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Nitrous Service Shutdown – November 14th

141 points by stormbrew 10y ago

rezashirazian 10y ago
I always thought Nitrous had more potential as an educational platform as opposed to a remote/cloud based development environment. It's a shame to see this, they had some cool stuff.
- chris_st 10y ago
  Their email about this says they're open sourcing some of it... we'll have to wait and see what, exactly, that is.
ivan_burazin 10y ago
As the founder of Codeanywhere a competitor in the Cloud IDE space this event saddens me. They worked for years trying to change the way people code, but did not make it in the end. Contrary to what people may or may not think, they will be missed.
- williamstein 10y ago
  What's left? c9.io what recently bought by Amazon. There's codenvy still, which is migrating from codenvy.com to codenvy.io for some reason: "The legacy IDE at codenvy.com will be shut down on Friday, November 4th 2016. This is the last phase of our 3 phase sunset for the legacy codenvy.com system (details are below this message). Your account will be automatically migrated to codenvy.io. You will need to reset your password upon first login in that system."
  - ivan_burazin 10y ago
    We are, codeanywhere.com :)
    - williamstein 10y ago
      Yes, got that. But besides you?
      - ivan_burazin 10y ago
        You named them already, that's pretty much it.
      - ksajadi 10y ago
        How about Koding? I always thought of Koding to have a similar proposition. I was looking at their site today and they claim 1,000,000 users on their website. How many developers are in the world? 11 million or so? So about 9% of world developers use Koding and somehow I have missed pretty much all of them.
        williamstein 10y ago
        They might be "exaggerating"...
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        ivan_burazin 10y ago
        Hi Khash :) Yeah but they changed focus a while back. Stated they are no no longer a Cloud IDE.
      - caffeinewriter 10y ago
        There's Codenvy[0], whose beta is built upon Eclipse's new Che[1], which can also be self-hosted. [0]: https://codenvy.com/ https://codenvy.com/ [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/che/ http://www.eclipse.org/che/
      - andmalc 10y ago
        SourceLair, ShiftEdit
      - sideproject 10y ago
  - ChrisKon 10y ago
    There is still sourcelair.com
  - TylerJewell 10y ago
    Codenvy's C3 legacy system is shutting down and merging into codenvy.io, which is a next-generation platform based upon Eclipse Che. We have been running both systems in parallel for about a year now, and this weekend we will merge them together. No matter how hard we tried, we were still getting about 1000 signups for the legacy system / week. The new system gets a lot more, but we just couldn't find a good way to merge the two systems earlier. It would have been nice if the usage of the legacy one had fallen off, but I actually think it kept increasing. So instead of having a really clean transition point, we ended up with three systems: 1. Eclipse Che open source going bonkers. 2. The classic codenvy.com which was growing in usage 3. The new codenvy.io, which was growing as fast as Che. Now we'll just have Eclipse Che and codenvy.io.
  - skuunk1 10y ago
    From a consumer perspective, what's wrong with c9.io being purchased by Amazon? Shouldn't that mean more stability and an acceptance by enterprise of cloud coding?
  - dopeboy 10y ago
    If you're in the EDU space, give repl.it a try. I've met the founders (@amasad & @HayaOdeh on twitter) and they're super passionate about what they're doing.
tekromancr 10y ago
That's really sad. I really liked nitrous, and am still a really big fan of the "hack" button for projects.
ivan_burazin 10y ago
As the founder of Codeanywhere a competitor in the Cloud IDE space this event saddens me. They worked for years trying to change the way people code, but did not make it in the end. Contrary to what people may or may not think, they will be missed.
- Edmond 10y ago
  Another developer tool maker here (crudzilla.com). Quite shocking though,they "appeared" to be doing quite ok.
  - sytse 10y ago
    The big ones left seem to be Koding and Codenvy. Codenvy focuses on Eclipse Che. Koding is focussing more on Dev infrastructure than the online IDE. Even Heroku started as an online IDE. I wonder why online IDEs have such a hard time. I asked in GitLab and everyone said they didn't want to code in a browser for usability reasons. We're therefore exploring running the environment in the cloud but syncing the file system so you can use you local editor https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/22876 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/22876 What do people think? Is this the way to crack to problem and break the online IDE spell?
    - nitrogen 10y ago
      I think you have to ask why a developer would want to use an online IDE, and focus on that. Do online IDEs have a unique value proposition, or are they just another instance of the counterproductive "X but in the cloud!" formula?
      - sytse 10y ago
        I have the feeling that people want to build online IDE's and that management thinks it is a good idea. I've not encountered many developers that like to use it fulltime. One counter example is https://community.nitrous.io/posts/nitrous-io-stories-yehuda-katz-and-tilde-io https://community.nitrous.io/posts/nitrous-io-stories-yehuda...
