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I'm guessing these aren't really consumer drives. :( Might as well ask here. My 2TB Plex hard drive is getting full. What's the best solution if I want say 10T
by sergiotapia 10y ago
I'm guessing these aren't really consumer drives. :(
Might as well ask here. My 2TB Plex hard drive is getting full. What's the best solution if I want say 10TB to store my media for Plex but very hands off?
I don't want to weld any contraption just plug something in and have it be visible by Windows 10.
- chrisper 10y agoYou will need some kind of NAS, I suppose, or you can use something like stablebit drivepool.
- tachion 10y agoGet yourself Avoton motherboard, buy as many WD Green/Red drives that have best cost/space ratio as your chosen enclosure and budget can handle, install FreeNAS, enjoy ;)
- clinta 10y agoIf you're going to put WD Greens in a FreeNAS, run wdidle to increase or disable the idle spin down timer in the drive first.
- s4vi0r 10y agoHow commonly do WD Greens actually fail? I'm either strangely lucky, or the whole unreliable WD Greens thing is way overblown because I've been using three 1TB ones without incident for 5 years now..
- tachion 10y agoIt's actually hard to say. You might be very lucky, someone else might be very unlucky. Generally, RAID was 'invented' to operate on cheap, commodity hardware, where the failure rate might be high. When it comes to data, most reliable one you can find (mostly due to its probe size and lack of competitive reports of similar size) are Backblaze's drives reliability reports.
- MrBuddyCasino 10y agoExactly, thats why I switched to HGST. They really seem to be a cut above the rest.
- Nadya 10y agoI've exclusively purchased WD drives - and most of them are green. I have ten 2TB drives and two 5TB drives. 0 failures. However from the IRC channels I frequent - many people have had one or two die over the years. So I consider myself lucky.
- qplex 10y agoI had a 1TB WD Green drive that failed. Also had another failure with 320GB USB WD Passport. Probably just bad luck, but I don't feel like buying another WD drive.
- jlarocco 10y agoThe spec in TFA shows a SATA version, so these should work just fine with any desktop system.
- sergiotapia 10y agoWhen I say consumer, I mean price-wise. Sure there may be a 200TB drive but if it costs $20,000 it's not really aimed at general consumers.
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- minikites 10y agoI've heard good things about Synology NASes.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago+1. No maintenance/admin required, syncs with S3 or Dropbox.
- mikestew 10y agoYou've heard correctly. If asked to name just one thing I don't like about my DS410, I'd be at a loss to do so. I guess maybe it's too appliance-like and therefore I don't get to fiddle with it much. Now, back to dreaming about slapping four 12Tb drives in that thing...
- toomuchtodo 10y agoI tremble at the thought of trying to backup 48TB of data. The only reason I'd have a local NAS carry that much data in my home would be as a cache backed by something like Backblaze's B2 storage service.
- dom0 10y agoTape is your friend. Get a library / autoloader, though, don't want to juggle that many tapes all the time... also, with tape the option of deduplicated backups goes out the window, at least with open source software.
- ChuckMcM 10y agoI've got a FreeNAS system built by iXSystems. It works well. But a NAS system is more expensive than a single drive. The FreeNAS box replaced a NetApp StoreVault unit. Generally I've gone to a archive first strategy for recovery though. I didn't want to buy a tape drive to back it up (10TB usable after dual parity protection), so I write media as I get it to BD-R's and put them on the NAS box for accessibility. I also backup individual projects on their own DVD-R or BD-R. That negatively impacts 'time to reconstruct' because each source will have to be located, loaded, then verified. But it essentially means nothing on the NAS box isn't already available on shelf-stable read only media. It also means the option for recovering from a ransomware attack is to re-format and re-load. The challenge is maintaining the discipline of making the restore media first.
- walterbell 10y agoWould ZFS snapshots protect against ransomware?
