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A lot of what's in there seems pretty reasonable, but: 1) The whole border wall thing is just ridiculous. I thought he had given up on that. Why would Mexico h

by cesarbs 10y ago

A lot of what's in there seems pretty reasonable, but: 1) The whole border wall thing is just ridiculous. I thought he had given up on that. Why would Mexico have to pay for that? If the US wants to build a wall, fine, build it and pay for it. It doesn't make sense to demand that Mexico pay for it. It's like building a wall on your property and demanding your neighbors pay for it. 2) The FDA thing is scary. Regulations and processes are there for a reason. I'll be very wary if this goes through and I ever have to take any medication that's not established in the market.

mudil 10y ago
The FDA thing is really really scary if you are sick. This situation is clearly illustrated in the movie Dallas Buyer's Club.
- Clubber 10y ago
  Yes, that's also the primary reason EpiPen can charge so much for their device. Their competitors' products were blocked / backlogged by the FDA. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/01/492235796/fda-fees-on-industry-havent-fixed-delays-in-generic-drug-approvals http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/01/49223579...
  - heartbreak 10y ago
    Isn't that throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Individual data points of a regulation being used for a corrupt end, doesn't mean the regulation is worthless and should be removed.
    - Clubber 10y ago
      I didn't intend to suggest throwing out the FDA. I was just making a point that, like everything, it isn't perfect and can be improved. The point that EpiPen was given temporary monopoly by the FDA was almost completely lost in most of the news stories I read. It's a facet of the story that I think is important, but left out. To be an informed citizenry, we need to know all the angles and be able to filter the BS. Kudo's to NPR for bothering to get the full story.
  - readhn 10y ago
    Well.....Theranos case tells us something else..THANK GOD FOR THE FDA! Its not that easy :)
ben174 10y ago
You can find more detail on how he plans to make Mexico pay for the wall here: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf Specifically, he will threaten to disallow wire transfer of money from US to Mexico by non-citizens. Since that is a revenue source they greatly depend on, he suggests they'd rather fund the building of the wall. If they agree to fund the wall, then the ban on transfers will go away.
- soundwave106 10y ago
  The wall is ridiculous in itself though. I'm looking forward to see what Donald Trump's wall does when they encounter Santa Elena Canyon. (https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/secyn.htm https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/secyn.htm)
  - cglace 10y ago
    Looks like the canyon would be a natural barrier. But if you have a small gap it seems like you could just build some guard posts at that gap.
    - soundwave106 10y ago
      The Big Bend area is just one natural area like that. Consider the Amistad Reservoir (http://cdn.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/3311117978_cfcabc7137_z.jpg http://cdn.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/33...) for instance. Water levels there are about 1100 feet. Kind of hard to put a fence in the middle there. :) Obviously I'm "sticking to the metaphor", but legitimately that Big Bend area is one of those reminders that this "wall" concept is ridiculous for other reasons. That area and others along the border awfully remote, which will make managing the infrastructure and obtaining people to work there a headache. It will also make building the actual infrastructure extremely challenging and probably quite expensive. Not that Trump would care, but it's certainly not an environmentally friendly proposal either. If the economy is such where Mexicans still want to migrate, there's other possibilities. No wall will secure the sea for instance, unless you build that "wall" around the entire Gulf of Mexico and Pacific Ocean. (Beachgoers won't be happy about that.) The wall does not stop exploitation methods such as visa overstays or smuggling in the heavier trafficked borders. Even the Berlin Wall -- well more fortified than any 2,000 mile could ever be -- was breached 5,000 times in its history, so there's a good chance that even these remote areas might get some activity. How much is America willing to pay for "a wall" to stop the immigrants? Enough to wreck the economy? Well, that's one sure way to prevent Mexicans from crossing over. :)
skeletonjelly 10y ago
> I thought he had given up on that. FWIW this document isn't dated that I can see but it does refer to election day like so: "On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities and honesty to our government" So I assume it was written before the election
- sp332 10y ago
  The filename has 102316 in it so probably 10/23/16, only two weeks ago.
- deleted 10y ago
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davemel37 10y ago
> It doesn't make sense to demand that Mexico pay for it. It's like building a wall on your property and demanding your neighbors pay for it. When buying a house, wouldnt you try to negotiate for seller concessions like paying for repairs? Trumps wall comments were always in conjunction with discussing the massive trade deficit with Mexico. If we are in a stronger position to negotiate with Mexico, why wouldnt we negotiate the best deal we can get? If you really think about it. We only need this wall because of Mexico, so why should we pay if we dont have to?
- yolesaber 10y ago
  >If you really think about it. We only need this wall because of Mexico, so why should we pay if we dont have to? If you really think about it, we don't need the wall at all because people will just dig holes underneath it, like they have with all the other walls and fencing we have built. 1,954 miles is a long way to go - https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/best-of-luck-with-the-wall/ https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/best-of-luck-with-the-wa...
  - Zpalmtree 10y ago
    Israel built a 245 mile wall. Illegal immigration dropped from 9570 to 34 over the same time period. Obviously it won't be foolproof, but that's pretty good.
    - finid 10y ago
      I'm willing to bet that most of the money used to build that 245-mile wall came from the US (via aids). Perhaps Trump should ask Israel for help in building his wall.
      - davemel37 10y ago
        >Perhaps Trump should ask Israel for help in building his wall. I'm sure he will ask them for engineering help and guidance.
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randyrand 10y ago
1) because we have more negotiation power than they do.
agumonkey 10y ago
People filmed at Florida HQ were still very awaiting for that wall. ps: their enthusiasm got to me. Somehow, no matter how low Trump's speeches were, if he manages to spin calmer, safer, leaner lives for people in America I'd be happy. If. Because if it goes as I imagine, grand but failing plans, hope backpressure, the disillusion will be grandiosely sad.
sams99 10y ago
on the FDA side, this is enlightening: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538397/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538397/ "Each drug is estimated to cost $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion in cash outlays per approved biopharmaceutical" This particular problem means that lots of very promising cancer drugs never see the light of day. For example for Neuroblastoma there is an approved drug called dinutuximab https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-drug?cdrid=42042 https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-drug.... This is the only approved drug for treating pediatric cancers that was approved in the last 10-20 year. Meantime significantly more potent (and possibly effective) drugs are in clinical trials, eg: Hu-3F8 at MSKCC. But... given the cost and enormous amount of red tape needed to get the drug approved (combined with very small market) odds of them getting approved in the next 10 years are not that high. Something needs to change, but I am not sure exactly what.
cnnsucks 10y ago
>> I thought he had given up on that. You did?? He's been personally promising to build it 3-5 times a day to tens of thousands of people in every competitive state in the US. It's kind of hard to miss... >> Why would Mexico have to pay for that? ... It's like building a wall on your property and demanding your neighbors pay for it. Except the neighbors -- to stretch the analogy a bit more -- have their children, pets and a few spare vehicles in your yard and have become accustomed to browbeating you into not complaining about it. Trump et al. plan on altering this dynamic.
- pavlov 10y ago
  To stretch the analogy even further: your family has become accustomed to having the neighbors' children cook your food and borrowing those spare vehicles whenever you feel like it. They're not just hanging out in your yard, they're contributing to your household's economy and are friends with your own kids. In fact, your daughter told them to keep the pets in the yard because she loves them so much. Suddenly asking the neighbors to build a thick fence and stay the hell out will get your other family members very upset, and also means that you'll have to do more cooking from now on. Tough choices for the family dad...
luxuryballs 10y ago
drug cartels are a problem in Mexico, they might lose substantial amounts of business due to the wall (lots of drugs are sold in the US), which would be good for Mexico