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benologist 10y ago
I tried Nitrous a few times and thought it was nice, but I kind of feel like it's the wrong decade to start depending on a proprietary dev tool you can't host. Being able to install Cloud9 on your own computer was great if you were xx - xxx ms from a server or offline. Hopefully their software resurfaces with new opportunities when it's open sourced.
welanes 10y ago
Nice no-nonsense shutdown post. I kinda miss the nonsense though. Like why are they shutting down, are they keeping their static-hosting service Pubstorm, and if so, how - at $5 per month - can that be more economical?
- rainboiboi 10y ago
  I'm not sure if it's worth (economically) maintaining Pubstorm though.
garganzol 10y ago
TechCruch piece on this https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/31/cloud-development-platform-nitrous-io-shuts-down/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/31/cloud-development-platform... I would add: don't trust anything you can't reproduce on your air-gapped machine.
chrismbeckett 10y ago
I coded in the cloud full-time for over two years and loved it. I switched back and forth between Cloud9 and Nitrous based on plan changes and new features. The primary reason I switched back to local was for better Cordova debugging and Electron. For web development, it was really nice.
- bhollan 10y ago
  I'm exploring Electron already, so out of curiousity, what did you build with Electron? Any recommendations of a good "starter" app/tutorial/walkthrough?
max0563 10y ago
Well, this is sad. I miss the old Nitrous.io. The new updates they rolled out suck, and now that they are completely shutting down the service I'm just even more disappointed. Back to PythonAnywhere I suppose?
- gpjt 10y ago
  PythonAnywhere dev here -- we'd be very happy to have you back! (Especially if you tell us what made Nitrous a better platform while they were still operating.)
cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
What was the value proposition of this (and other services that are still alive)? We can already use git to store code in the cloud AND do so only when we want to. Was it the containerized environment? Even in that case why wouldn't they provide some sort of "dropbox for coding" type of service instead?
DanielKehoe 10y ago
I recommended Nitrous in my book 'Learn Ruby on Rails.' The service is ideal for beginners who have difficulty installing Rails on their local machines. It's a useful service but I presume they don't make money with the beginner/educational market. It didn't help that they dropped their free tier snd then brought it back months later. Sorry to see them go.
- bphogan 10y ago
  I moved everything to c9.io for my Rails book and workshop for the same reason.
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orbitingpluto 10y ago
I've been happily using the nitrous.io service for 2 months to play around with Meteor. It is a great service. I quickly defaulted to the shell with tmux rather than using the IDE. Hosting was only $19/month which hit the sweet spot between shared hosting and a VPS. Shared hosting for Meteor is not an option as a 'meteor update' always runs out of memory and gets killed for using too many resources. You can upload a config, but this is unwieldy and is antithetical to the whole point of Meteor.
rajat1saxena 10y ago
I've read many comments on this thread regarding usability and value-prop of online IDEs. Here are some points from a perspective of a developer who was relying heavily on Nitrous. 1. I was able to patch my production apps from anywhere. 2. I was able to deploy my apps, in-case my hosting service provider decided to reboot the servers while I was at home, away from my development machines. 3. I was able to build new features, on alternate git branches, while enjoying at home with my family. 4. I was able to host new features, from a development branch, and let my colleagues provide real-time feedback. I am one of the developers who will be crippled if online IDEs like Nitrous go away.
- VLM 10y ago
  I do that all now with a mixture of rdesktop/rdp and SSH and occasionally Emacs tramp mode over a VPN. Basically if I have my local emacs I can use it even when the dev, test and prod servers are 1000 miles away, and if I don't have my emacs (on my tablet or something) then its rdesktop/rdp and run my IDE remotely. My current employer is pretty chill with all my machines being 1000 miles away in a corporate national data center, but is not chill with the idea that some 3rd party will host the critical development path and connectivity could disappear at their whim. Its the classic "cost too low" problem for PaaS. My code, no matter how important it is to me or my employer, cannot be worth more than $39/mo to Nitrous in some kind of worst case scenario. Actually its only worth their cost of sales to replace me, which might be higher or lower, but certainly isn't a lot of money. On the other hand my management team can escalate a locally hosted problem such that a big enough problem might in theory cost multiple sysadmins their job, maybe their boss too, lets say a max of $500K/yr if multiple people got fired for over the top gross misconduct. That means my boss has AT LEAST a thousand times more leverage in case of problems with self hosted vs PaaS. There's a big difference between "eh $40 here, $40 there, who cares about that trouble ticket" and "our shared veep said you'd fix ticket #24153 before going home today or you're unemployed". "I don't care if your total budget is $10M/yr or a thousand people are sitting down waiting until its fixed, you're only worth $40/mo to me and not a penny more, tough luck". I mean, seriously, 14 days warning? I've taken longer than two week vacations. Imagine coming back from a long vacation and trying to log in to get some work done and finding out everything was wiped a week ago, LOL.
