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Oracle buys Dyn

229 points by tribaal 10y ago

talideon 10y ago
I don't see this as a good thing at all. Dyn themselves are a good enough company, but Oracle's culture could easily leach in.
- mnw21cam 10y ago
  Indeed. My first reaction was "Oh <insert swear word of choice>, there go my domains".
JustSomeNobody 10y ago
I wonder how soon we'll see those "preeminent" brands jump.
- piran 10y ago
  I'm sure brands won't change. Dyn has too much of a market share for Oracle to rebrand dyn. Oracle has followed this same strategy with other acquisitions.
  - nailer 10y ago
    They got rid of Sun pretty quickly - and while they didn't have the market share at the time they did have a better reputation than Oracle did.
    - piran 10y ago
      Sun is always the goto example for bad things haha. I should of said recent acquisitions.
    - rayvd 10y ago
      Good reputation, but they were already seen as a sinking ship, IMO.
  - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
    On the linked page they talk about the brands (Netflix, etc) that are using Dyn. Those are the ones I meant. I wonder if Oracle will be seen as a good thing or a bad thing to these companies.
Spooky23 10y ago
Expect more of this stuff ahead. These big companies have so much money sitting around doing nothing.
themgt 10y ago
Oracle is currently reviewing the existing Dyn product roadmap and will be providing guidance to customers in accordance with Oracle's standard product communication policies. Any resulting features and timing of release of such features as determined by Oracle's review of Dyn' product roadmap are at the sole discretion of Oracle. Sounds promising!
- pieter1976 10y ago
  I assume that was sarcasm, right?
- unixhero 10y ago
  A bright future ahead for all customers! *snark intended
- kps 10y ago
  “Jump! Jump now!” — Kosh Naranek
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Indeed. I probably would have picked Cantrill for the quote myself, but I have absolutely no subtlety.
linuxlizard 10y ago
I'm now looking for recommendations for another DNS provider. USA or Europe preferred. Anyone have any?
- alex_hitchins 10y ago
  I too am looking for alternatives. I moved to Dyn from ZoneEdit, I may look to go back. Has anyone favourable experience with Route53?
  - module0000 10y ago
    > Has anyone favourable experience with Route53? Yes, using it commercially(for work) and for personal domains. The pricing is incredibly low, and I haven't had an outage/hiccup since it launched.
    - alex_hitchins 10y ago
      Thanks, I might give this a go with a 'spare' domain to investigate it more.
  - jlgaddis 10y ago
    Ugh, I definitely wouldn't recommend going back to ZoneEdit (now "easyDNS").
    - alex_hitchins 10y ago
      I didn't know they were bought out as well. Many years ago I ran my own DNS, perhaps I should look at doing it again.
- raesene6 10y ago
  FWIW I like dnsimple . I've got domains on both services and I'll be moving my last stuff off dyn and onto dnsimple after this, no desire to be a customer of Oracle's.
- XorNot 10y ago
gbrown_ 10y ago
2016 keeps on delivering.
- helthanatos 10y ago
  Who are they going to sue now?
  - astrodust 10y ago
    The internet. On a more serious note, does Dyn perhaps have any interesting patents?
scarmig 10y ago
Bye, Dyn. It was nice while it lasted, but I think it's time for both of us to move on.
Mojah 10y ago
For everyone currently rushing to move their DNS records away from Dyn to alternative providers; don't panic. Moving your DNS isn't hard, but is basically a hit-or-miss: it either works or it doesn't. I'm working on a tool to help monitor DNS changes that can help in migration scenario's by letting you know if any unwanted DNS records have changed. I'm looking for any feedback you may have, you can sign up for the beta here: https://dnsspy.io/ https://dnsspy.io/ (Ps; it seems shameless to plug a new service in a thread where a company just got bought, but I truly believe it can help ease the migration pain some may be feeling. Feel free to downvote if it makes no sense here or if it's just too blunt. Apologies, in that case.)
- scarmig 10y ago
  Note that signing up puts you on a waitlist and doesn't, immediately at least, get you onto the beta.
  - Mojah 10y ago
    True, I should've clarified that. Those who've joined the beta waiting list (by entering their e-mail address on the homepage) should get in within days. But I also don't want to rush things and break functionality, so I'm still being careful here.