by cesarbs 10y ago

mudil 10y ago

The FDA thing is really really scary if you are sick. This situation is clearly illustrated in the movie Dallas Buyer's Club.

Clubber 10y ago
Yes, that's also the primary reason EpiPen can charge so much for their device. Their competitors' products were blocked / backlogged by the FDA. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/01/492235796/fda-fees-on-industry-havent-fixed-delays-in-generic-drug-approvals http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/01/49223579...
- heartbreak 10y ago
  Isn't that throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Individual data points of a regulation being used for a corrupt end, doesn't mean the regulation is worthless and should be removed.
  - Clubber 10y ago
    I didn't intend to suggest throwing out the FDA. I was just making a point that, like everything, it isn't perfect and can be improved. The point that EpiPen was given temporary monopoly by the FDA was almost completely lost in most of the news stories I read. It's a facet of the story that I think is important, but left out. To be an informed citizenry, we need to know all the angles and be able to filter the BS. Kudo's to NPR for bothering to get the full story.
- readhn 10y ago
  Well.....Theranos case tells us something else..THANK GOD FOR THE FDA! Its not that easy :)

ben174 10y ago

You can find more detail on how he plans to make Mexico pay for the wall here: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf Specifically, he will threaten to disallow wire transfer of money from US to Mexico by non-citizens. Since that is a revenue source they greatly depend on, he suggests they'd rather fund the building of the wall. If they agree to fund the wall, then the ban on transfers will go away.