- dom0 10y agoOn the client? Sure, as long at it doesn't grow a brain and starts to SSH into the storage and wipe that clean, too. On the storage? Nope. Get backups.
- petedoyle 10y agoYes, absolutely. ZFS snapshots are immutable, such that once a snapshot is created nothing can change it (until to destroy the snapshot). Not designed to help with ransomware, but is a perfect use case they'd protect against. (You also want backups, of course). Edit: I guess I'm assuming the ransomware doesn't have access to the raw disks, which would be true if you were using a NAS (e.g. FreeNAS) and connecting to it via NFS, CIFS, etc.
- walterbell 10y agoCorrect, no access to FreeNAS via ssh. Ransomware would have to find a vulnerability in a service exposed by FreeBSD / FreeNAS.
- fnord123 10y ago>Might as well ask here. My 2TB Plex hard drive is getting full. What's the best solution if I want say 10TB to store my media for Plex but very hands off? You probably need a NAS. To store 10TB securely you are looking at a bill of materials of about ~1200usd. This includes a NAS from synology and 3 6TD Western Digital Red drives. This will give you 12TB of storage space running in a RAID5 configuration. Synology DS416 NAS diskless: 365USD WD Red 6TB: 253USD (x3) Total: 1124 For a little more you could pick up a HP Microserver for just under 400USD and run ZFS on a pool with SMBD and get about the same results but with more hands on fun. Alternatively, just aim your requirements a bit lower (e.g. only 6TB) and pick up a 2 disk nas and 2 drives running as a mirror and it will be much cheaper (~700-800USD). Resources: http://www.raid-calculator.com/default.aspx http://www.raid-calculator.com/default.aspx
- MattSteelblade 10y agoDon't run 12TB of data with consumer hardware in a RAID5. If you have the money stick with RAID 1, 10, maybe 6 or even JBOD.
- anigbrowl 10y agoYEah, for servers - but in 2-3 years you'll be able to pop one into your workstation, for sure. MYself, I'm still recovering from the surprise a few months ago when my wife mentioned we should update our backups and dropped a 5tb external drive on my desk - I hadn't bought a hard drive for a few years and didn't even know consumer drives had hit such capacities. So my advice is forget about it for now and then be surprised when you stumble across a 20tb drive at the bottom of your cereal box in the not-too-distant.
- joshmn 10y agoI love my Synology rack.
- winter_blue 10y agoI've found that a ZFS cluster is the best solution for your kind of problem. ZFS has its own awesome software RAID system. You could get six 3TB drives, use two of those drives for redundancy with RAID-Z2, and then get 12TB of ultra-reliable private storage.
- ak217 10y agoWalmart currently has a decent 6TB drive on sale for $160: https://www.walmart.com/ip/48735757 https://www.walmart.com/ip/48735757 Put 3 or 4 of these in a Synology enclosure or attach directly in a uATX case. I use btrfs "raid1" which protects against any one drive failing and has filesystem-level checksums and compression, but people also say good things about ZFS in a similar mode. Just use either one of those with scrubbing.
- SwellJoe 10y agoWalmart currently has a decent 6TB drive on sale for $160 This would have sounded like science fiction to 12 year old me. Still kinda sounds ridiculous.
- aperrien 10y agoAn eon ago, when I was 14, I found out about Moore's Law and computers. I remember writing a Basic program on an Apple II to calculate the results for different years in the future. I boggled at the numbers that came out for these decades, and I am still amazed that it's all kept pace, more or less. I should see if I still have the program somewhere in storage.