ryhamz 10y ago
I'll admit I haven't seen the editor since summer '14, but it was honestly shit then. The only thing I saw it used for was abstracting away environment setup for kids at a high school coding bootcamp, which I can forgive because it was only like 10 days. I'd be suspicious of anyone using something similar professionally. 1 day of environment setup is nothing in the context of a professional project. The editor didn't even indent for me properly.
tylerlh 10y ago
Sorry to hear this. I always thought Nitrous had a pretty nice platform compared to other cloud IDEs and Peter is a great guy that was building some cool stuff. Wishing the folks at Nitrous all the best in whatever comes next.
49531 10y ago
A couple years ago when I was first learning to code all I could afford was a cheap chromebook and nitrous enabled me to learn and grow as an engineer with very little barrier of entry. I am sad they're shutting down, but more for sentimental reasons, I haven't used nitrous in over a year and once they dropped their freemium version I couldn't convince myself to come up with the cash to use them.
newsat13 10y ago
Will they be providing PRs to reomve all the nitrous button links in so many open source projects?
znpy 10y ago
I am excited by the possibility to host your own Nitrous instance. I don't know about their backend stack, but imho this is the kind of project that could/should go under the umbrella of the Apache Foundation. It could be a serious competitor to web-base version of Eclipse.
amelius 10y ago
Another reminder to not let your business depend on the cloud :/
roberdam 10y ago
I have been a daily user of nitrous since February 2014, the news hurts like a punch in the stomach, thanks to them I started programming again after a 15 year break. It feels as if a dear friend and office mate was diagnosed with 15 days of life. Such a bummer, Hope the best for the team.
dopeboy 10y ago
We trialed Nitrous with our kids at ScriptEd (after school coding non-profit) a couple years ago. Their free tier was leaps and bounds above Cloud9. Sad to see them go.
JamesDrummond 10y ago
Let me start by stating I am the release manager for Codenvy and Che. When trying to decide if a cloud IDE is right for you like so many things in life "It depends". A local IDE probably works "fine" for most single developers or small teams. Developers that have been using a certain local IDE may find that it is better to stick with it than to invest time in learning about and how to use a cloud IDE. Also certain program development can only be done with specific local IDE software. Codenvy is trying to fit into as many developer needs as we can but we know we will not always be right for everyone. However, Codenvy and Che does have advantages over local IDEs. The biggest in my opinion is having a consistent programming environment that can be distributed quickly. We leverage the use of Docker in creating workspaces that run machine(s) which are Docker containers. Source code, compilers, debuggers and executables are all "contained" in the same runtime environment. This means consistency in compiling, executing and debugging. When a developer get's something to work successfully others will be able to do the same consistently. Also, transitioning from development environment to production in most cases is more consistent and faster if your production environment uses or can use Docker containers in production. Running the IDE on a dedicated server also can increase compile performance and reduce local machine hardware requirements. One special advantage that Che and Codenvy over traditional IDE's is some embedded systems. A developer could include a built-in IDE in their embedded system. When the embedded system is connected to a network the developer could use Codenvy or Che to directly reprogram the device using the device's ipaddress and a web browser. Downside to having the IDE on the embedded system though is processing power but could work in some cases. Alternatively, a cross compile development environment could be setup with Che and Codenvy that could upload the binary/assembly to the embedded device after compiling. This is actually what we are doing Samsung's Artik development board with the Artik IDE. On the topic of leaving a developer "high and dry" if the product fails, is why open source is a good idea for an IDE. Open sourcing Che, which Codenvy is built on, ensures that the product has the ability to live on without us if for some reason Codenvy fails. Not only is Che open sourced but is part of the Eclipse foundation. This is a great topic and glad to see all the interest. It's good to see what developers feel about and want from cloud IDE's.

