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New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just five days
- baobrain 10y agoProves that the intended audience is the average mainstream consumer, contrary to what the pro moniker implies.
- jws 10y ago…or there was a pent up demand, or there are different sorts of professionals with different needs.
- Retr0spectrum 10y agoI wonder if they'll introduce a "Pro+" line or something similar to cater to the real professionals. Or maybe that just doesn't make business sense at this point.
- Lio 10y agoThey could just release a line of PCIe eGPUs as a replacement for the Mac Pro but I think it's more likely they'll leave that 3rd party vendors and just cede the professional hardware market.
- falcolas 10y agoI don't think so; I think it proves that real professional users will work with what they're given, even if what they're given is not what they wanted or needed. We're just too good at working around issues. That's my take on the whole debacle.
- ethbro 10y agoApple's typical playbook: offer new high end product in new product category at high price point, reap sales, eventually introduce lower spec product at lower price point, reap sales. Might they have decided to do the MBP the other way around? Realizing that it's an established product with a loyal following, why not offer a lower spec'd (compared to what they could build) but high profit model, get the sales, then offer a "dev edition" at a higher price point down the road?
- ProAm 10y agoWhen you wait 3 years to release an update of course there will be a sales rush. I think this is non-news.
- rbanffy 10y agoI'll probably wait for the next generation. My current one (previous-gen 15") is more than enough for a couple years.
- dashoffset 10y agoSure. But it's far from being the failure predicted by the specialists and media in general right after Apple announced them.
- ProAm 10y agoI dont believe anyone called it a failure. It was just not impressive at all, I think that is what the hub bub is about. Apple used to be an amazing innovator and they are not anymore. But most tech company's are cyclical in nature, Apple is on a down round and probably will be for the next 5 years. MS had the same thing happen, and now they are coming back. I bet when Tim Cook departs Apple will see the same resurgence.
- donatj 10y agoAnd this is why, despite tears, our complaints fall on deaf ears.
- robert_foss 10y agoThese numbers are misleading. The entire Macbook Pro line is summed up, where as the pro lines of other vendors are not summed.
- jerf 10y agoYes, even the vendors they show sum up to 1.3x, and the PC line keeps going for some time. The PC world also has a set of machines with generally premium-grade specs but have much cheaper cases, which meets many people's needs. Apple has always had this "advantage" in sales. It has never meant much, in either direction.
- merb 10y agoActually there is not even the Pro line recorded of Dell. Latitiude/Precision is the Pro line, however since the new XPS more and more Business Customers also use the XPS.
- digi_owl 10y agoThats one of the things that most people overlook. Apple have consistently been marketing B2B hardware to B2C customers. Invariably when people complain that brand X is crap vis a vis Apple they are comparing some bargain basement web terminal laden with bloatware to a Macbook Pro.
- rayiner 10y agoI'm not sure B2B hardware is so great. Screens and touch pads on HP Pro Books and Thinkpads for example are low quality. The Precision 5510 is a good machine, but it's actually an up-model XPS 15.
- dman 10y agoHP Pro is strangely enough HPs low end line. HP Elitebooks are the equivalent to the MacBook pro.
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- julianozen 10y agoI want to know why Apple chose not to make the laptop waterproof At least twice a month our 22 year old CTO, comes into our open office and starts a super soaker fight. Normally we’re pretty good about putting our machines away, but if we aren’t careful, there goes our $3K ‘investment’. It’s clear to me that the Pro in Macbook Pro no longer means Professional. It’s clear Apple just doesn’t care about Macs anymore. Edit: Yes, this was a joke
- sjtgraham 10y agoMacBook Pro: For all of your professional needs* *not including supersoaker fights
- christoph 10y agoI really don't know if this is sarcasm or not... and I hate to be "that guy" but if your CTO comes into the office and starts spraying water around tech equipment, I think serious questions need to be asked about him being CTO.
- manacit 10y agoConsidering his Twitter bio (in his profile) says he works at Amazon, I'm going to lean strongly on this being satire. Honestly it's pretty funny that everyone took this at face value, pretty telling..
- egypturnash 10y agoHas anyone, um, told your CTO that water and computers don't mix?
- ukyrgf 10y agoAll of my questions about whether I am on the right career path just got answered.
