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TB2->FW + TB3->TB2 in theory. http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD464LL/A/apple-thunderbolt-to-firewire-adapter http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD464LL/A/appl

• stuckagain 10y ago
  Exactly the chain of adapters that beat was complaining of.
  • an_account 10y ago
    FireWire has been dead for years, it's time for an upgrade.
    • beat 10y ago
      Firewire is very much alive in my house. Why is it "dead"? Why do I have to upgrade?
      • bluejekyll 10y ago
        You don't have to upgrade. Don't upgrade... but if you do, there are adapters for you that will allow you to continue using your old gear.
        • beat 10y ago
          It's not just hardware. Apple has officially abandoned Firewire protocol maintenance. We're okay at the moment, but how many more MacOS upgrades will we have where Firewire still works? And I'm not an outlier case. There are a lot of audio professionals and semi-pros that depend on old Firewire interfaces. These were Apple's market for selling high-end laptops! This is basically just disregard for your oldest and frankly most profitable customers. If I didn't feel like a new MBP would actually be sacrificing functionality, I'd probably have upgraded already. Instead, I'm considering a platform switch. That's bad.
          • dkonofalski 10y ago
            They clearly are not Apple's most profitable customers if they're abandoning the tech. If they were Apple's most profitable customers, you'd see Firewire on everything.
            • dkonofalski 10y ago
              I should clarify that I meant that Apple is abandoning the tech, not the customers.
          • guitarbill 10y ago
            out of interest, which platform still has better firewire support? most windows laptops don't have them either. btw, as someone who didn't use firewire, i hated that port. waste of space, could have used an extra usb port instead. and it wasn't like there was a lot of gear that used it, unlike e.g. ethernet or vga which sometimes came in handy (i also loath vga).
            • srssays 10y ago
              In the beginning, USB1 was no competition for Firewire. 12Mbps vs 400Mbps. USB2 was more competitive, but Firewire stuck around due to its lower latency for audio applications.
          • threeseed 10y ago
            FireWire is a EOL technology at this point so why would they be continuing to work on the protocol ? And actually you aren't Apple's most profitable customer since you are still clamouring for old technologies. It's early adopters that upgrade every year that are the most valuable to Apple.
      • threeseed 10y ago
        You could replace FireWire in that sentence with LaserDiscs, BetaMax etc. Fact is some technologies just don't take off enough to warrant long term support.
  • muninn_ 10y ago
    We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that can do all those things and do them just as well, is a far preferable alternative. Couple that with the future transition to wireless-only technology, and we're on our way to the future.
    • stuckagain 10y ago
      As soon as someone invents an isochronous wireless interface with guaranteed throughput and latency, I'm sure all the recording studios will switch to that.
      • muninn_ 10y ago
        Buy a desktop or a special interface port if you need something specialized.
        • avn2109 10y ago
          His point is that fundamental physics and information theory limit how good a wireless link can be. So wired links will always perform better and therefore high-end audio engineering will run cables forever.
          • beat 10y ago
            Technically, you could create an isosynchronous wireless protocol. But 802.11 ain't it, and neither is Bluetooth. Both are very tolerant of lag and have little guarantee of latency.
        • cwyers 10y ago
          "Buy a desktop" in a thread about deficiencies in Apple laptops is a joke, right?