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The fact that you're talking about $650k - $700k being in your price range means that you're doing better than a lot of people.

by pyre 10y ago

Ductapemaster 10y ago
While it may be true that the OP is "doing well" salary wise, your comment detracts from the point he is making. just because someone makes a lot of money doesn't mean that their problems are any less valid.
- yequalsx 10y ago
  I think it is more OP calling the world mad when $6000,000NZ is the price range for a "decent" house. Heck, even the ability to move to another country is luxury enough. The 1% calling crazy what the 0.1% do is laughable to most I presume. I'm in the 1% so I'm not sure how the 80% really view such comments but I imagine it's farcical to them.
  - AvenueIngres 10y ago
    OP is upper middle class, at best. Let's not use rethoric that would only apply to people that are actually considerably wealthy regardless of the comparative entity you choose to rank them against i.e billionaires and millionaires. A couple trying to buy a nice house with their combined salaries isn't insane. In particular when that is the norm they were used to and who is slowly disintegrating.
    - yequalsx 10y ago
      In terms of purchasing power for the world they are not upper middle class. They are in the higher eschalons in terms of wealth and economic means. I don't decry their plight but rather seek to put context to it. People in their income bracket have driven up land and housing prices in Belize, Costa Rica, Panama, Thailand, and elsewhere. That didn't make the world crazy in their eyes but having prices driven up in Auckland did. That perspective is crazy.
    - hexane360 10y ago
      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/16/are-you-in-the-global-middle-class-find-out-with-our-income-calculator/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/16/are-you-in-t... $80,000 USD for 4 people is "High Income" globally.
  - te_chris 10y ago
    600k NZD is mad, in my life experience. It's a crazy amount of money compared to average incomes in NZ - especially for a house that likely needs work.
- akvadrako 10y ago
  Of course it does. People with money have options - they have no excuses for not being comfortable with their life. The poor guy can only choose among a few places on earth to live, needs to work a lot and will have a hard time surviving otherwise. This complaining guy can live basically anywhere or could have been living at the level of the poor guy and retire after a few years of earning his 99th percentile income. I just can't fathom the mindset of people who think they deserve to live a high society lifestyle. Their position is FAPP strictly better than 99% of people currently alive on Earth.
  - pc86 10y ago
    Standard of living is relative but largely local/regional. Saying that everyone in NZ has it made because they should just be happy they weren't born in Bangladesh or something is incredibly short-sighted.
    - Nydhal 10y ago
      Thinking on a global scale is the literal opposite of short-sightedness.
pinot 10y ago
Those are median prices in the area.
wavefunction 10y ago
It seems explicit that $650k is not in the poster's price range, but they offer those valuations as examples of the lower end or nicer housing options available.
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AvenueIngres 10y ago
Is that the metric you want to choose to decide how happy you should be about a given situation? Comparative performance with people in the same demographic and income range seems a lot better. Otherwise you can pretty argue ad absurdum that yeah, you aren't starving, you aren't dead so everything is good! R-r...right?
- tudorw 10y ago
  well, the reality is that level of optimism is required for the 800 million people living on a dollar a day, and if they can do it then perhaps those more fortunate could learn something there, as the Somalian I met said, 'nobody promised me tomorrow', or the popular 'yesterday was better than today, and today will be better than tomorrow'...
  - AvenueIngres 10y ago
    Oh please, I am barely holding back my tears. Is that unreasonable for people to improve their living conditions and be disappointed when those don't even match the ones of their parents? Or should they just accept the extreme poverty threshold as the sole upper bound required to be content about their lives.
    - hueving 10y ago
      Ok, if you go that route, don't complain about rich people wanting more and more. They are just "improving their living conditions".
      - AvenueIngres 10y ago
        >don't complain about rich people wanting more and more. I don't. That's the basic human thing to do and harnessing that greed has lifted billions of people out of poverty.
        hueving 10y ago
gthtjtkt 10y ago
He didn't say that's his price range, he said those are the prices. Big difference.
jly 10y ago
The median home price in Auckland is > NZ$1M. He is saying a house he would refuse to buy costs $700k. Unfortunately for those in many industries, Auckland is one of the few viable options for those that want to live in New Zealand and have access to a good job market. It has effectively priced out many from owning a home, even those earning a good income.