- reustle 10y agoYou think Apple doesn't care about macs anymore because they didn't make it waterproof? Also, this is the most "startup" comment I've read in a while.
- owaislone 10y agoA new general purpose computer for casual internet surfing and social media. Sure. Macs are the iPhones.
- sjtgraham 10y agoN.B. A large number of people waiting over a year for a MBP refresh ordered one within 5 days of release. I'm sitting this rev out. I bought a i7 X220 ThinkPad for £189, and installed elementary. The thing flies, and will do perfectly well for now… if I ever go back to Apple.
- shocks 10y agoWhere did you buy this?
- gruez 10y agoat that price? probably refurb.
- touristtam 10y agodefinitly 2nd hand. The current model is probably the x260 with their model naming convention. Still an awfully capable machine for the price tag. And much like widely available cars, if it breaks, you either get new parts or get a new one altogether.
- tbrock 10y agoAnywhere, the x220 is a great but ancient laptop at this point. Still runs Linux (or any modern os) well.
- sjtgraham 10y agohttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371572531594 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371572531594 It only has 4GB RAM and a normal HDD but is much quicker than the Mac it replaced. I've ordered 16GB RAM and a SSD for it.
- B1FF_PSUVM 10y agohttps://elementary.io/open-source https://elementary.io/open-source Linux, mostly Gnome2?
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- AdrianDeAnda 10y agoDoes it really means that much? I think that numbers will always favor Apple when there so much choice on the other side, the diversity will make the sales number for a specific product be on the low side compared to a single product (with different variations of it, counted together). Just like when there are headlines saying "iPhone X beats the [make][model] in sales", if you pool together all Android flagships from different makes that get released that same year then those numbers could vary significantly against Apple.
- simonh 10y agoIt's useful to know when combined with an awareness of how Apple also dominates profit margin. Strong sales on a unit basis indicate they will continue to do well in profit share as well. Which turns out to be about 60% of the profits of the entire desktop/laptop market, and according to recent figures 104% of profits in the smartphone market.
- eastWestMath 10y agoFrom the article: >Just five days in, the MacBook Pro models had already hit almost 80% of combined 2015 and 2016 MacBook sales – and look set to exceed 18 months of sales in the first week. So Apple is having incredible sales numbers for Apple, not compared to some smaller manufacturers.
- creshal 10y ago> not compared to some smaller manufacturers. Apple has a 10% market share.
- robotresearcher 10y agoTable of market shares below. HP has the most at 20%ish. http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-2015-notebook-market-share/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-2015-notebook-m...
- std_throwaway 10y agoI'm not surprised by these numbers. I believe they targeted their market pretty well and hit that 90% of customers who would usually buy a MacBook or a MacBook Air and now pay a premium for the Pro. Only maybe 50% of actual professionals were left without a proper option which may account for maybe 5% of their sales or even less.
- antirez 10y agoThe problem is not what is happening now. N years ago professionals started to buy macbooks. Because they are largely the people other people listen to when there is to make a technological choice, and because the product was sounding, in a few years Apple got a very large percentage of non professional customers. Now they should be worried of the same thing: they left many professionals looking for alternatives, and a competitor can exploit these "trend setters" providing a good product, that later may get mainstream.
- dntrkv 10y agoThat's a nice sounding theory but do you have any proof of that? From what I've seen, Apple has just had a consistently good product with great marketing.
- emp_zealoth 10y agoApple had a long history of their hardware failing and failing and failing again, between anti-glare coatings coming off, GPUs failing en masse, hinges breaking on early alu ones, abysmal quality iphone buttons for a long time, the innards dying to riddiculous temperature they work at I mean, the new 13 inch entry level macbook keeps the CPU at 85-89C under full load - if you really think it will not make it fail then i have a unicorn to sell to you
- std_throwaway 10y agoIt's still possible to release the thick "real MBP" with the old ports, big battery and up to 32/64 GB RAM.
- neolefty 10y agoDo you mean the retina model or the even older one? http://www.cultofmac.com/405009/why-is-apples-ancient-2012-macbook-pro-still-so-popular/ http://www.cultofmac.com/405009/why-is-apples-ancient-2012-m...