141 points by stormbrew 10y ago

I always thought Nitrous had more potential as an educational platform as opposed to a remote/cloud based development environment. It's a shame to see this, they had some cool stuff.

chris_st 10y ago
Their email about this says they're open sourcing some of it... we'll have to wait and see what, exactly, that is.

ivan_burazin 10y ago

As the founder of Codeanywhere a competitor in the Cloud IDE space this event saddens me. They worked for years trying to change the way people code, but did not make it in the end. Contrary to what people may or may not think, they will be missed.

williamstein 10y ago
What's left? c9.io what recently bought by Amazon. There's codenvy still, which is migrating from codenvy.com to codenvy.io for some reason: "The legacy IDE at codenvy.com will be shut down on Friday, November 4th 2016. This is the last phase of our 3 phase sunset for the legacy codenvy.com system (details are below this message). Your account will be automatically migrated to codenvy.io. You will need to reset your password upon first login in that system."
- ivan_burazin 10y ago
  We are, codeanywhere.com :)
  - williamstein 10y ago
    Yes, got that. But besides you?
    - ivan_burazin 10y ago
      You named them already, that's pretty much it.
    - ksajadi 10y ago
      How about Koding? I always thought of Koding to have a similar proposition. I was looking at their site today and they claim 1,000,000 users on their website. How many developers are in the world? 11 million or so? So about 9% of world developers use Koding and somehow I have missed pretty much all of them.
      - williamstein 10y ago
        They might be "exaggerating"...
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      - ivan_burazin 10y ago
        Hi Khash :) Yeah but they changed focus a while back. Stated they are no no longer a Cloud IDE.
    - caffeinewriter 10y ago
      There's Codenvy[0], whose beta is built upon Eclipse's new Che[1], which can also be self-hosted. [0]: https://codenvy.com/ https://codenvy.com/ [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/che/ http://www.eclipse.org/che/
    - andmalc 10y ago
      SourceLair, ShiftEdit
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- ChrisKon 10y ago
  There is still sourcelair.com
- TylerJewell 10y ago
  Codenvy's C3 legacy system is shutting down and merging into codenvy.io, which is a next-generation platform based upon Eclipse Che. We have been running both systems in parallel for about a year now, and this weekend we will merge them together. No matter how hard we tried, we were still getting about 1000 signups for the legacy system / week. The new system gets a lot more, but we just couldn't find a good way to merge the two systems earlier. It would have been nice if the usage of the legacy one had fallen off, but I actually think it kept increasing. So instead of having a really clean transition point, we ended up with three systems: 1. Eclipse Che open source going bonkers. 2. The classic codenvy.com which was growing in usage 3. The new codenvy.io, which was growing as fast as Che. Now we'll just have Eclipse Che and codenvy.io.
- skuunk1 10y ago
  From a consumer perspective, what's wrong with c9.io being purchased by Amazon? Shouldn't that mean more stability and an acceptance by enterprise of cloud coding?
- dopeboy 10y ago
  If you're in the EDU space, give repl.it a try. I've met the founders (@amasad & @HayaOdeh on twitter) and they're super passionate about what they're doing.

tekromancr 10y ago

That's really sad. I really liked nitrous, and am still a really big fan of the "hack" button for projects.

ivan_burazin 10y ago

Edmond 10y ago
Another developer tool maker here (crudzilla.com). Quite shocking though,they "appeared" to be doing quite ok.
- sytse 10y ago
  The big ones left seem to be Koding and Codenvy. Codenvy focuses on Eclipse Che. Koding is focussing more on Dev infrastructure than the online IDE. Even Heroku started as an online IDE. I wonder why online IDEs have such a hard time. I asked in GitLab and everyone said they didn't want to code in a browser for usability reasons. We're therefore exploring running the environment in the cloud but syncing the file system so you can use you local editor https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/22876 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/22876 What do people think? Is this the way to crack to problem and break the online IDE spell?
  - nitrogen 10y ago
    I think you have to ask why a developer would want to use an online IDE, and focus on that. Do online IDEs have a unique value proposition, or are they just another instance of the counterproductive "X but in the cloud!" formula?
    - sytse 10y ago
      I have the feeling that people want to build online IDE's and that management thinks it is a good idea. I've not encountered many developers that like to use it fulltime. One counter example is https://community.nitrous.io/posts/nitrous-io-stories-yehuda-katz-and-tilde-io https://community.nitrous.io/posts/nitrous-io-stories-yehuda...

