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It appears many people are embracing these unacceptable-isms. How is it then bad to call them our on it?

by ant6n 10y ago

FeepingCreature 10y ago
It should not be a surprise if they're embracing it if they've been tarred with it for decades. This is a cycle.
- linkregister 10y ago
  The overt reasoning of the most prominent Southern Democratic legislators was that the civil rights focus of the greater Democratic party was the primary reason for their flight into the American Independent and Republican parties. I assert that it is probably no longer a factor for the majority of Republican voters. I think this is the source of the narrative, rightly or wrongly. I don't see any evidence it had anything to do with the Reagan or Bush presidencies. In my lifetime I didn't see the uptick in overt white supremacy until President Obama took office. I think it is a combination of cyclical liberal excuses and some legitimate labelling.
oldmanjay 10y ago
It appears to be the accepted narrative, but it's the explanation coming from people who were caught completely flat-footed. What's the evidence that the narrative isn't a bunch of overwrought bullshit?
asdfasdfa11112 10y ago
"Calling people out" is not a technique to help people grow. It's ridiculing them after applying a label from a distance. The more people insist it was racists and sexists behind the vote, the more they miss the point. Part of the Trump vote was reacting sharply to the labeling + ridicule technique. There are other options. Learn more about why they feel the way they do, understand them. These are (most of our) countrymen, fellow humans at the very least. Education, understanding, compassion. Not ridicule.
- givinguflac 10y ago
  Calling racism racism is NOT labeling and ridicule. It's observation, and there's a big difference. I'm not saying everyone who voted for him is racist, but a lot of them are and frankly it's absurd to say we shouldn't address racism for what it is. If calling out someone for clearly being racist is labeling then I think we need to hash out the definitions of these words.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    The point that seems to missed here is that it doesn't matter if you feel or even are justified in your beliefs, because literally everyone feels justified in their beliefs too. Turning it into a name-calling contest is emotionally satisfying to an extent, but that's part of why today we have president elect trump, so is the satisfaction worth it?
    - malz 10y ago
      Two-thirds of Republicans still believe Obama was born outside the US. What possible justification do they have for that belief? Let's stack up our beliefs and see whose match more closely with "facts."
      - Sacho 10y ago
        Here is a possible source for your claim(since you didn't provide one) - http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_90115.pdf http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_Nati... The poll states that 44% of the queried republicans said "No" to the question. I've never believed that these polls offer wisdom into the mindset of people - they're too reductive and simplistic.
        malz 10y ago
        Here's another from this year. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/05/gop-quickly-unifies-around-trump-clinton-still-has-modest-lead.html http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/05/gop-quickly-... 13% think Obama is a Christian. 77% are not sure if he was born in the US. I agree the "mindset of the people" is more complex than this, and such a belief about Obama may not be the main driver of their voting behavior. But they are being truthful about saying they believe what they believe, right? They either believe it or they don't. In my eyes this kind of mass susceptibility to conspiracy theories is a huge sociological phenomenon that should be explored.

It appears many people are embracing these unacceptable-isms. How is it then bad to call them our on it?

by ant6n 10y ago

It appears many people are embracing these unacceptable-isms. How is it then bad to call them our on it?

FeepingCreature 10y ago

It should not be a surprise if they're embracing it if they've been tarred with it for decades. This is a cycle.

linkregister 10y ago
The overt reasoning of the most prominent Southern Democratic legislators was that the civil rights focus of the greater Democratic party was the primary reason for their flight into the American Independent and Republican parties. I assert that it is probably no longer a factor for the majority of Republican voters. I think this is the source of the narrative, rightly or wrongly. I don't see any evidence it had anything to do with the Reagan or Bush presidencies. In my lifetime I didn't see the uptick in overt white supremacy until President Obama took office. I think it is a combination of cyclical liberal excuses and some legitimate labelling.

oldmanjay 10y ago

It appears to be the accepted narrative, but it's the explanation coming from people who were caught completely flat-footed. What's the evidence that the narrative isn't a bunch of overwrought bullshit?

asdfasdfa11112 10y ago

"Calling people out" is not a technique to help people grow. It's ridiculing them after applying a label from a distance. The more people insist it was racists and sexists behind the vote, the more they miss the point. Part of the Trump vote was reacting sharply to the labeling + ridicule technique. There are other options. Learn more about why they feel the way they do, understand them. These are (most of our) countrymen, fellow humans at the very least. Education, understanding, compassion. Not ridicule.

givinguflac 10y ago
Calling racism racism is NOT labeling and ridicule. It's observation, and there's a big difference. I'm not saying everyone who voted for him is racist, but a lot of them are and frankly it's absurd to say we shouldn't address racism for what it is. If calling out someone for clearly being racist is labeling then I think we need to hash out the definitions of these words.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  The point that seems to missed here is that it doesn't matter if you feel or even are justified in your beliefs, because literally everyone feels justified in their beliefs too. Turning it into a name-calling contest is emotionally satisfying to an extent, but that's part of why today we have president elect trump, so is the satisfaction worth it?
  - malz 10y ago
    Two-thirds of Republicans still believe Obama was born outside the US. What possible justification do they have for that belief? Let's stack up our beliefs and see whose match more closely with "facts."
    - Sacho 10y ago
      Here is a possible source for your claim(since you didn't provide one) - http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_90115.pdf http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_Nati... The poll states that 44% of the queried republicans said "No" to the question. I've never believed that these polls offer wisdom into the mindset of people - they're too reductive and simplistic.
      - malz 10y ago
        Here's another from this year. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/05/gop-quickly-unifies-around-trump-clinton-still-has-modest-lead.html http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/05/gop-quickly-... 13% think Obama is a Christian. 77% are not sure if he was born in the US. I agree the "mindset of the people" is more complex than this, and such a belief about Obama may not be the main driver of their voting behavior. But they are being truthful about saying they believe what they believe, right? They either believe it or they don't. In my eyes this kind of mass susceptibility to conspiracy theories is a huge sociological phenomenon that should be explored.