    - scarmig 10y ago
      I actually appreciate the structured scaling and it's probably a good choice. Seems like a useful service, for sure!
- godzillabrennus 10y ago
  DYN did a lot more than just Authoritative DNS. They did monitoring that then would facilitate a failover to different hosting environments, creating a quick active active or active passive failover depending on your configuration. They offered this with a complete web GUI that had permission controls that were granular so newer techs or less technical employees could login and manage just a single record or series of records. Not to mention their solutions are very fast. I'm not aware of any other dns host that does all of this.
makmanalp 10y ago
Not really a fan of oracle at all, but I have to congratulate the Dyn folks for how far they came from a dormroom server at WPI. I had the pleasure of spending a short summer internship there, and it was a formative experience. They had not only great engineering but also some of the most impressive sysadmin / ops people I've known. Especially the network stuff is a dying art these days.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  What is WPI?
  - JonFish85 10y ago
    Guessing "Worcester Polytechnic Institute".
  - lstamour 10y ago
    https://web.wpi.edu/offices/cei/hitchcock.html https://web.wpi.edu/offices/cei/hitchcock.html
  - makmanalp 10y ago
    A tiny engineering school in Massachusetts. I'll spare you the marketing-heavy website, but It's an awesome place with a small-town feel, where nerdy pursuits are encouraged and helped to flourish into professions and businesses.
    - bogomipz 10y ago
      Oh sure, the acronym through me. Thanks.
  - lwhalen 10y ago
    "We Produce Idiots" Source: went there in the early aughts, loved it (the teachers, the environment, the people... not so much the administration)
    - 10y ago
alyandon 10y ago
Any idea what happens to those of us that have legacy lifetime accounts for supporting Dyn in the early days?
- godzillabrennus 10y ago
  If Oracle rebrands the tech they'll likely tell you the DYN products are being abandoned and you need to start paying for the new oracle branded stuff. Time to switch if you care about your service.
- ProAm 10y ago
  It's not your lifetime it's theirs and Dyn just got put into hospice.
scolson 10y ago
How long until I get screwed on my old lifetime custom zone
- tracker1 10y ago
  If you have domains.google as your registrar, they include google's dns, which has been very nice, it does support dynamic usage as well.
squozzer 10y ago
The timimg of the acquisition with Dyn's recent DDOS has me feeling even more paranoid than usual.
- bsimpson 10y ago
  That's a great DNS service you've got there; be a shame if someone were to DOS it.
- nikanj 10y ago
  "Huh, looks like the world really depends on this service. Probably means we can charge $oracle_moneys for it. Better send them an offer."
mrweasel 10y ago
Does Oracle know that people expect that everything Oracle touches will turn into garbage? I mean Oracles image is absolutely terrible among everyone but a small subsection of large companies. Arguably it doesn't seem to matter, Oracle isn't going out of business any time soon, but I can't imaging that their brand isn't suffering to some extend.
- scarmig 10y ago
  Somewhat recently underwent an acquisition by Oracle. A very few meager retention bonuses were given out (on the order of 5% of engineers). An immediate exodus of most of the engineers, including those offered retention bonuses, began. It seems counterproductive, but the trick was this: Oracle gained ownership of our contracts with other companies. Now, you might say, how the hell are you going to keep our products running if everyone who knows anything about them has left and they're all falling apart? The answer is: this is upside for Oracle, not downside. They're big enough that they can ream customers by forcing them to pay for overpriced consultants to fix the problems Oracle itself caused.
  - mrweasel 10y ago
    But aren't the customers going to leave Oracle in the long run? I'm not saying it's not working, because Oracle is clearly doing fine. It just seems rather short term, and really unethical.
    - bluedino 10y ago
