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Global warming is not real! (Will the world really just accept this from Trump? Don't mean to turn on a flame war but it's really about this. Think global w

Global warming is not real! (Will the world really just accept this from Trump? Don't mean to turn on a flame war but it's really about this. Think global warming is bad now? How about in 20 more years?) I hope Zuckerberg & Brin will do something to improve the direction things are going. New billionaires seem much smarter than the old ones.

Mz 10y ago
Keep calm and pee on a tree. I am not actually being flippant: http://peeonatree.blogspot.com/ http://peeonatree.blogspot.com/
- douche 10y ago
  Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Register yourself on the Sex Offenders list. Make sure your house is not with 200 yards of a school.
  - Mz 10y ago
    I pee on a tree every single day and have for years. So far, no one has arrested me -- for anything at all. But, hey, feel free to keep your squeamish "Oh, my god, it's a PEE PEE!!!" attitudes while the world literally goes to hell around you. Cuz: Priorities! This would seriously not be a problem in Europe. America is weirdly uptight about a lot of things.
    - fern12 10y ago
      Skimming your blog, I see you live in the desert. Well, many Californians do not live in the desert, we live in urban areas where there is a higher population density, and for health and sanitary reasons, we have modern plumbing. Maintaining standards of public health and sanitation is a priority. Ever hear of cholera? Would you like someone with a drug-resistant strain of gonorrhea urinating near your living space? And for those of us who are pre-menopausal and not on the pill, well, peeing on a tree is just about unthinkable (not to mention gross) for 3-4 days of every month.
  - douche 10y ago
    Flying Spaghetti Monster! Look, I think public urination is a stupid law too, but it's on the books and those can be some of the consequences if you get pinched for it.
    - Mz 10y ago
      A) Laws are made by humans and can be changed. B) Did you even read the site? It is not advocating whipping it out in front of a crowd. Besides, it would have been completely legitimate to state that this can potentially go bad places because of stupid laws. But that isn't what you did. You did your best to just shoot the idea down entirely. "Go directly to jail...etc" This is not a case of "Go directly to jail." This is a case of "If you do this stupidly, be aware that in some jurisdictions this could lead to potential jail time...etc ...so be careful if you wish to do this."
      - douche 10y ago
        You're implying a lot of malicious intent from a throw-away quip.
        Mz 10y ago
        Thank you for the throwaway quip. It is serving as food for thought for how to further develop the project. FYI: Your follow-up replies read as highly invested in defending and justifying your "throwaway quip." So, if it genuinely was intended as a throwaway quip, no big, you are failing to effectively communicate that. Have a great day.
the8472 10y ago
> Will the world really just accept this from Trump? Well, trump wants to cancel/renegotiate trade deals. Maybe we could add carbon taxes to those since lax environmental regulations could be considered an indirect subsidy to american companies.
- TYPE_FASTER 10y ago
  His EPA advisor Myron Ebell does not believe in carbox taxes. http://web.archive.org/web/20161111014732/http://getliberty.org/2016/02/alg-joins-21-free-market-limited-government-leaders-in-opposing-carbon-tax/ http://web.archive.org/web/20161111014732/http://getliberty....
  - the8472 10y ago
    No, I mean other countries could impose carbon import tariffs on america if they renege on the paris agreement.
    - adventured 10y ago
      There's zero chance of a large collection of major economies getting together to pass such a thing. The sole reason the Paris Agreement had any chance is due to the US. Let's look at the world in question. Europe can barely hold itself together as it is - whether the Eurozone or EU - their overall economic system is rolling from one disaster to another while 0.3% growth is cheered. Europe has registered near zero real growth for a decade at this point. Their cooperative systems are all imploding as nations - from Sweden to Britain - put up barriers. Russia is guaranteed to seek more territory in Eastern Europe with nobody to stop them. Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal are all still in economic disaster mode and trying to recover or not implode further. German banks are acting like a depression is on-going, while the German economy is barely expanding. Finland has been in a near decade long soft depression. Norway's oil party is over, the next 20 years will be mostly austerity for them. France is a worsening mess both economically and politically. The UK has no idea what it's doing one way or another; Britain will be a mess for years to come due to Brexit. Oh and not one European country can actually afford to spend a dollar more on defense (and none of them really want to outside of Russia). The US pulling out of Europe in terms of military would cost those economies a hundred billion dollars per year that they don't have and would substantially increase nationalism and infighting. Japan is fully subservient to the US because they have no means to deal with a rising China threat (they're already bankrupt at a government level and can't even remotely afford to defend themselves without nuclear weapons, their standard of living is rapidly falling thanks to endless Yen debasement). Japan is also still mired in a 25 year economic stagnation caused by debt and bad Keynesian