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- AdmiralAsshat 10y agoTo everyone surprised by the news, just remember: you are not Apple's target audience anymore. The developers did an amazing job of advertising the Macbook to the general public and making it seem like the cool, sexy thing that professionals use, but it's no longer just for professionals. When I went to college, I saw kids who used Macbook Pros to do nothing more than take notes, send emails, and browse facebook. I go to coffee shops and see seniors with MBA's, browsing the news. The widespread developer backlash against the new MBP is a trivial percentage compared to the average Joe's who are going out and continuing to buy Macbooks. Apple doesn't have to listen to what the developers want--they don't need your business anymore.
- std_throwaway 10y agoYet, we all know what happens to companies who lose their developers. It just takes a few years to materialize.
- matthewking 10y agoMaybe Apple need Steve Ballmer to remind them what's important ;)
- daveFNbuck 10y agoThere's a difference between losing your developers and losing the developer market. Plenty of companies thrive without targeting the developer market.
- hyperbovine 10y agoI'll bet you those companies don't hold a monopoly on the platform, though.
- wyager 10y agoI'm not actually clear how this laptop is supposed to be worse for developers. It's not like most of us are EEs; we hardly ever need any sort of weird ports or anything. In fact, about half my work is EE and I'm doing fine with a 12" MacBook. The only thing we've lost is the physical escape and function keys, and that's not exactly a show-stopper. Possibly a mild inconvenience. I'll probably buy a MacBook or MacBook Pro for my next laptop, unless something obviously better (including quality and support lifetime) is on the market, which right now it doesn't appear to be.
- Artemis2 10y agoBut how are we going to run all these virtual machines?!
- elnygren 10y agoSo pretty much nobody cared about the ddr4/32gb ram and some ports missing. What a shocker. This always happens with Apple, over and over again: product event -> disappointment -> mad -> fomo -> surrender -> buy it because still the best thing in town. Which phase are you in? :)
- DrNuke 10y agoTrumpism everywhere now and also here on HN with more and more throwaways putting it bluntly against the perceived elitist wisdom? Exciting times ahead ehehe.
- ehutch79 10y agoworst laptop ever! no one will ever buy it.
- iainmerrick 10y agoI think the "16GB limit" thing is a red herring. That's more than enough for plenty of people, including many developers. What I'm still annoyed about is, where are the low-end laptops? Where are the new desktops? The MBP still looks like a very good laptop, but it's worrying that Apple seem to want to push everyone to use basically a single model. They have a wider range of up-to-date iPads than Macs at this point.
- digi_owl 10y agoHas that not always been the Apple MO? Very few models that gets iterated on at intervals?
- iainmerrick 10y agoNot really, although they're far more disciplined than most of their competitors. Besides the MBP they have the Mac Mini, Mac Pro, iMac and MacBook Air. They're just choosing to let them languish without updates right now. They also have three sizes of iPad and three sizes of iPhone (although it's not clear whether the smallest iPhone will survive). I would have thought four macOS form factors (laptop/desktop, cheap/pro) and four iOS form factors (tablet/phone, big/small) would make sense. They don't seem to care about either "desktop" or "cheap" for macOS, but they have big/medium/small for iOS. I'm not running one of the most successful businesses of all time, though, so my opinion doesn't count for much. I suppose you have to give them the benefit of the doubt for knowing what their customers actually need.
- nicky0 10y agoYou missed one: the MacBook.
- iainmerrick 10y agoYes! It's weird that they don't more clearly distinguish it from the MacBook Pro. The Air was clearly their light and (relatively) cheap model, after that first expensive prototype, but it's really not clear what the MacBook is for.
- lambdasquirrel 10y agoAs a dev, I'm going to go against the comments here. I don't even know why this is surprising or a big deal, or why all the squabbling. If you're using vim, the keyboard will probably revert to default. The fake "escape" key will be at the end, where it will be very easy to feel. But you should have known better and been using emacs anyway. Others have pointed out that 32GB of ram isn't really a good tradeoff because of Intel. Most of the code that I write is either run remotely or python. I don't need that much memory and CPU power because cloud (aren't we all more proud of our infrastructure-as-code AWS setups these days?), and honestly, I care about one thing: How long can I stay connected to the DC on my phone tether. This new Macbook does it for me. The touchbar, I guess it's good for emojis, but I really did just want a lighter laptop that has a mostly-all-day charge. I'm going to go against the grain with the general sentiment in the comments. My current Macbook Pro usually lasts me most of the day, and I need at most an hour of plugged-in time. I'm a light guy, and I don't like having to lug my current giant tank around.