      >> But aren't the customers going to leave Oracle in the long run? Maybe. Some of them won't/can't switch. The goal is you buy a services company for $X with Y customers spending $Z per year. Doesn't take long for Y * $Z to be much greater than $X and you just string the customers along until they leave.
    - cbhl 10y ago
      The trick is to acquire services where the data is valuable AND hard to export (think Student Information Systems or other enterprise software) -- so in the short term it's cheaper for the client to pay for consultant than to pay for migrating the data to an alternative.
qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Well, this will no doubt go well. I'm so excited to see what ...improvements... oracle will make to the Dyn product line. I mean, just look at all the exciting ...improvements... they made at Sun, and all of the other (too many to name) companies they bought out!
- zzzzzzzzzman 10y ago
  As an employee of Oracle that sells Sun stuff, it really isn't all that bad :) But we are all lol'ing at the parallels here. A number of our colleagues went to work for Dyn recently, too haha...
  - notacoward 10y ago
    How do they feel about this? Are they laughing like you are?
    - zzzzzzzzzman 10y ago
      They are laughing yes, I don't want to speak for everyone at Dyn, but the people I know are laughing at how hard it is to escape Big Red!
  - randylahey 10y ago
    > isn't all that bad So, how would you characterize it? Somewhat bad? Doesn't it bother you to work somewhere so universally reviled?
    - zzzzzzzzzman 10y ago
      I would say that we all have become numb to the negative aspects of this job, which as you can imagine, usually include: 1) (rightfully) angry customers 2) painfully arbitrary and illogical corporate procedures 3) any sort of purpose or mission that our products fulfill Speaking for myself, I think it's very important to realize that this job is one of the best in town, is still decently well paid, and allows you the down time required to work on "real" projects. The ones who were capable of leaving have left. The rest of us are waiting.
tw04 10y ago
I'm curious - does anyone know if Dyn uses Oracle databases on the backend? Oracle seems to making a land grab for any *aaS provider that's using their DBs. Presumably because they realize their DB business is quickly being eaten by cloud providers and people sick of their "audits" (read: extortion tactics).
- tyingq 10y ago
  Their job postings ask for this: "Knowledge of databases such as PostgreSQL, MySQL, Cassandra, RDS, DynamoDB"
- toyg 10y ago
  They tend to buy what their customers use, not necessarily their own clients. They probably identified DYN as a common provider among a subset of their customers and thought it would make for a good acquisition.
- technion 10y ago
  Well I know Comodo does. I know this because if you enter any invalid data at a purchasing screen, you get Oracle error codes presented right on your screen. Last tested a year ago.
themihai 10y ago
I bet the first change'll be to replace the pricing page with a contact form/quote so that you can talk with a sales manager about your "enterprise" requirements. Not very exciting for start-ups.
- gregmac 10y ago
  Yep. It's funny, because it makes sense short-term. Why bother with the headaches of little startups when you can have a single "enterprise" customer paying as much as dozens or hundreds of them? It's easier to provide service to a a few hundred big customers than hundreds of thousands of little ones. Of course, then someone sees the gap, and provides service to all those little startups, and grows from there. Until they get purchased by a big "enterprise" company and the cycle repeats. I bet anyone competing with Dyn right now is pretty happy with this news.
bogomipz 10y ago
Can anyone speculate on why this made sense to Oracle? Would it be to complement Oracle Cloud?
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  You don't understand: in order for Oracle to acquire it, it doesn't have to make sense: it just has to make money.
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    LOL, that was honestly my initial conclusion but I thought I was being too blunt.
- deleted 10y ago
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excalibur 10y ago
1. Symantec buys LifeLock 2. Oracle buys DYN 3. Oracle buys massive protection policy for DYN via LifeLock 4. DYN gets hacked 5. Oracle submits massive insurance claim 6. Symantec stock tanks 7. Oracle acquires Symantec dirt cheap
bdwalter 10y ago
