago

I could't get my Windows 10 installation on my iMac to run the 2004 game Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines. Tried it with Crossover for Mac (Wine based) - and it worked.

partycoder 10y ago

I have a lot of respect for the WINE developers. It is a tremendous effort to implement an ABI to provide compatibility for a operating system such as Windows.

jesuslop 10y ago

Wine is a great project, and truly 'is not an emulator'. It takes the main win32 APIs and they are reimplemented natively by posix means, GDI, USER32, ADVAPI, and so on. Time ago I run an experiment to port Wine to windows and run a notepad.exe on top of X11. After that I managed to wrap ActiveX components inside GTK2 bonobo components served on windows to insert them into Linux GTK apps so you could have UI-bound network transparent middleware components, and it worked. Sadly de Icaza changed the arch later.

tzs 10y ago
> Wine is a great project, and truly 'is not an emulator'. The Wine is not an emulator thing has an interesting history. It originally was officially called an emulator. The change was largely due to essentially marketing. The first suggestion for the "Wine Is Not an Emulator" language was made in 1993, over concern that "Windows Emulator" might run into trademark problems with Microsoft. That suggestion was by Bob Amstadt [1] in a post where he also explained how the name "wine" came about. His original thought when he started the project was to name it "winemu", but didn't like that and shortened it to "wine", which led him to "whine" and "whinny". He liked "whine" but felt it was too long. As far as I can tell, nothing ever came of that 1993 post. By 1997, though, the "not an emulator" meaning was in use as an alternative. According to the Wine FAQ from late 1997 [2]: "The word Wine stands for one of two things: WINdows Emulator, or Wine Is Not an Emulator. Both are right. Use whichever one you like best". Calling Wine an emulator was dropped between releases 981108 and 981211. The 981108 release notes [3] say "This is release 981108 of Wine, the MS Windows emulator", and the 981211 release notes [4] say "This is release 981211 of Wine, a free implementation of Windows on Unix". The dropping of calling Wine an emulator appears to have taken place for two reasons. One was that Wine could be used for more than just running Windows binaries on Unix. It could also be used as a library that could be linked with Windows source that was compiled on Unix in order to make a stand-alone Unix binary of a Windows program. The other was that most users had only encountered emulators that emulated hardware (e.g., emulators that emulated old gaming systems or old 8-bit personal computers). Those emulators tended to be slow, which led most users to make the unjustified assumption that emulation necessarily implied slowness. If Wine was called an emulator many people would assume that programs running under Wine would be massively slower than those same programs running on a real Windows system. (I once had sources for the claims in this and the preceding paragraph but did not save them, and have not been able to rediscover them. They were probably posts in comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine in the late '90s if anyone with better search skills wants to have a go at it). [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.misc/_g3F2H4ieDc/1tN3XZODaYwJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.mis... [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/GOg6NAoNkg8/_jOvbogsh70J https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-wind... [3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/yYfTNV3Z2J0/fu4dtf_A2RcJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-wind... [4] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/tbMAhTg6GEs/tbBxEO4OtmEJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.emulators.ms-wind...

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acd 10y ago

Would Microsoft sell Winelibs or Windows for Linux now that there are Linux for Windows?

ravenstine 10y ago
That's actually a pretty neat idea. I'd much rather be running Windows on Linux than Linux on Windows. Too bad they'll never do it.
my123 10y ago
SQL Server basically uses Drawbridge, which is an NT kernel in userspace. They did it, but I doubt that they'll sell it.

Cacti 10y ago

What is the technical use case for Wine these days? Are we basically talking running certain Windows applications on Linux, at reasonable framerates, using hardware that doesn't support full virtualization pass-through? In other words, if you've got virtualization support, and pcie pass-through support, why not just run this stuff through a Windows VM?

panic 10y ago
I've used Wine on macOS to play indie games (typically 2D GameMaker games). It's way easier than booting up a VM.
thyrsus 10y ago
The license is LGPL, somewhat different than Microsoft's.
- Cacti 10y ago
  That's why I specified technical reasons.
shmerl 10y ago
> What is the technical use case for Wine these days? Gaming on Linux using Windows games is a widely common use case. Wine works very well for most DX9 games already, but DX11 support is still quite WIP. > if you've got virtualization support, and pcie pass-through support, why not just run this stuff through a Windows VM? Because you don't want to run Windows? There can be multiple reasons for the later.
- gpderetta 10y ago
  I remember many years ago you at best had a chance to get opengl games working under wine; getting anything directX working was a pipe dream. Today most DirecX 9 games work flawlessly out of the box (including one click install from steam, also running under wine).
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shmerl 10y ago

Kudos to Wine developers for their work. Hopefully in 2017 Wine will catch up with DX11 support to make games like The Witcher 3 playable on Linux.