economic policies, a stagnation which isn't going to end so long as they keep doing the same thing over and over again (which apparently they are going to do). Japan is in no position to stand against the US (which is why Abe just paid a visit to Trump, their position is exceptionally weak right now), nor are any other nations in Asia except for China. There is also almost zero unity in Asia, thanks to the divisive nature of China's aggressive territorial ambitions. South America? Forget about it. Two of their three largest economies are in depressions (Venezuela is beyond that actually, they've fully collapsed as a nation). The other, Argentina, is barely starting to drag itself out of a deep recession. Who there is going to stand up to the US? Not going to happen, they have far bigger problems to deal with in their own backyard. Australia? New Zealand? Canada? They might lodge complaints, let their grievances be publicly known, but that is all they can do. Africa? They have no power or unity to cause the US problems. The Middle East? Happy to keep the fossil fuel party going and would be promoters of the US tanking the Paris Agreement. And that's it.
wavefunction 10y ago
Carnegie built public libraries across the country The Zuck brings us FWD.US
almostApatriot1 10y ago
why should conservatives care about California, at state that consistently votes lib?
- gecko 10y ago
  Because it is one of the single biggest food producers in the US, and has an effective monopoly on many of our foodstuffs (notably many nuts and citrus fruits). Losing California's food production for any reason, including destruction by fire or drought, would cause massive problems in the US, possibly up to and including a depression or economic collapse. This also gets to something I've never understood: why global warming is political. The science is objectively solid and the economic costs of not doing something are clear. I'll argue about the benefit and drawbacks of policies to address it all day long, but how is outright denial a thing?
- tomohawk 10y ago
  Does everything have to get back to partisan finger pointing?
  - seanp2k2 10y ago
    America loves sport, and the national sport is politics. Red team vs blue team, only one can win, us vs them, rah rah go team.
    - civilian 10y ago
      Yeah. I'm not a fan of football, baseball and soccer, but I'm starting to think that it's valuable if it keeps American emotion out of politics.
- cool_look 10y ago
  Look, I'm not American, but why would they foresake a state because of the state's predominant Voting habits? 1 in 3 voted Republican, are they going to be thrown to the wolves because of the other 2 ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_California,_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_ele... I know Chris Christie is implicated in blocking traffic in New Jersey, but punishing a state is a whole different league.
cool_look 10y ago
And what precisely does this have to do with man made global warming ?? Not every drought / flood / tornado is a result of global warming. In fact there have been recent studies showing that extreme weather ( drought, flood as mentioned ) has not gotten more frequent since we started emitting large amounts of CO2. Recent Study (2016): Trends in Extreme Weather Events since 1900 An Enduring Conundrum for Wise Policy Advice - Prof MJ Kelly http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/trends-in-extreme-weather-events-since-1900--an-enduring-conundrum-for-wise-policy-advice-2167-0587-1000155.php?aid=69558 http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/trends-in-extreme-weather... Comments and refutations instead of mere downvotes appreciated.
- panzagl 10y ago
  Can't fight faith with facts cuts both ways...
  - cool_look 10y ago
    Ain't that the truth. Neither side is free of lynch mobs and people conveniently ignoring facts that don't fit their pre-agreed agenda. This is just a side account of a regular HN user so sick of lynch mobs that I have to use a pseudonym.
    - woofyman 10y ago
      Are you seriously comparing down votes with lynching?
      - macspoofing 10y ago
        I suspect OP wasn't literal. You think he was?
- TuxerLulz 10y ago
  California drought though is mainly caused by the lack of snow in the Sierras which isn't replenishing underground aquifers as it should. That lack of snow is directly correlated with global warming :(
manachar 10y ago
Relying on the passions of benevolent billionaires seems like a really bad idea. Sure, I'm happy when they decide to do good, but they also do a fair bit of bad.
- dorfsmay 10y ago
  Is selecting authority through an election a better process?
  - headcanon 10y ago
    Generally speaking, and current events not withstanding, history would say yes.
  - ionised 10y ago
    Yes.
tomohawk 10y ago
These new plutocrats seem much scarier and creepier than the old ones. Having these companies that know way more about us than any government or agency becoming involved in partisan politics should scare the pants off of everyone. Who better to conduct opposition research than Google? Who better to decide what fake news is vs real news, if you want to control the vote? These guys haven't realized it yet, but they've crossed a big bright red line, changing their focus from being innovators to corporatists more interested in protecting their business models through political manuevering. Part of me really does hope Trump turns out to be a trust busting Teddy Roosevelt.
- ethbro 10y ago
  I'm thinking more a McKinley / Mark Hannah hybrid. And Pence is certainly no Roosevelt. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley
rad_gruchalski 10y ago
How's the almond industry in California doing?