As a long time lover of Dyn and long time hater of Oracle, this deal just makes me sick. Anyone have good experience w/ NS1 or Neustar? I need good GSLB for active/active...
- nodesocket 10y ago
  Highly recommend AWS Route53. You don't have to be using AWS to use Route53. It is solid, global anycast, and supports heath checks and geo DNS.
  - bigdubs 10y ago
    I'm moving my personal domains over to Route53. DYN's standard service is pretty expensive as it is.
  - fapjacks 10y ago
    Seconded. I still keep a DNSMadeEasy account around for some things, but Route53 just is great.
- LogicX 10y ago
  I use ns1 and am very pleased with the service. Many options for handling your responses (based on uptime, geo, etc)
  - stevekemp 10y ago
    Ironically they're now down - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13019858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13019858
rtvasan 10y ago
Oracle will probably end up just milking the Dyn installed base - and also try to leverage Dyn for the multiple Oracle public/private cloud efforts. However this is a great day for Dyn competitors like NS1!!
diminish 10y ago
There's still a great value hiding in enterprise software for startups. De-oracling the fortune 500 or de-consulting the enterprise from enterprise vendors still looks away. But SMB SaaS growing up and eating internal departments is still possible. Or a juggernaut big Mac of enterprise with fixed price menu and a million solution providers is another.
Illniyar 10y ago
Do we know for how much was the sale? Any writeup fromdyn?
zimbatm 10y ago
If you're looking for another provider I recommend http://dnsmadeeasy.com/ http://dnsmadeeasy.com/ . It's cheaper, faster, better uptime and supports ANAME records.
- tmcz26 10y ago
  Second that. Excellent uptime and pricing. Can't recommend them enough.
ironchief 10y ago
Exited for half a unicorn based up in New Hampshire!
ChuckMcM 10y ago
Interesting play for Oracle. Dyn was in the news a lot lately due to IoT type DDoS vectors, are these thing connected? Is Dyn looking at some sort of lawsuit with regard to 'enabling'?
philjr 10y ago
Right. So most folks here aren't following the "enterprise" space too much, but disclaimer: I work at Workday, a direct competitor to Oracle in the Business Management (ERP) software space. My background's in hosting & infrastructure. Oracle are losing a lot of Oracle database licenses at the enterprise level and when they look around, the "cloud" is one of the main reasons why. They sell a bunch of jumped up 1990's applications which are mostly thin, crappy wrappers around a sophisticated database and their database, despite a lot of accounting and sales tactics that say otherwise, is still their main earner. You can't, unfortunately, see that anywhere, however, so I can't cite anything :-) So, enterprise customers, who are mostly the people buying their database are moving towards the "cloud" eating some of Oracle's lunch. As a result, Oracle sees a growth opportunity in the "Cloud" arena - both on the infrastructure (AWS) and the application space (ERP). https://www.oracle.com/corporate/pressrelease/database-benchmarking-092016.html https://www.oracle.com/corporate/pressrelease/database-bench... So they recently bought Dyn, Palerra & LogFire so you can see a pattern here. Dyn are just more "internet famous", but this is a pattern [1] Lots and lots of talk recently from Ellison about their strategy. http://www.networkworld.com/article/3123408/cloud-computing/does-oracle-have-a-shot-in-the-public-cloud-vs-amazon-and-microsoft.html http://www.networkworld.com/article/3123408/cloud-computing/... http://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/2016/10/17/larry-ellisons-10-point-plan-how-oracle-will-beat-amazon-in-the-cloud/#1954c44e14cf http://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/2016/10/17/larry-ellisons... It'll be interesting to see the duck tape and glue they use to jam all this crap together, but I think they're fighting an uphill battle with an incumbent that's years ahead of them on the product side. However, this is Enterprise world, and best product definitely does not always win. Oracle have a long history of selling successfully to Enterprises through fairly aggressive sales tactics. I'm not surprised if they see a market opportunity given how unfriendly AWS & GCE can be from an enterprise perspective. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Oracle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Oracle