berry_sortoro 10y ago

Can someone explain the DX10 + 11 added features to me? Does this mean DX 10/11 games will run in wine now or soon? As others are talking about games. I was never really satisfied with the experience. Many games used to need a lot of tweaking, many did and do not really run well. As a true gamer who plays new games I hope for the day to send fucking windows to hell but so far I need my dual boot for gaming. Hopefully Vulkan and native linux games rise even faster. So far M$ monopoly still has the devs by the balls. There are more DX12 games then vulkan games and Vulkan does not mean linux.

ww520 10y ago

This is perfect for gaming VM. Installing Windows in a VM requires an extra license. With Wine, I can install Linux in a VM and install Wine in it to run Windows games. Anything blows up in the VM can be rolled back.

striking 10y ago
Are you sure that's going to work? I don't think you'll be able to take full advantage of your graphics hardware that way. (Last I checked, Virtualbox and friends refused to allocate more than 256MB of VRAM... so I could play Duck Game and no more.)
- purplerabbit 10y ago
  Good question. I was thinking it'd be fun to benchmark an application running on Windows vs. that same application running on Wine running in the Ubuntu Userspace in Windows. I'd have to guess it'd be at least a few times slower.
  - nerflad 10y ago
    That would make since, considering the overhead involved in translating the syscalls twice. It would be really interesting to see if/how the native Windows syscalls differed from the ones coming out of the Wine->WSL pipeline.
- ww520 10y ago
  Not the latest games that stress the hardware. Mainly the games I download from the web that I don't trust to run outside of a sandbox.
pvdebbe 10y ago
Maintaining several wineprefixes is trivial too. The wineprefix describes where wine installs the "drive_c" and other stuff. So essentially it's the "chroot" of wine. It's of course more secure to do so in a VM but I run several wineprefixes locally for convenience.

woodandsteel 10y ago

My favorite Wine comment over the years: "But does it run Cygwin?"

yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
And can the resulting... setup... be run on NT? :)
namtrac 10y ago
Well yes it does: https://wiki.winehq.org/Cygwin_and_More https://wiki.winehq.org/Cygwin_and_More

andersonmvd 10y ago

Wine saved my day to play my (Steam) games on Linux. It's not the same performance on Windows and there are many opportunities to improve, but just being able to play it's amazing.

orionblastar 10y ago

Remember that ReactOS shares code with Wine. Which means when ReactOS uses the code from Wine 2.0 it should be able to run more Windows apps.

projektfu 10y ago

A few years ago I was working on ReactOS and I found a bug in the list view control. After working hard on a patch, I submitted it and heard nothing about it. Have community relations improved since then?

coldpie 10y ago
I'm sorry to hear that. In order to avoid regressions, we have pretty rigorous requirements for patch submissions. Unfortunately this can result in dropped patches, especially in subsystems that no one in particular feels responsible for. We are trying to improve this, and we now ship a MAINTAINERS file that will hopefully help with this, and are also actively spreading patch review responsibilities around. I don't think we're significantly worse than most OSS projects, but that doesn't mean we can't improve. In terms of getting a patch accepted, your best move is to include tests that prove your change is correct. Explaining how your change fixes an application will also help.
- projektfu 10y ago
  I did those things back then, but there just wasn't anyone listening on the other end.
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gravypod 10y ago

I have been wondering something for a long time. Why do some programs work better on specific versions of wine? I think that's what makes me feel iffy about the entire project. I know it's amazing work but I just don't get why that would happen.

coldpie 10y ago
We're rewriting an entire operating system. We have a pretty amazing regression test suite, but it's simply impossible to test everything all the time. Sometimes a change breaks something and it slips through the tests. If you find something that used to work and no longer does, please file a bug. We take regressions seriously; we even have a page dedicated specifically to tracking them: http://source.winehq.org/regressions http://source.winehq.org/regressions

dboreham 10y ago

I still recall a fresh intern arriving in my office grinning and breathless one day, talking about Wine. We discussed it a little and I told him "it'll take a while before it achieves usable compatibility with major Windows applications". This was in 1993.

ant6n 10y ago
It probably achieved compatibility with major Windows applications from 1993 some time ago.

pkrumins 10y ago

It's time to celebrate! https://comic.browserling.com/tux-party.png https://comic.browserling.com/tux-party.png

z3roblock 10y ago

I've been waiting so long ! Good work Wine team.

z3roblock 10y ago

Ive been waiting for so long!

grovegames 10y ago

Will this be able to run Photoshop CC? I am desperately trying to move most of the production pipeline to linux, but Photoshop CC is the one product I can't seem to replace. I've mitigated part of this with 3D-Coat, but if I could have a native Photoshop CC on linux, it would be close to perfect.