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benologist 10y ago

I tried Nitrous a few times and thought it was nice, but I kind of feel like it's the wrong decade to start depending on a proprietary dev tool you can't host. Being able to install Cloud9 on your own computer was great if you were xx - xxx ms from a server or offline. Hopefully their software resurfaces with new opportunities when it's open sourced.

welanes 10y ago

Nice no-nonsense shutdown post. I kinda miss the nonsense though. Like why are they shutting down, are they keeping their static-hosting service Pubstorm, and if so, how - at $5 per month - can that be more economical?

rainboiboi 10y ago
I'm not sure if it's worth (economically) maintaining Pubstorm though.

garganzol 10y ago

TechCruch piece on this https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/31/cloud-development-platform-nitrous-io-shuts-down/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/31/cloud-development-platform... I would add: don't trust anything you can't reproduce on your air-gapped machine.

chrismbeckett 10y ago

I coded in the cloud full-time for over two years and loved it. I switched back and forth between Cloud9 and Nitrous based on plan changes and new features. The primary reason I switched back to local was for better Cordova debugging and Electron. For web development, it was really nice.

bhollan 10y ago
I'm exploring Electron already, so out of curiousity, what did you build with Electron? Any recommendations of a good "starter" app/tutorial/walkthrough?

max0563 10y ago

Well, this is sad. I miss the old Nitrous.io. The new updates they rolled out suck, and now that they are completely shutting down the service I'm just even more disappointed. Back to PythonAnywhere I suppose?

gpjt 10y ago
PythonAnywhere dev here -- we'd be very happy to have you back! (Especially if you tell us what made Nitrous a better platform while they were still operating.)

cocktailpeanuts 10y ago

What was the value proposition of this (and other services that are still alive)? We can already use git to store code in the cloud AND do so only when we want to. Was it the containerized environment? Even in that case why wouldn't they provide some sort of "dropbox for coding" type of service instead?

DanielKehoe 10y ago

I recommended Nitrous in my book 'Learn Ruby on Rails.' The service is ideal for beginners who have difficulty installing Rails on their local machines. It's a useful service but I presume they don't make money with the beginner/educational market. It didn't help that they dropped their free tier snd then brought it back months later. Sorry to see them go.

bphogan 10y ago
I moved everything to c9.io for my Rails book and workshop for the same reason.

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orbitingpluto 10y ago

I've been happily using the nitrous.io service for 2 months to play around with Meteor. It is a great service. I quickly defaulted to the shell with tmux rather than using the IDE. Hosting was only $19/month which hit the sweet spot between shared hosting and a VPS. Shared hosting for Meteor is not an option as a 'meteor update' always runs out of memory and gets killed for using too many resources. You can upload a config, but this is unwieldy and is antithetical to the whole point of Meteor.

rajat1saxena 10y ago

I've read many comments on this thread regarding usability and value-prop of online IDEs. Here are some points from a perspective of a developer who was relying heavily on Nitrous. 1. I was able to patch my production apps from anywhere. 2. I was able to deploy my apps, in-case my hosting service provider decided to reboot the servers while I was at home, away from my development machines. 3. I was able to build new features, on alternate git branches, while enjoying at home with my family. 4. I was able to host new features, from a development branch, and let my colleagues provide real-time feedback. I am one of the developers who will be crippled if online IDEs like Nitrous go away.

VLM 10y ago
I do that all now with a mixture of rdesktop/rdp and SSH and occasionally Emacs tramp mode over a VPN. Basically if I have my local emacs I can use it even when the dev, test and prod servers are 1000 miles away, and if I don't have my emacs (on my tablet or something) then its rdesktop/rdp and run my IDE remotely. My current employer is pretty chill with all my machines being 1000 miles away in a corporate national data center, but is not chill with the idea that some 3rd party will host the critical development path and connectivity could disappear at their whim. Its the classic "cost too low" problem for PaaS. My code, no matter how important it is to me or my employer, cannot be worth more than $39/mo to Nitrous in some kind of worst case scenario. Actually its only worth their cost of sales to replace me, which might be higher or lower, but certainly isn't a lot of money. On the other hand my management team can escalate a locally hosted problem such that a big enough problem might in theory cost multiple sysadmins their job, maybe their boss too, lets say a max of $500K/yr if multiple people got fired for over the top gross misconduct. That means my boss has AT LEAST a thousand times more leverage in case of problems with self hosted vs PaaS. There's a big difference between "eh $40 here, $40 there, who cares about that trouble ticket" and "our shared veep said you'd fix ticket #24153 before going home today or you're unemployed". "I don't care if your total budget is $10M/yr or a thousand people are sitting down waiting until its fixed, you're only worth $40/mo to me and not a penny more, tough luck". I mean, seriously, 14 days warning? I've taken longer than two week vacations. Imagine coming back from a long vacation and trying to log in to get some work done and finding out everything was wiped a week ago, LOL.