229 points by tribaal 10y ago

I don't see this as a good thing at all. Dyn themselves are a good enough company, but Oracle's culture could easily leach in.

mnw21cam 10y ago
Indeed. My first reaction was "Oh <insert swear word of choice>, there go my domains".

JustSomeNobody 10y ago

I wonder how soon we'll see those "preeminent" brands jump.

piran 10y ago
I'm sure brands won't change. Dyn has too much of a market share for Oracle to rebrand dyn. Oracle has followed this same strategy with other acquisitions.
- nailer 10y ago
  They got rid of Sun pretty quickly - and while they didn't have the market share at the time they did have a better reputation than Oracle did.
  - piran 10y ago
    Sun is always the goto example for bad things haha. I should of said recent acquisitions.
  - rayvd 10y ago
    Good reputation, but they were already seen as a sinking ship, IMO.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  On the linked page they talk about the brands (Netflix, etc) that are using Dyn. Those are the ones I meant. I wonder if Oracle will be seen as a good thing or a bad thing to these companies.

Spooky23 10y ago

Expect more of this stuff ahead. These big companies have so much money sitting around doing nothing.

themgt 10y ago

Oracle is currently reviewing the existing Dyn product roadmap and will be providing guidance to customers in accordance with Oracle's standard product communication policies. Any resulting features and timing of release of such features as determined by Oracle's review of Dyn' product roadmap are at the sole discretion of Oracle. Sounds promising!

pieter1976 10y ago
I assume that was sarcasm, right?
unixhero 10y ago
A bright future ahead for all customers! *snark intended
kps 10y ago
“Jump! Jump now!” — Kosh Naranek
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Indeed. I probably would have picked Cantrill for the quote myself, but I have absolutely no subtlety.

linuxlizard 10y ago

I'm now looking for recommendations for another DNS provider. USA or Europe preferred. Anyone have any?

alex_hitchins 10y ago
I too am looking for alternatives. I moved to Dyn from ZoneEdit, I may look to go back. Has anyone favourable experience with Route53?
- module0000 10y ago
  > Has anyone favourable experience with Route53? Yes, using it commercially(for work) and for personal domains. The pricing is incredibly low, and I haven't had an outage/hiccup since it launched.
  - alex_hitchins 10y ago
    Thanks, I might give this a go with a 'spare' domain to investigate it more.
- jlgaddis 10y ago
  Ugh, I definitely wouldn't recommend going back to ZoneEdit (now "easyDNS").
  - alex_hitchins 10y ago
    I didn't know they were bought out as well. Many years ago I ran my own DNS, perhaps I should look at doing it again.
raesene6 10y ago
FWIW I like dnsimple . I've got domains on both services and I'll be moving my last stuff off dyn and onto dnsimple after this, no desire to be a customer of Oracle's.
XorNot 10y ago

gbrown_ 10y ago

2016 keeps on delivering.

helthanatos 10y ago
Who are they going to sue now?
- astrodust 10y ago
  The internet. On a more serious note, does Dyn perhaps have any interesting patents?

scarmig 10y ago

Bye, Dyn. It was nice while it lasted, but I think it's time for both of us to move on.

Mojah 10y ago

For everyone currently rushing to move their DNS records away from Dyn to alternative providers; don't panic. Moving your DNS isn't hard, but is basically a hit-or-miss: it either works or it doesn't. I'm working on a tool to help monitor DNS changes that can help in migration scenario's by letting you know if any unwanted DNS records have changed. I'm looking for any feedback you may have, you can sign up for the beta here: https://dnsspy.io/ https://dnsspy.io/ (Ps; it seems shameless to plug a new service in a thread where a company just got bought, but I truly believe it can help ease the migration pain some may be feeling. Feel free to downvote if it makes no sense here or if it's just too blunt. Apologies, in that case.)