- gnopgnip 10y agoIs this data that you could redownload easily enough if the drive, or raid was lost? A plex server full of movies is generally going to go into this category. If so get multiple 4-5tb drives as these will be the cheapest per gb. You could buy a 5tb one now, and then when you are running low on space add another drive. Eventually it will be worth upgrading the whole system because of power savings and better performance. A raid configuration is going to be more expensive per gb than just having a few drives Is the data very expensive to replace or one of a kind? Photographs and home movies would fall into this category. First you should have a backup. Crashplan and backblaze are good options for consumers. On a smaller scale cloud based backups like google drive or dropbox work for this. These will protect you not just hardware failure but malware like cryptolocker, accidental deletion, and total computer failure. If you have a large amount of data like professional photography or video production a NAS with RAID 6 is advised. You can lose 2 drives without losing any data, but you lose 2 drives of usable space for parity, and you have to deal with the overhead of setting it up.
- rogerdpack 10y agofor images/home movies I use google photos...for the free aspect that is :)
- bane 10y ago8TB USB drives are ~$200 these days. Just pick up a couple and tell plex where the media is. I've built up ~30TB in odd drives here and there and available to plex and ubooquity and it's just about pain free to manage. Not high perf, but my entire family can stream off of it fine so that's about all I care about.
- e12e 10y agoIf you're just storing media (no total disaster if the disk dies), I'd go with an 8TB drive in a usb3.1 enclosure or something similar. You can get two, and mirror them with some form of software raid, or backup one to the other. Eg something like: https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STEB8000100/dp/B01HAPGEIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1481360401&sr=1-1&keywords=8tb+usb+3 https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-ST... Or something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-Bay-Dock-2-5-SATA/dp/B0078H8L04/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1481360401&sr=1-6&keywords=8tb+usb+3 https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-Bay-Dock-2-5-SATA/dp/B0078... With a couple of: https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Ironwolf-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST8000VN0022/dp/B01M1BUBSO/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1481360521&sr=1-6&keywords=8tb+sata https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Ironwolf-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST... (Note that 8 and 6 are ~equal/gb, the 10tb version is at a bit of a premium). Benefit of these docks is it's easy to just have a "backup" disk that you drop in from time to time and sync to, and then you can keep that drive in a fireproof box, or off-site. The down side is that I'm sure the odds of physical drive failure goes up when it's so easy to move the drives around all the time... If you want "high performance", it's going to be a bit more expensive -- I'd try and pick up a cheap HP Gen8 mini server[1] or something similar from Dell - anything that supports ECC ram and a few 3.5 drives. Install a ~512GB SSD, and set up freeNas/openSolaris/Ubuntu with zfs for linux - and use the disks in mirroring or raidz, with journaling on the ssd. I've yet to build one myself, but it's what I've been mulling over lately. In the short term 6 tb drives might be a bit more affordable, but I'd probably prefer 2x8tb in mirror right now (to be expanded as 10tb drives comes out or with two more 8tb drives as prices come down a bit) - rather than some kind of parity-based raid setup with 3+ 6tb drives. This still leaves the issue of backup of that 8-16tb of data though. It might very well be that two 8tb usb 3.1 drives are better - one for "data" one for "backup" with the option of keeping the "backup" drive in a different physical location (say, the office) -- to avoid a single fire eating both drives. [1] https://www.hpe.com/us/en/product-catalog/servers/proliant-servers/pip.hpe-proliant-microserver-gen8-server.5379860.html https://www.hpe.com/us/en/product-catalog/servers/proliant-s... I've seen a series of these being sold off cheap (not sure if it's as a campaign, or as new models are phased in) - and I've basically seen then at ~the price of a "dedicated" nas cabinet for devices with 8gb of ecc ram and no disks.
- Renaud 10y agoA few years ago, I splurgled for an 8-bay Synology NAS and never regretted it. It has been rock solid for the past 5 years, all drives in RAID6 I had some drive failures at some point (a bad WD batch) and even though I messed up and removed the wrong drive at some point, was able to get everything back. Normal drive replacement is painless (barring stupid human syndrome). It has Plex built-in and loads of other apps. I use it to automatically get a full and synched version of my dropbox account, it does my automated torrent download for me, and a host of other ready to use functions. Has data dcrubbing, drive health monitoring etc, with email notifications.