ryhamz 10y ago

I'll admit I haven't seen the editor since summer '14, but it was honestly shit then. The only thing I saw it used for was abstracting away environment setup for kids at a high school coding bootcamp, which I can forgive because it was only like 10 days. I'd be suspicious of anyone using something similar professionally. 1 day of environment setup is nothing in the context of a professional project. The editor didn't even indent for me properly.

tylerlh 10y ago

Sorry to hear this. I always thought Nitrous had a pretty nice platform compared to other cloud IDEs and Peter is a great guy that was building some cool stuff. Wishing the folks at Nitrous all the best in whatever comes next.

49531 10y ago

A couple years ago when I was first learning to code all I could afford was a cheap chromebook and nitrous enabled me to learn and grow as an engineer with very little barrier of entry. I am sad they're shutting down, but more for sentimental reasons, I haven't used nitrous in over a year and once they dropped their freemium version I couldn't convince myself to come up with the cash to use them.

newsat13 10y ago

Will they be providing PRs to reomve all the nitrous button links in so many open source projects?

znpy 10y ago

I am excited by the possibility to host your own Nitrous instance. I don't know about their backend stack, but imho this is the kind of project that could/should go under the umbrella of the Apache Foundation. It could be a serious competitor to web-base version of Eclipse.

amelius 10y ago

Another reminder to not let your business depend on the cloud :/

roberdam 10y ago

I have been a daily user of nitrous since February 2014, the news hurts like a punch in the stomach, thanks to them I started programming again after a 15 year break. It feels as if a dear friend and office mate was diagnosed with 15 days of life. Such a bummer, Hope the best for the team.

dopeboy 10y ago

We trialed Nitrous with our kids at ScriptEd (after school coding non-profit) a couple years ago. Their free tier was leaps and bounds above Cloud9. Sad to see them go.

JamesDrummond 10y ago

Let me start by stating I am the release manager for Codenvy and Che. When trying to decide if a cloud IDE is right for you like so many things in life "It depends". A local IDE probably works "fine" for most single developers or small teams. Developers that have been using a certain local IDE may find that it is better to stick with it than to invest time in learning about and how to use a cloud IDE. Also certain program development can only be done with specific local IDE software. Codenvy is trying to fit into as many developer needs as we can but we know we will not always be right for everyone. However, Codenvy and Che does have advantages over local IDEs. The biggest in my opinion is having a consistent programming environment that can be distributed quickly. We leverage the use of Docker in creating workspaces that run machine(s) which are Docker containers. Source code, compilers, debuggers and executables are all "contained" in the same runtime environment. This means consistency in compiling, executing and debugging. When a developer get's something to work successfully others will be able to do the same consistently. Also, transitioning from development environment to production in most cases is more consistent and faster if your production environment uses or can use Docker containers in production. Running the IDE on a dedicated server also can increase compile performance and reduce local machine hardware requirements. One special advantage that Che and Codenvy over traditional IDE's is some embedded systems. A developer could include a built-in IDE in their embedded system. When the embedded system is connected to a network the developer could use Codenvy or Che to directly reprogram the device using the device's ipaddress and a web browser. Downside to having the IDE on the embedded system though is processing power but could work in some cases. Alternatively, a cross compile development environment could be setup with Che and Codenvy that could upload the binary/assembly to the embedded device after compiling. This is actually what we are doing Samsung's Artik development board with the Artik IDE. On the topic of leaving a developer "high and dry" if the product fails, is why open source is a good idea for an IDE. Open sourcing Che, which Codenvy is built on, ensures that the product has the ability to live on without us if for some reason Codenvy fails. Not only is Che open sourced but is part of the Eclipse foundation. This is a great topic and glad to see all the interest. It's good to see what developers feel about and want from cloud IDE's.