deviantfero 10y ago
I have photoshop CS6 working perfectly fine, just look around for a custom installer that doesn`t connect to the internet, you should find it in any pirate site
- grovegames 10y ago
  I'm using the professionally, so legally is important. But thanks for the suggestion.

transposed 10y ago

Though I've made the switch from Windows to Linux, I have not used Wine. Maybe it's time? What main things work and don't work?

bedros 10y ago

any luck with lightroom 6.0 on linux with this release?

mukundmr 10y ago

I use Wine to run the 64bit Windows client of GuildWars2 on my iMac. It is more stable than the current GuildWars2 Mac client. Graphics performance isn't upto par, but I need stability more for events and dungeons. ArenaNet is still building a proper Mac client after Transgaming was taking over by NVidia.

bartvk 10y ago

The biggest commercial contributor to Wine is CodeWeavers: https://www.codeweavers.com/ https://www.codeweavers.com/ Fantastic and very sympathetic small company which offers a next-next-finish installation of Wine. Excellent if you run a Linux desktop in a corporate environment that expects the ability to run Windows stuff.

mdewinter 10y ago
Office 2010 and with the latest version Office 2013 work flawlessly with Crossover on Linux (and Mac): https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Office_2013_and_2010_on_Linux.html https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Office_2013_and_2010_on_Linux... The support of codeweavers is very good and fast as well, the two times I had to contact them. The bottle system is amazing. It allows you to have multiple wine environments with different Windows versions seperated, so not just one Wine for all. Office 2003 runs on Windows XP, 2013 on a Vista env. The bottles can be exported to RPM or DEB or shell installer for easy deployment as well. Plus the easy online database with appliations and profiles makes Crossover, for me at least, have a big advantage over bare Wine.
- Master0010 10y ago
  What is the big difference comparing with PlayOnLinux?
  - baldfat 10y ago
    PlayOnLinux is a community application using WINE and with CrossOver you get full time employees working on the latest issues on Wine and first releasing their fixes into the application. They then turn the code over to WINE downstream. So when you help CrossOver you financially help WINE and a person who will help you with your problem within 24 hours. Also CrossOver gives you their bottle system and a great website to get your stuff working.
- bisby 10y ago
  As far as I know, the "bottle" system is available in standard wine too (as wine prefixes), Codeweavers just provides a very fancy wrapper for the system and tools for managing the bottles. And that is definitely very handy if you want things to "just work" and dont want to fuss with prefixes yourself.

chphipps 10y ago

Wine is a great project. This brings me back to the early days of Linux!

ComodoHacker 10y ago

>- The Gecko engine is updated to the version from Firefox 47. What is it used for?

majewsky 10y ago
Some Windows programs use the Internet Explorer API to display local HTML content or to provide an in-app browser. Gecko is used by the part of Wine that provides this API.
ccozan 10y ago
Think of embedded webviews in some applications. On real Windows, you use the activeX webview component, on wine you get gecko. Please correct me if I am wrong.

jpeeler 10y ago

I remember years ago (5?) Google was releasing Picasa for Linux, except the binaries were for Windows. Google had chosen to distribute it alongside a bundled Wine installer! Aside from the general distaste in bundling things, I was always impressed with how well Wine handled running applications. Otherwise, surely such a decision wouldn't have been made. If I'm not mistaken Google also contributed patches to make Wine work better, but I don't know how critical the patches were.

mk89 10y ago

What a great piece of software! Congratulations!

chromify 10y ago

Nice! I want something simple to use though on my Chromebook - CrossOver Android looks cool but Droplet Computing looks cooler! http://www.dropletcom.com http://www.dropletcom.com

turboted 10y ago

Anyone able to use TurboTax successfully on Wine?

turbotronicks 10y ago

Anyone able to use TurboTax successfully in Wine?

turbotronicks 10y ago
Nevermind: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=623 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... It's apparently unusable. But the DRM comment made me question using TurboTax at all even on a Windows machine.

jdc0589 10y ago

my standard comment: "the wine team is comprised solely of sorcerers and wizards". I know its not, but sometimes Wine still seems like magic.

pvdebbe 10y ago

Wine has been good with the few Windows games that I play. (Dosbox with dos games is better, but it has been crashing way too often with certain titles.) Stuff works way better than in a VMWare box, games like Fallout, Jagged Alliance 2, GTA 3, VC, SA, even 4 at times, Fallout 3, New Vegas, Skyrim, Rise of Nations, most Needs for Speed. Whatever glitches I get in Bethesda games, I google about them and quickly find out the same issues happen in Windows environments as well. I also run many games that have native Linux ports in wine, because it handles sound better (pesky games these days presume I have a channel mixer set up)... like Faster Than Light.

coldpie 10y ago
Ha! Glad to hear it. I maintain the audio code in Wine :)