soundwave106 10y ago
The wall is ridiculous in itself though. I'm looking forward to see what Donald Trump's wall does when they encounter Santa Elena Canyon. (https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/secyn.htm https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/secyn.htm)
- cglace 10y ago
  Looks like the canyon would be a natural barrier. But if you have a small gap it seems like you could just build some guard posts at that gap.
  - soundwave106 10y ago
    The Big Bend area is just one natural area like that. Consider the Amistad Reservoir (http://cdn.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/3311117978_cfcabc7137_z.jpg http://cdn.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/33...) for instance. Water levels there are about 1100 feet. Kind of hard to put a fence in the middle there. :) Obviously I'm "sticking to the metaphor", but legitimately that Big Bend area is one of those reminders that this "wall" concept is ridiculous for other reasons. That area and others along the border awfully remote, which will make managing the infrastructure and obtaining people to work there a headache. It will also make building the actual infrastructure extremely challenging and probably quite expensive. Not that Trump would care, but it's certainly not an environmentally friendly proposal either. If the economy is such where Mexicans still want to migrate, there's other possibilities. No wall will secure the sea for instance, unless you build that "wall" around the entire Gulf of Mexico and Pacific Ocean. (Beachgoers won't be happy about that.) The wall does not stop exploitation methods such as visa overstays or smuggling in the heavier trafficked borders. Even the Berlin Wall -- well more fortified than any 2,000 mile could ever be -- was breached 5,000 times in its history, so there's a good chance that even these remote areas might get some activity. How much is America willing to pay for "a wall" to stop the immigrants? Enough to wreck the economy? Well, that's one sure way to prevent Mexicans from crossing over. :)

skeletonjelly 10y ago

> I thought he had given up on that. FWIW this document isn't dated that I can see but it does refer to election day like so: "On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities and honesty to our government" So I assume it was written before the election

sp332 10y ago
The filename has 102316 in it so probably 10/23/16, only two weeks ago.
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davemel37 10y ago

> It doesn't make sense to demand that Mexico pay for it. It's like building a wall on your property and demanding your neighbors pay for it. When buying a house, wouldnt you try to negotiate for seller concessions like paying for repairs? Trumps wall comments were always in conjunction with discussing the massive trade deficit with Mexico. If we are in a stronger position to negotiate with Mexico, why wouldnt we negotiate the best deal we can get? If you really think about it. We only need this wall because of Mexico, so why should we pay if we dont have to?

yolesaber 10y ago
>If you really think about it. We only need this wall because of Mexico, so why should we pay if we dont have to? If you really think about it, we don't need the wall at all because people will just dig holes underneath it, like they have with all the other walls and fencing we have built. 1,954 miles is a long way to go - https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/best-of-luck-with-the-wall/ https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/best-of-luck-with-the-wa...
- Zpalmtree 10y ago
  Israel built a 245 mile wall. Illegal immigration dropped from 9570 to 34 over the same time period. Obviously it won't be foolproof, but that's pretty good.
  - finid 10y ago
    I'm willing to bet that most of the money used to build that 245-mile wall came from the US (via aids). Perhaps Trump should ask Israel for help in building his wall.
    - davemel37 10y ago
      >Perhaps Trump should ask Israel for help in building his wall. I'm sure he will ask them for engineering help and guidance.

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randyrand 10y ago

1) because we have more negotiation power than they do.

agumonkey 10y ago

People filmed at Florida HQ were still very awaiting for that wall. ps: their enthusiasm got to me. Somehow, no matter how low Trump's speeches were, if he manages to spin calmer, safer, leaner lives for people in America I'd be happy. If. Because if it goes as I imagine, grand but failing plans, hope backpressure, the disillusion will be grandiosely sad.

sams99 10y ago

on the FDA side, this is enlightening: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538397/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538397/ "Each drug is estimated to cost $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion in cash outlays per approved biopharmaceutical" This particular problem means that lots of very promising cancer drugs never see the light of day. For example for Neuroblastoma there is an approved drug called dinutuximab https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-drug?cdrid=42042 https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-drug.... This is the only approved drug for treating pediatric cancers that was approved in the last 10-20 year. Meantime significantly more potent (and possibly effective) drugs are in clinical trials, eg: Hu-3F8 at MSKCC. But... given the cost and enormous amount of red tape needed to get the drug approved (combined with very small market) odds of them getting approved in the next 10 years are not that high. Something needs to change, but I am not sure exactly what.

cnnsucks 10y ago

>> I thought he had given up on that. You did?? He's been personally promising to build it 3-5 times a day to tens of thousands of people in every competitive state in the US. It's kind of hard to miss... >> Why would Mexico have to pay for that? ... It's like building a wall on your property and demanding your neighbors pay for it. Except the neighbors -- to stretch the analogy a bit more -- have their children, pets and a few spare vehicles in your yard and have become accustomed to browbeating you into not complaining about it. Trump et al. plan on altering this dynamic.

pavlov 10y ago
To stretch the analogy even further: your family has become accustomed to having the neighbors' children cook your food and borrowing those spare vehicles whenever you feel like it. They're not just hanging out in your yard, they're contributing to your household's economy and are friends with your own kids. In fact, your daughter told them to keep the pets in the yard because she loves them so much. Suddenly asking the neighbors to build a thick fence and stay the hell out will get your other family members very upset, and also means that you'll have to do more cooking from now on. Tough choices for the family dad...

luxuryballs 10y ago

drug cartels are a problem in Mexico, they might lose substantial amounts of business due to the wall (lots of drugs are sold in the US), which would be good for Mexico