- johnthedebs 10y agoJust to offer a somewhat contrarian opinion: I'm a professional developer who is very excited about these new MacBook Pros. I routinely run multiple VMs, Vim is my primary text editor, and I picked up a DSLR this year and have been getting into photography as a hobby. After some initial skepticism and consideration, I'm mostly happy with the design tradeoffs that they made. Of course I'll have to use one for a while to know for sure. The price increase is obviously unwelcome, but it isn't new as far as their laptop redesigns go and I expect the price will fall back to "normal" over the next year or two.
- addicted 10y agoWhat are you actually excited about over the previous model as opposed to "don't have a problem with"? Im genuinely curious. This is not meant to be a rhetorical question.
- johnthedebs 10y agoI'm excited about the potential of the Touchbar and I feel like a lot of the criticism towards it is unfair. Eg, "I'm a touch-typist and therefore don't want to look down at my keyboard". I almost always look down when using the current function keys despite being a very proficient touch-typist so I don't think this argument holds as much weight as people give it. I'm excited about the reductions in size and weight. I carry my laptop to/from work with me every day (45min NYC commute) and I often have it with me other places because I'm on-call. Other people may not care about size and weight reductions, but I do. I'm excited about the improvements to the screen, the sound system, the trackpad, the graphics performance, and the SSD performance. Granted, the internal upgrades were overdue and nothing stellar, but improvements are improvements. I'm excited about the future potential of the ports. This is inconvenient in the short term, but I like the idea of simplifying down to one type of port. The fact that one port can provide power, external audio, video, USB, etc means I can have a proper dock setup for my machine when I get home or get to work. As it is now, I have several things to plug in or unplug and it's kind of annoying. I'm not even bothered by the removal of MagSafe, as a lot of people seem to be (understandably). I almost never have my laptop plugged into power while susceptible to the cord being tripped because it's normally docked at my desk. I like that I can plug power into either side, bc it means I'm able to have an external display on either side. And when it's not docked, the battery life is mostly good enough that I don't need to think much about plugging it in and worrying about the cord being tripped. In other words, it's becoming a lot more like a phone in terms of usage patterns than previous generations of MacBooks.
- merb 10y agoJust five days in, the MacBook Pro models had already hit almost 80% of combined 2015 and 2016 MacBook sales well according to that it looks probably more like: https://xkcd.com/1102/ https://xkcd.com/1102/ I mean if Apple sold way less MacBook Pro's in 2015/2016 it's really simple to explain that their sales now jumped!? Comparing percentage values, just sucks. It would be better to compare their sales now with the sales of the last "upgrade" of the MacBook Pro, that would be a way more solid number. Edit: Also the origin site is: https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/ https://intelligence.slice.com/apples-macbook-pro-launch/ With a panel of over 4.4 million online shoppers so without nowing their customers these numbers could be extremely misleading. Not every shop has access to every Laptop brand and Dell generates most of his sales on their own Website (which might be or might be not a customer of slice.com)
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- mark_l_watson 10y agoI bought a MacBook last Friday, and I hope I don't end up regretting not getting a MacBook Pro. The MacBook is fairly much awesome but it does not feel very physically robust and I hope it ages well.
- davidf18 10y agoI tried the new 13" rMBP last weekend in the Apple Store and I'd highly recommend exchanging the MacBook for the new rMBP. Much nicer, smaller than the 13" Air.
- mark_l_watson 10y agoTempting, but I have used it heavily 30+ hours so it doesn't seem right to return it. I like the MacBook and I will buy the apple care insurance so I won't worry about it's robustness.
- davidf18 10y agoYou have 14 days to return it if you purchased it at an Apple Store which I guess you already know. I forgot to add that because the unit does not have a fan it will warm up if used outside on a warm/hot day and shut down needing to cool down, at least according to someone who otherwise likes his MacBook (sorry don't know which year).
- snsr 10y agoThey're fantastic machines; I too was skeptical initially. The hinge friction feels loose but your positioning sticks. Key action feels impossibly shallow initially, but it's surprisingly rewarding once accustomed.
