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How pure is the beer in Germany?
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- fn 10y agoHere: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tDlbieCZ72UJ:www.bbc.com/travel/story/20161027-how-pure-is-the-beer-in-germany+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tDlbieC...
- harryjo 10y agoThat's a strange way of saying "BBC UK's UK monopoly prevents BBC Worldwide from serving UK users"
- velox_io 10y agoWow, I can't believe this website is actually blocked to residents in the UK. "BBC Worldwide (International Site) We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee. It is run commercially by BBC Worldwide, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC, the profits made from it go back to BBC programme-makers to help fund great new BBC programmes. You can find out more about BBC Worldwide and its digital activities at www.bbcworldwide.com."
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- pricechild 10y agoDo people in other countries have to pay to visit the page?
- mikeash 10y agoI didn't have to pay, but it does show me ads.
- brianzelip 10y agoNot in the US, I just read it.
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- jimboj 10y agoWhich is why it is blocked to people in the UK as they already pay the licence fee and therefore aren't allowed to be shown ads by the BBC. It's a bit of a weird situation.
- revelation 10y agoSo they instead.. block the page? Couldn't they just hide the ads?
- shawabawa3 10y agoI think that because the content on the page is produced as commercial content (with the aim to make money on advertising) they can't show the content at all in the UK. (yes it's weird and it's stupid/outdated)
- soneil 10y agoThey already selectively show/hide ads - for example, I'm in the Republic of Ireland, and see ads on the BBC News site. It's a bit more complicated than that. BBC in the UK aren't allowed to operate outside their charter - they're severely restricted in how much they can compete with private commerce. BBC Worldwide is the beeb's commercial arm, who do exactly this - outside the UK, where they're competing fairly as any other commercial venture. So Worldwide aren't allowed to operate within the UK precisely because of the licence fee - it'd be unfair competition. It's not just because they're shown ads - it's simply because the content is produced by their commercial arm, so finds itself on the wrong side of the home/worldwide silo.
- fn 10y agoHere: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tDlbieCZ72UJ:www.bbc.com/travel/story/20161027-how-pure-is-the-beer-in-germany+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tDlbieC...
- growt 10y agoWow, kafka would be proud!
- rublev 10y agoWhy?
- growt 10y agoBecause the situation is absurd or kafkaesque. British citizens who pay for BBC are not allowed to view BBC Worldwide, which is owned by BBC.
- kwhitefoot 10y agoBut they are not paying for BBC Worldwide, if anything BBC Worldwide is subsidizing the UK part of the BBC.
- growt 10y agoNobody is paying for BBC Worldwide (at least to view this article, apart from advertisement). So why not show it to UK citizens? It wouldn't take anything away from BBC or BBC Worldwide. Maybe some more clicks on advertisements from people in the UK, so more revenue. Also if BBC Worldwide is showing content to everybody but UK citizens to subsidize BBC to produce other content for UK citizens, why not show the BBC Worldwide content in the first place (if the goal is to have more content in the UK)?
- deutronium 10y agoThis article from Ron Pattinson - http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/reinheit.htm http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/reinheit.htm provides a number of interesting opinions on the Reinheitsgebot
- fn 10y agogoogle cache for those of you that can't view it: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tDlbieCZ72UJ:www.bbc.com/travel/story/20161027-how-pure-is-the-beer-in-germany+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tDlbieC...
- nom 10y agoI can't imagine that much will change even if they stopped enforcing the Reinheitsgebot all together. Most breweries will probably just continue the way they always did and try out some new products in addition to that. If there is one constant in Germany, it's beer.
- rerx 10y agoI agree that the Reinheitsgebot would most likely be followed for most beers even after its potential annulment, just because there is too much cultural stigma against "unpure" beer. But still, there is more change in German beers than most Germans like to realize. Kölsch for instance, the beverage that defines much of the culture of major parts of the Rhineland region, has only really become popular in the middle of the twentieth century -- despite all the alleged traditions ascribed to it.
- nom 10y agoWow I never would have guessed. Der Schein trügt.
- ginko 10y agoJust take a look at Austria, which doesn't have the Reinheitsgebot in law, but still mostly follows it.
- SippinLean 10y agoThey already repealed Reinheitsgebot to replace it with Biergesetz, which expands the rules.
- evils 10y agoA very misleading and poorly researched article. There are dozens of additives and agents allowed in brewing in Germany, but merely because they don't have to be listed on the label, breweries can uphold the illusion of purity.