scarmig 10y ago
Note that signing up puts you on a waitlist and doesn't, immediately at least, get you onto the beta.
- Mojah 10y ago
  True, I should've clarified that. Those who've joined the beta waiting list (by entering their e-mail address on the homepage) should get in within days. But I also don't want to rush things and break functionality, so I'm still being careful here.
  - scarmig 10y ago
    I actually appreciate the structured scaling and it's probably a good choice. Seems like a useful service, for sure!
godzillabrennus 10y ago
DYN did a lot more than just Authoritative DNS. They did monitoring that then would facilitate a failover to different hosting environments, creating a quick active active or active passive failover depending on your configuration. They offered this with a complete web GUI that had permission controls that were granular so newer techs or less technical employees could login and manage just a single record or series of records. Not to mention their solutions are very fast. I'm not aware of any other dns host that does all of this.

makmanalp 10y ago

Not really a fan of oracle at all, but I have to congratulate the Dyn folks for how far they came from a dormroom server at WPI. I had the pleasure of spending a short summer internship there, and it was a formative experience. They had not only great engineering but also some of the most impressive sysadmin / ops people I've known. Especially the network stuff is a dying art these days.

bogomipz 10y ago
What is WPI?
- JonFish85 10y ago
  Guessing "Worcester Polytechnic Institute".
- lstamour 10y ago
  https://web.wpi.edu/offices/cei/hitchcock.html https://web.wpi.edu/offices/cei/hitchcock.html
- makmanalp 10y ago
  A tiny engineering school in Massachusetts. I'll spare you the marketing-heavy website, but It's an awesome place with a small-town feel, where nerdy pursuits are encouraged and helped to flourish into professions and businesses.
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    Oh sure, the acronym through me. Thanks.
- lwhalen 10y ago
  "We Produce Idiots" Source: went there in the early aughts, loved it (the teachers, the environment, the people... not so much the administration)
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alyandon 10y ago

Any idea what happens to those of us that have legacy lifetime accounts for supporting Dyn in the early days?

godzillabrennus 10y ago
If Oracle rebrands the tech they'll likely tell you the DYN products are being abandoned and you need to start paying for the new oracle branded stuff. Time to switch if you care about your service.
ProAm 10y ago
It's not your lifetime it's theirs and Dyn just got put into hospice.

scolson 10y ago

How long until I get screwed on my old lifetime custom zone

tracker1 10y ago
If you have domains.google as your registrar, they include google's dns, which has been very nice, it does support dynamic usage as well.

squozzer 10y ago

The timimg of the acquisition with Dyn's recent DDOS has me feeling even more paranoid than usual.

bsimpson 10y ago
That's a great DNS service you've got there; be a shame if someone were to DOS it.
nikanj 10y ago
"Huh, looks like the world really depends on this service. Probably means we can charge $oracle_moneys for it. Better send them an offer."

mrweasel 10y ago

Does Oracle know that people expect that everything Oracle touches will turn into garbage? I mean Oracles image is absolutely terrible among everyone but a small subsection of large companies. Arguably it doesn't seem to matter, Oracle isn't going out of business any time soon, but I can't imaging that their brand isn't suffering to some extend.

scarmig 10y ago
Somewhat recently underwent an acquisition by Oracle. A very few meager retention bonuses were given out (on the order of 5% of engineers). An immediate exodus of most of the engineers, including those offered retention bonuses, began. It seems counterproductive, but the trick was this: Oracle gained ownership of our contracts with other companies. Now, you might say, how the hell are you going to keep our products running if everyone who knows anything about them has left and they're all falling apart? The answer is: this is upside for Oracle, not downside. They're big enough that they can ream customers by forcing them to pay for overpriced consultants to fix the problems Oracle itself caused.
- mrweasel 10y ago
  But aren't the customers going to leave Oracle in the long run? I'm not saying it's not working, because Oracle is clearly doing fine. It just seems rather short term, and really unethical.
  - bluedino 10y ago
    >> But aren't the customers going to leave Oracle in the long run? Maybe. Some of them won't/can't switch. The goal is you buy a services company for $X with Y customers spending $Z per year. Doesn't take long for Y * $Z to be much greater than $X and you just string the customers along until they leave.
  - cbhl 10y ago
    The trick is to acquire services where the data is valuable AND hard to export (think Student Information Systems or other enterprise software) -- so in the short term it's cheaper for the client to pay for consultant than to pay for migrating the data to an alternative.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago

Well, this will no doubt go well. I'm so excited to see what ...improvements... oracle will make to the Dyn product line. I mean, just look at all the exciting ...improvements... they made at Sun, and all of the other (too many to name) companies they bought out!

zzzzzzzzzman 10y ago
As an employee of Oracle that sells Sun stuff, it really isn't all that bad :) But we are all lol'ing at the parallels here. A number of our colleagues went to work for Dyn recently, too haha...
- notacoward 10y ago
  How do they feel about this? Are they laughing like you are?
  - zzzzzzzzzman 10y ago
    They are laughing yes, I don't want to speak for everyone at Dyn, but the people I know are laughing at how hard it is to escape Big Red!
- randylahey 10y ago
  > isn't all that bad So, how would you characterize it? Somewhat bad? Doesn't it bother you to work somewhere so universally reviled?
  - zzzzzzzzzman 10y ago
    I would say that we all have become numb to the negative aspects of this job, which as you can imagine, usually include: 1) (rightfully) angry customers 2) painfully arbitrary and illogical corporate procedures 3) any sort of purpose or mission that our products fulfill Speaking for myself, I think it's very important to realize that this job is one of the best in town, is still decently well paid, and allows you the down time required to work on "real" projects. The ones who were capable of leaving have left. The rest of us are waiting.

tw04 10y ago

I'm curious - does anyone know if Dyn uses Oracle databases on the backend? Oracle seems to making a land grab for any *aaS provider that's using their DBs. Presumably because they realize their DB business is quickly being eaten by cloud providers and people sick of their "audits" (read: extortion tactics).

tyingq 10y ago
Their job postings ask for this: "Knowledge of databases such as PostgreSQL, MySQL, Cassandra, RDS, DynamoDB"
toyg 10y ago
They tend to buy what their customers use, not necessarily their own clients. They probably identified DYN as a common provider among a subset of their customers and thought it would make for a good acquisition.
technion 10y ago
Well I know Comodo does. I know this because if you enter any invalid data at a purchasing screen, you get Oracle error codes presented right on your screen. Last tested a year ago.

themihai 10y ago

I bet the first change'll be to replace the pricing page with a contact form/quote so that you can talk with a sales manager about your "enterprise" requirements. Not very exciting for start-ups.

gregmac 10y ago
Yep. It's funny, because it makes sense short-term. Why bother with the headaches of little startups when you can have a single "enterprise" customer paying as much as dozens or hundreds of them? It's easier to provide service to a a few hundred big customers than hundreds of thousands of little ones. Of course, then someone sees the gap, and provides service to all those little startups, and grows from there. Until they get purchased by a big "enterprise" company and the cycle repeats. I bet anyone competing with Dyn right now is pretty happy with this news.

bogomipz 10y ago

Can anyone speculate on why this made sense to Oracle? Would it be to complement Oracle Cloud?