- andy_ppp 10y agoI want to be able to integrate command line tools with the Touch Bar to (finally) teach myself vi properly (think vi cheat sheet showing current mode etc.). Is there anyway we can have the terminal integrate closely with the Touch Bar - and more importantly programs within it inform the toolbar of their state? Currently this looks impossible because it looks like the Touch Bar is only changed by the focused window.
- fdomig 10y agoSo I still have not found an answer on what is the real replacement for a MacBook Pro 15" for a professional developer these days? I cannot believe the Dell XPS or some Lenovos are the sole options out there targeted towards developers. I want something, with good battery life, looking nice and having >16GB RAM, a decent screen & keyboard and not being too heavy. Any suggestions?
- rayiner 10y agoI haven't found one. Lenovo has no quad core 15" and the XPS 15 has pretty bad battery life in the 4K model.
- jpalomaki 10y agoLenovo has P50. Quad core, 15", 64GB max, but not slim. The only other viable Lenovo quad core is T460p. But that's 14"and probably screen is quite bad compared to Macbook. Max memory is 32GB. HP has ZBook 15, which might be worth checking.
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- stcredzero 10y agoI see what you did there.
- Xixi 10y agoI'm not sure I understand the hate for this MacBook Pro on HN. To be fair I never quite understood the now defunct Apple love on HN either. I think this new MacBook Pro is actually a very decent laptop [1], if a tad expensive. I mean I actually carry my laptop a lot, and not in a car since I'm a mere pedestrian (and formerly cyclist, used to bike to work 30 minutes each way every day carrying my laptop in my backpack, now I just walk to work). I always dreamed of a MacBook Pro the size of a MacBook. I've never bought a MacBook Pro because previous models were too bulky, but this model is a pretty solid compromise. I'm waiting to try it before buying it, but it looks almost perfect. A tad too heavy still, and obviously expensive... [1] I really dislike the pro moniker: being a pro is not a function of what you do with your tools, but of whether you are paid (or aim at being paid) to do it. There are many non-pro that need very high end specs (e.g. for video editing, playing games, enjoying VR experiences, etc.), and plenty of pro that really just want to send an email, tweak an Excel spreadsheet, or write an Elixir app. Nothing that would require an overspec beast.
- vaishaksuresh 10y agoThe pro moniker with most equipment means that somebody who makes money from using such equipment will likely use it. Cameras also use similar distinction. Everybody using a full-frame camera is not a professional, but most professionals use a full-frame camera.
- Xixi 10y agoBut most professionals are not using "Pro" laptops. They use basic consumer laptops, because they don't have the need for anything else: it runs Outlook, Excel and IE fine. A professional photographer probably has higher computer requirements than most professionals, for that matter. And yet when they needed end of line MacPro/Power Mac a decade ago, the photographers that I know are very happy with oldish iMacs these days. My very own example: Tomotcha. An old MacBook Air from 2011 is way more than I need to research teas, buy some, write blog posts or answer to customers. It's also enough to work on the underlying Python 3 codebase (not that it's very long). That's just one usage of my computer, but it certainly qualifies as pro.
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- ajeet_dhaliwal 10y agoWell that's that then. They will be emboldened and there won't be the changes I would have liked. Either get onboard or Windows/Linux. A pity.
- dman 10y agoApple would do well to ignore the immediate success / failure of the macbook pro line. When your ecosystem reaches a tipping point there is a lag before the inadequacy of your product starts showing up in the bottomline in terms of units sold. Think of Microsoft in the early 2000s, by every financial metric they were delivering, but somewhere a crowd of silent power users muttering under their breath was growing.
- addicted 10y agoYeah. Blackberry's sales reached a peak a couple of years after the iPhone was released.
- nikcub 10y agoThe Mac Pro is competing against the sum of those other laptops. iOS vs Android isn't broken down per device and it shouldn't apply to laptops either. A better indicator would be comparing total sales with previous Pro models (not just online sales) - and we won't have that until the next quarter There's also likely to be a lag in sales as developers consider their options over the next upgrade cycle (that is exactly the situation I find myself in).
- murukesh_s 10y agoIs there any stats on how much % is touchbar vs without touchbar sales?