- ainiriand 10y agoIf the label says it is bier, it has no additives as far as I know. We should separate the concept of ingredients and additives, which in most cases, are found accidentally and only in traces. Can you enumerate additives allowed in german bier?
- tluyben2 10y agoThere are many chemicals used for cleaning / filtering in bier which technically don't/shouldn't end up in the beer and as such do not have to be listed; also the main ingredients are plants and as such they are fed and sprayed with things that are not ingredients. Pesticides and micro plastics are found in most (all?) German beer but are not direct ingredients so they are not listed.
- rerx 10y agoThat is true, but not the same as an additive put in on purpose.
- evils 10y agoFrom the top of my head, polyvinylpyrrolidone, lactic acid, bentonite and gypsum are on the permitted list. For beers brewed with top fermenting yeast, sugars and artificial sweeteners are permitted as well (I think they do need to be listed, though). Note that all of these are used by brewers intentionally, not just as a side-effect. They are used to clarify or to make water more suitable for brewing.
- drtse4 10y agoNot so pure, see [1] and [2] about glyphosate contamination of some brands. Not really a well researched article, the research linked below is well known in Europe and was discussed in every major news outlet six months ago. Edit: If you disagree, reply, don't just downvote. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-beer-idUSKCN0VY222 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-beer-idUSKCN0VY222 [2] http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/02/25/german-beer-industry-in-shock-over-probable-carcinogen-glyphosate-contamination/ http://sustainablepulse.com/2016/02/25/german-beer-industry-...
- rerx 10y agoVery interesting, as a German beer drinker I always wondered how Bavarian wheat beer could comply with the Reinheitsgebot.
- virtualritz 10y agoThe purity law from Bavaria is not the first one. They found another one, dated 82 years earlier, from a very different Region of Germany. Bavarians were reportedly not amused ... https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fspiegel%2Fprint%2Fd-12771335.html&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...
- agentgt 10y agoI vaguely remember on a beer tour of Sam Adams that its lager is one of the few beers in America that is compliant (I guess allowed to be sold in Germany? Not sure). I really don't mind all the experimenting with American craft beers with the one exception... please stop making ultra IPAs. Ever bar I go to in the Boston area has like four times the number of IPA to other styles (I'm a stout, porter, and sour lover). It's like a competition between the micros of who can shove the most hops in a beer.
- rerx 10y agoImported beers do not need to be brewed according to the Reinheitsgebot. EU legislation only allows discrimination against in-country merchandise.
- beachstartup 10y agoi agree, but you have to understand that people really, really, really like IPA's. they taste good and are generally brewed with high ABV meaning less money spent and less calories for a buzz. this is especially true when eating with your beer.
- michael_h 10y agoHigh IBU IPA's are in fashion. For a few years, it was dark beers - the Darker the Better™. Stouts were king[0]. Then the american pale ale, then the IPA, then double IPA, now triple/quadruple IPAs and bourbon barrel aged everything. Fatigue is setting in - I'm predicting that sours will enjoy a short stint (there's only so far you can push a sour), and then porters will be the next big thing, followed by pilseners and then the cycle starts anew. [0] For the record, Rogue's (not Stone's) Shakespeare Stout is still the kinglord of all beers.
- SippinLean 10y agoHigh IBUs were a few years ago, now it's more about the fruity non-bitter aromas. The Viel famously marketed a "0 IBU" IPA recently.
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- Udo_Schmitz 10y agoThe Reinheitsgebot is more of a myth though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th-f1ztar_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th-f1ztar_U
- dep_b 10y agoI'll have my impure Belgians any day over a pure German beer. Can't wait to go back to Belgium again :) I've tried some trappist style beers from microbreweries but so far they've missed the mark. Even a La Trappe already has a wine like complexity in it's flavours.
- allendoerfer 10y agoI have to admit, I like these laws. You can still brew mostly what you want, it is just that you are not allowed to call it beer. So essentially it is a clear definition what beer is. There are similar rules, which define exactly what confitures, marmalades, cremes, jellies and fruit spreads are and how they differ. Same for drinks. This is awesome for consumers: When you buy "fruit juice" it is actually 100% made out of fruit, not a sugary lemonade. When you buy "Wiener Schnitzel" it will actually be a Wiener Schnitzel (veal not pork). You do not have to look up the ingredients or ask the waiter.