Mz 10y ago

Keep calm and pee on a tree. I am not actually being flippant: http://peeonatree.blogspot.com/ http://peeonatree.blogspot.com/

douche 10y ago
Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Register yourself on the Sex Offenders list. Make sure your house is not with 200 yards of a school.
- Mz 10y ago
  I pee on a tree every single day and have for years. So far, no one has arrested me -- for anything at all. But, hey, feel free to keep your squeamish "Oh, my god, it's a PEE PEE!!!" attitudes while the world literally goes to hell around you. Cuz: Priorities! This would seriously not be a problem in Europe. America is weirdly uptight about a lot of things.
  - fern12 10y ago
    Skimming your blog, I see you live in the desert. Well, many Californians do not live in the desert, we live in urban areas where there is a higher population density, and for health and sanitary reasons, we have modern plumbing. Maintaining standards of public health and sanitation is a priority. Ever hear of cholera? Would you like someone with a drug-resistant strain of gonorrhea urinating near your living space? And for those of us who are pre-menopausal and not on the pill, well, peeing on a tree is just about unthinkable (not to mention gross) for 3-4 days of every month.
- douche 10y ago
  Flying Spaghetti Monster! Look, I think public urination is a stupid law too, but it's on the books and those can be some of the consequences if you get pinched for it.
  - Mz 10y ago
    A) Laws are made by humans and can be changed. B) Did you even read the site? It is not advocating whipping it out in front of a crowd. Besides, it would have been completely legitimate to state that this can potentially go bad places because of stupid laws. But that isn't what you did. You did your best to just shoot the idea down entirely. "Go directly to jail...etc" This is not a case of "Go directly to jail." This is a case of "If you do this stupidly, be aware that in some jurisdictions this could lead to potential jail time...etc ...so be careful if you wish to do this."
    - douche 10y ago
      You're implying a lot of malicious intent from a throw-away quip.
      - Mz 10y ago
        Thank you for the throwaway quip. It is serving as food for thought for how to further develop the project. FYI: Your follow-up replies read as highly invested in defending and justifying your "throwaway quip." So, if it genuinely was intended as a throwaway quip, no big, you are failing to effectively communicate that. Have a great day.

the8472 10y ago

> Will the world really just accept this from Trump? Well, trump wants to cancel/renegotiate trade deals. Maybe we could add carbon taxes to those since lax environmental regulations could be considered an indirect subsidy to american companies.

TYPE_FASTER 10y ago
His EPA advisor Myron Ebell does not believe in carbox taxes. http://web.archive.org/web/20161111014732/http://getliberty.org/2016/02/alg-joins-21-free-market-limited-government-leaders-in-opposing-carbon-tax/ http://web.archive.org/web/20161111014732/http://getliberty....
- the8472 10y ago
  No, I mean other countries could impose carbon import tariffs on america if they renege on the paris agreement.
  - adventured 10y ago
    There's zero chance of a large collection of major economies getting together to pass such a thing. The sole reason the Paris Agreement had any chance is due to the US. Let's look at the world in question. Europe can barely hold itself together as it is - whether the Eurozone or EU - their overall economic system is rolling from one disaster to another while 0.3% growth is cheered. Europe has registered near zero real growth for a decade at this point. Their cooperative systems are all imploding as nations - from Sweden to Britain - put up barriers. Russia is guaranteed to seek more territory in Eastern Europe with nobody to stop them. Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal are all still in economic disaster mode and trying to recover or not implode further. German banks are acting like a depression is on-going, while the German economy is barely expanding. Finland has been in a near decade long soft depression. Norway's oil party is over, the next 20 years will be mostly austerity for them. France is a worsening mess both economically and politically. The UK has no idea what it's doing one way or another; Britain will be a mess for years to come due to Brexit. Oh and not one European country can actually afford to spend a dollar more on defense (and none of them really want to outside of Russia). The US pulling out of Europe in terms of military would cost those economies a hundred billion dollars per year that they don't have and would substantially increase nationalism and infighting. Japan is fully subservient to the US because they have no means to deal with a rising China threat (they're already bankrupt at a government level and can't even remotely afford to defend themselves without nuclear weapons, their standard of living is rapidly falling thanks to endless Yen debasement). Japan is also still mired in a 25 year economic stagnation caused by debt and bad Keynesian economic policies, a stagnation which isn't going to end so long as they keep doing the same thing over and over again (which apparently they are going to do). Japan is in no position to stand against the US (which is why Abe just paid a visit to Trump, their position is exceptionally weak right now), nor are any other nations in Asia except for China. There is also almost zero unity in Asia, thanks to the divisive nature of China's aggressive territorial ambitions. South America? Forget about it. Two of their three largest economies are in depressions (Venezuela is beyond that actually, they've fully collapsed as a nation). The other, Argentina, is barely starting to drag itself out of a deep recession. Who there is going to stand up to the US? Not going to happen, they have far bigger problems to deal with in their own backyard. Australia? New Zealand? Canada? They might lodge complaints, let their grievances be publicly known, but that is all they can do. Africa? They have no power or unity to cause the US problems. The Middle East? Happy to keep the fossil fuel party going and would be promoters of the US tanking the Paris Agreement. And that's it.