The fact that you're talking about $650k - $700k being in your price range means that you're doing better than a lot of people.

by pyre 10y ago

The fact that you're talking about $650k - $700k being in your price range means that you're doing better than a lot of people.

Ductapemaster 10y ago

While it may be true that the OP is "doing well" salary wise, your comment detracts from the point he is making. just because someone makes a lot of money doesn't mean that their problems are any less valid.

yequalsx 10y ago
I think it is more OP calling the world mad when $6000,000NZ is the price range for a "decent" house. Heck, even the ability to move to another country is luxury enough. The 1% calling crazy what the 0.1% do is laughable to most I presume. I'm in the 1% so I'm not sure how the 80% really view such comments but I imagine it's farcical to them.
- AvenueIngres 10y ago
  OP is upper middle class, at best. Let's not use rethoric that would only apply to people that are actually considerably wealthy regardless of the comparative entity you choose to rank them against i.e billionaires and millionaires. A couple trying to buy a nice house with their combined salaries isn't insane. In particular when that is the norm they were used to and who is slowly disintegrating.
  - yequalsx 10y ago
    In terms of purchasing power for the world they are not upper middle class. They are in the higher eschalons in terms of wealth and economic means. I don't decry their plight but rather seek to put context to it. People in their income bracket have driven up land and housing prices in Belize, Costa Rica, Panama, Thailand, and elsewhere. That didn't make the world crazy in their eyes but having prices driven up in Auckland did. That perspective is crazy.
  - hexane360 10y ago
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/16/are-you-in-the-global-middle-class-find-out-with-our-income-calculator/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/16/are-you-in-t... $80,000 USD for 4 people is "High Income" globally.
- te_chris 10y ago
  600k NZD is mad, in my life experience. It's a crazy amount of money compared to average incomes in NZ - especially for a house that likely needs work.
akvadrako 10y ago
Of course it does. People with money have options - they have no excuses for not being comfortable with their life. The poor guy can only choose among a few places on earth to live, needs to work a lot and will have a hard time surviving otherwise. This complaining guy can live basically anywhere or could have been living at the level of the poor guy and retire after a few years of earning his 99th percentile income. I just can't fathom the mindset of people who think they deserve to live a high society lifestyle. Their position is FAPP strictly better than 99% of people currently alive on Earth.
- pc86 10y ago
  Standard of living is relative but largely local/regional. Saying that everyone in NZ has it made because they should just be happy they weren't born in Bangladesh or something is incredibly short-sighted.
  - Nydhal 10y ago
    Thinking on a global scale is the literal opposite of short-sightedness.

pinot 10y ago

Those are median prices in the area.

wavefunction 10y ago

It seems explicit that $650k is not in the poster's price range, but they offer those valuations as examples of the lower end or nicer housing options available.

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AvenueIngres 10y ago

Is that the metric you want to choose to decide how happy you should be about a given situation? Comparative performance with people in the same demographic and income range seems a lot better. Otherwise you can pretty argue ad absurdum that yeah, you aren't starving, you aren't dead so everything is good! R-r...right?

tudorw 10y ago
well, the reality is that level of optimism is required for the 800 million people living on a dollar a day, and if they can do it then perhaps those more fortunate could learn something there, as the Somalian I met said, 'nobody promised me tomorrow', or the popular 'yesterday was better than today, and today will be better than tomorrow'...
- AvenueIngres 10y ago
  Oh please, I am barely holding back my tears. Is that unreasonable for people to improve their living conditions and be disappointed when those don't even match the ones of their parents? Or should they just accept the extreme poverty threshold as the sole upper bound required to be content about their lives.
  - hueving 10y ago
    Ok, if you go that route, don't complain about rich people wanting more and more. They are just "improving their living conditions".
    - AvenueIngres 10y ago
      >don't complain about rich people wanting more and more. I don't. That's the basic human thing to do and harnessing that greed has lifted billions of people out of poverty.
      - hueving 10y ago

gthtjtkt 10y ago

He didn't say that's his price range, he said those are the prices. Big difference.

jly 10y ago

The median home price in Auckland is > NZ$1M. He is saying a house he would refuse to buy costs $700k. Unfortunately for those in many industries, Auckland is one of the few viable options for those that want to live in New Zealand and have access to a good job market. It has effectively priced out many from owning a home, even those earning a good income.