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
You don't understand: in order for Oracle to acquire it, it doesn't have to make sense: it just has to make money.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  LOL, that was honestly my initial conclusion but I thought I was being too blunt.
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excalibur 10y ago

1. Symantec buys LifeLock 2. Oracle buys DYN 3. Oracle buys massive protection policy for DYN via LifeLock 4. DYN gets hacked 5. Oracle submits massive insurance claim 6. Symantec stock tanks 7. Oracle acquires Symantec dirt cheap

bdwalter 10y ago

As a long time lover of Dyn and long time hater of Oracle, this deal just makes me sick. Anyone have good experience w/ NS1 or Neustar? I need good GSLB for active/active...

nodesocket 10y ago
Highly recommend AWS Route53. You don't have to be using AWS to use Route53. It is solid, global anycast, and supports heath checks and geo DNS.
- bigdubs 10y ago
  I'm moving my personal domains over to Route53. DYN's standard service is pretty expensive as it is.
- fapjacks 10y ago
  Seconded. I still keep a DNSMadeEasy account around for some things, but Route53 just is great.
LogicX 10y ago
I use ns1 and am very pleased with the service. Many options for handling your responses (based on uptime, geo, etc)
- stevekemp 10y ago
  Ironically they're now down - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13019858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13019858

rtvasan 10y ago

Oracle will probably end up just milking the Dyn installed base - and also try to leverage Dyn for the multiple Oracle public/private cloud efforts. However this is a great day for Dyn competitors like NS1!!

diminish 10y ago

There's still a great value hiding in enterprise software for startups. De-oracling the fortune 500 or de-consulting the enterprise from enterprise vendors still looks away. But SMB SaaS growing up and eating internal departments is still possible. Or a juggernaut big Mac of enterprise with fixed price menu and a million solution providers is another.

Illniyar 10y ago

Do we know for how much was the sale? Any writeup fromdyn?

zimbatm 10y ago

If you're looking for another provider I recommend http://dnsmadeeasy.com/ http://dnsmadeeasy.com/ . It's cheaper, faster, better uptime and supports ANAME records.

tmcz26 10y ago
Second that. Excellent uptime and pricing. Can't recommend them enough.

ironchief 10y ago

Exited for half a unicorn based up in New Hampshire!

ChuckMcM 10y ago

Interesting play for Oracle. Dyn was in the news a lot lately due to IoT type DDoS vectors, are these thing connected? Is Dyn looking at some sort of lawsuit with regard to 'enabling'?

philjr 10y ago

Right. So most folks here aren't following the "enterprise" space too much, but disclaimer: I work at Workday, a direct competitor to Oracle in the Business Management (ERP) software space. My background's in hosting & infrastructure. Oracle are losing a lot of Oracle database licenses at the enterprise level and when they look around, the "cloud" is one of the main reasons why. They sell a bunch of jumped up 1990's applications which are mostly thin, crappy wrappers around a sophisticated database and their database, despite a lot of accounting and sales tactics that say otherwise, is still their main earner. You can't, unfortunately, see that anywhere, however, so I can't cite anything :-) So, enterprise customers, who are mostly the people buying their database are moving towards the "cloud" eating some of Oracle's lunch. As a result, Oracle sees a growth opportunity in the "Cloud" arena - both on the infrastructure (AWS) and the application space (ERP). https://www.oracle.com/corporate/pressrelease/database-benchmarking-092016.html https://www.oracle.com/corporate/pressrelease/database-bench... So they recently bought Dyn, Palerra & LogFire so you can see a pattern here. Dyn are just more "internet famous", but this is a pattern [1] Lots and lots of talk recently from Ellison about their strategy. http://www.networkworld.com/article/3123408/cloud-computing/does-oracle-have-a-shot-in-the-public-cloud-vs-amazon-and-microsoft.html http://www.networkworld.com/article/3123408/cloud-computing/... http://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/2016/10/17/larry-ellisons-10-point-plan-how-oracle-will-beat-amazon-in-the-cloud/#1954c44e14cf http://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/2016/10/17/larry-ellisons... It'll be interesting to see the duck tape and glue they use to jam all this crap together, but I think they're fighting an uphill battle with an incumbent that's years ahead of them on the product side. However, this is Enterprise world, and best product definitely does not always win. Oracle have a long history of selling successfully to Enterprises through fairly aggressive sales tactics. I'm not surprised if they see a market opportunity given how unfriendly AWS & GCE can be from an enterprise perspective. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Oracle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Oracle