- Kurtz79 10y agoThe best laptop I ever had was an i5 2010 Macbook Air (paid about 1000€ at the time). Reasonably fast, incredibly think and light, instant wake-from-sleep, great screen (for the time), great trackpad, decent keyboard, long battery life. Having owned previously only bulky Windows laptops (I still have nightmares about a company-issued 17' Sony Vaio, heavy as heck and with the grand total of 30 mins battery life), it was a joy to use. When the screen cracked I was heartbroken, decided that somehow I needed more power and splurged for an i7 2013 15' Retina Macbook Pro with dedicated graphics. Apart from the gorgeous screen, I cannot think of any real benefit I got over the previous model: - More USB ports ? I only used the occasional USB drive on the road, when at home I always use the single port of my hub with mouse/keyboard/ext.drive attached. - Faster CPU ? It was noticeable when compiling big projects or very specific things like video conversion, but 90% of the time spent "developing", I'm just looking at code in an editor. - More RAM ? Ditto. Never felt that the Air was slow or unresponsive due to lack of RAM, at least for my use cases. - Faster GPU? The main reason was gaming, but mobile GPUs are a far cry from their desktop counterparts, and under sustained load it is throttling all the time anyway. Of course it might be just Apple's fault, but I cannot say that my previous experience with Windows Laptops was any different. What I lost in exchange was portability. Not that the 2013 15' Pro is bulky, but I could casually drop the Air in my backpack without really feeling it, and open it during my commute if I felt like it. I could use it on the couch, in bed, when traveling. Now the competition has catched up, and there seems to be great Windows laptops that are a serious alternative to Macbooks. Regardless, it is clear to me that my main priority for a LAPTOP is portability and construction quality. I'm fine with reasonable compromises in terms of speed, screen, keyboard. I really don't care about number of ports, upgradeability. This long and boring post to make the point that different people have different requirements, if your personal ones differ from what Apple is offering, there are plenty of alternatives nowadays, all the drama is difficult to swallow, for me.
- flipside101 10y agothis isnt a surprise for one reason , its the first hardware updatebin what 3 years
- rbcgerard 10y agoConsidering how many people are already part of the apple ecosystem (iPhone, itunes, iPad, watch) it makes sense as staying within the ecosystem has real ease of use benefits.
- oldmanjay 10y agoWhat emotion is it that makes people feel such a deep need to complain that everything isn't made specifically to meet their needs?
- intopieces 10y agoThe human need for validation. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3139812/laptop-computers/after-protest-lenovo-brings-linux-compatibility-to-yoga-900-and-900s.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/3139812/laptop-computers/afte...
- oldmanjay 10y agoI don't understand what the link has to do with anything but the answer makes sense and for whatever reason I had a blind spot about it.
- intopieces 10y agoThe point of the link is: complaining works.
- oldmanjay 10y agoThat wasn't the point of my question. I'm well aware complaining works, but I often do not understand why people feel the need to complain in the first place, particularly in situations such as this when the complaints are literally entirely from imagination.
- ivanhoe 10y agoThis thread starts to sound awfully like The Four Yorkshiremen Sketch: - 16GB you say? And I've got just 4GB and no heating in the apartment... - Apartment? I'm programming with 16 bytes of RAM and sleep in a cardboard box on street
- Raphmedia 10y agoRemember that a lot of users were in need a new computer and patiently waited for the newest Apple product.
- dep_b 10y agoRemember, these numbers are for the US. Europe and especially the UK got hit with a massive price increase.
- touristtam 10y agothe usual USD-GBP/EUR price parity.
- ape4 10y agoIts a bit like Trump getting elected. If you were a certain bumble you thought it was impossible.
- smokey_the_bear 10y agoI am super happy with my MacBook Air for my laptop. I only do light development on it. I use an iMac + external monitor for real development, but I would really love if Apple just made a normal desktop, so I could choose the two monitors I want most, and upgrade the desktop separately. Xcode and Android Studio are both major resource hogs. I am currently using 18.96 GB out of 24.
- some1else 10y agoI think 16GB of RAM disappears fast, once you start running clusters of containers with intricate stacks
- sarveshseri 10y agoMBP used to be best(or the one of the best) developer laptops. And probably still are (if that touch-bar is removed) although over priced. The quality of MBP's aside, the coffee-shop hanging cult of Apple will buy even anything with an Apple logo faster than you can say "touch-bar and over-priced".
- heisenbit 10y agoIt is worth remembering that Revenue != Number of machines