wavefunction 10y ago

Carnegie built public libraries across the country The Zuck brings us FWD.US

almostApatriot1 10y ago

why should conservatives care about California, at state that consistently votes lib?

gecko 10y ago
Because it is one of the single biggest food producers in the US, and has an effective monopoly on many of our foodstuffs (notably many nuts and citrus fruits). Losing California's food production for any reason, including destruction by fire or drought, would cause massive problems in the US, possibly up to and including a depression or economic collapse. This also gets to something I've never understood: why global warming is political. The science is objectively solid and the economic costs of not doing something are clear. I'll argue about the benefit and drawbacks of policies to address it all day long, but how is outright denial a thing?
tomohawk 10y ago
Does everything have to get back to partisan finger pointing?
- seanp2k2 10y ago
  America loves sport, and the national sport is politics. Red team vs blue team, only one can win, us vs them, rah rah go team.
  - civilian 10y ago
    Yeah. I'm not a fan of football, baseball and soccer, but I'm starting to think that it's valuable if it keeps American emotion out of politics.
cool_look 10y ago
Look, I'm not American, but why would they foresake a state because of the state's predominant Voting habits? 1 in 3 voted Republican, are they going to be thrown to the wolves because of the other 2 ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_California,_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_ele... I know Chris Christie is implicated in blocking traffic in New Jersey, but punishing a state is a whole different league.

cool_look 10y ago

And what precisely does this have to do with man made global warming ?? Not every drought / flood / tornado is a result of global warming. In fact there have been recent studies showing that extreme weather ( drought, flood as mentioned ) has not gotten more frequent since we started emitting large amounts of CO2. Recent Study (2016): Trends in Extreme Weather Events since 1900 An Enduring Conundrum for Wise Policy Advice - Prof MJ Kelly http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/trends-in-extreme-weather-events-since-1900--an-enduring-conundrum-for-wise-policy-advice-2167-0587-1000155.php?aid=69558 http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/trends-in-extreme-weather... Comments and refutations instead of mere downvotes appreciated.

panzagl 10y ago
Can't fight faith with facts cuts both ways...
- cool_look 10y ago
  Ain't that the truth. Neither side is free of lynch mobs and people conveniently ignoring facts that don't fit their pre-agreed agenda. This is just a side account of a regular HN user so sick of lynch mobs that I have to use a pseudonym.
  - woofyman 10y ago
    Are you seriously comparing down votes with lynching?
    - macspoofing 10y ago
      I suspect OP wasn't literal. You think he was?
TuxerLulz 10y ago
California drought though is mainly caused by the lack of snow in the Sierras which isn't replenishing underground aquifers as it should. That lack of snow is directly correlated with global warming :(

manachar 10y ago

Relying on the passions of benevolent billionaires seems like a really bad idea. Sure, I'm happy when they decide to do good, but they also do a fair bit of bad.

dorfsmay 10y ago
Is selecting authority through an election a better process?
- headcanon 10y ago
  Generally speaking, and current events not withstanding, history would say yes.
- ionised 10y ago
  Yes.

tomohawk 10y ago

These new plutocrats seem much scarier and creepier than the old ones. Having these companies that know way more about us than any government or agency becoming involved in partisan politics should scare the pants off of everyone. Who better to conduct opposition research than Google? Who better to decide what fake news is vs real news, if you want to control the vote? These guys haven't realized it yet, but they've crossed a big bright red line, changing their focus from being innovators to corporatists more interested in protecting their business models through political manuevering. Part of me really does hope Trump turns out to be a trust busting Teddy Roosevelt.

ethbro 10y ago
I'm thinking more a McKinley / Mark Hannah hybrid. And Pence is certainly no Roosevelt. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley

rad_gruchalski 10y ago

How's the almond industry in California doing?