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Could an astronaut’s corpse bring new life to another world?
- serg_chernata 10y agoHas anything like this been tried before? Maybe not a corpse, but some other organic matter?
- te_platt 10y agoMaybe, but not on purpose. Nasa goes to great lengths to sterilize probes going to Mars. http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/technology/is_planetary_protection.html http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/technology/is_planetary_protection....
- pmoriarty 10y agoIf Musk's Mars colonization plans come to fruition, all that trouble NASA went to sterilize their Mars probes will be for nothing.
- erispoe 10y agoPrivate parties still have to comply with planetary protection treaties. In fact any colonization plan, or even commercial flight, to Mars (or anywhere else in the solar system) from SpaceX needs to be approved by the US. It's not a free for all out there, space is governed by treaties. That's a big hurdle to colonization and commercial exploitation. Because it means you have to show you're not contaminating alien life. I would be really excited if we find traces of life on Mars but, at the same time, it would probably delay commercial exploitation and colonization for decades...
- flukus 10y agoThey'll have to comply, but they will probably cut corners.
- erispoe 10y agoIt depends what the US allows them to do, the same way you cannot legally "cut corners" with FDA regulations. Obviously you cannot sterilize astronauts. But they could be restrained to landings outside of the special regions, which are the most promising for astrobiology.
- erispoe 10y agoWe don't know if life exists or has existed on other bodies of our solar system, therefore we take great precautions to avoid contamination. Probes are sterilized, and some regions of Mars (Mars Special Regions) are barred from landings, until we can ensure better sterilization of what we send there. It would be a shame to contaminate life samples from other planets with our own before we can study it.
- stevendhansen 10y agoReminds me of a book I recently finished (Death's End by Cixin Liu). A major plot element is sending a human brain to intercept an alien civilization that is en-route to Earth with the hope that the aliens will resurrect the person and use his knowledge establish a better dialog with humanity.
- pavel_lishin 10y agoI recall reading another novel where one of the protagonists was resurrected far, far in the future by a seemingly incomprehensible race. (Little spiders, of sorts.) Unfortunately, due to unfamiliarity with humanity, they did a bad job, and his body only lasted a few minutes before dying again. I wish I could remember what the book was.
- dmreedy 10y agoAt the very least, "poorly reassembled by incomprehensible aliens" is a plot element in the Star Trek TOS pilot. Granted, that character lasted more than a few minutes. And costumes for incomprehensible aliens are expensive, so big veiny heads will do.
- ghayes 10y agoFYI, these is Star Trek's episode "The Managerie" [0], and was original the pilot episode "The Cage" [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Menagerie_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Menagerie_(Star_Trek:_The_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_(Star_Trek:_The_Origi...
- kilroy123 10y agoSounds like a real life version of hell.
- Jtsummers 10y agoRautavarra's Case by PKD is similar. After an accident, an alien race resuscitates one of the [EDIT: human] victims, leading to some interesting consequences related to differing conceptions of the afterlife. Text: http://www.philipkdickfans.com/literary-criticism/rautaavaras-case/ http://www.philipkdickfans.com/literary-criticism/rautaavara... Synopsis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rautavaara%27s_Case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rautavaara%27s_Case Probably not the one you're thinking of, but somewhat related.
- Pica_soO 10y agoEven more interesting, given heat, radiation and chemical energy could this corpse become a alive microcosm, with sped up evolution?
- cbanek 10y agoSimpson's did it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treehouse_of_Horror_VII#.22The_Genesis_Tub.22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treehouse_of_Horror_VII#.22The... Well, except for the space part. I honestly think it could happen. There's also a lot of gut bacteria and other micro-organisms that are alive on their own. I'm wondering more if this spacesuit hit something like a comet, asteroid, or other small body before hitting a planet. If a part of the living ecosystem makes it to a secure nook or gets folded inside of the asteroid, it might survive landing on a planet.
- Pica_soO 10y agoIf it would happen slowly, would a sealing agent bacteria appear?
- DiThi 10y ago> Well, except for the space part. Well, Futurama did it again, this time in space. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfellas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfellas
- cbanek 10y agoOh god you're so right. And that was a brilliant episode. Well played.
- mrspeaker 10y agoTo further quote South Park: "Everything was already done even before the Simpsons. In fact that was just a rip off of an old Twilight Zone episode". (I'm not sure if it really was, but sounds plausable!)
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- garaetjjte 10y agohttps://what-if.xkcd.com/134/ https://what-if.xkcd.com/134/
- andreapaiola 10y agoStar Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984)
- adekok 10y agoI can't find it now, but I recall an article which simulated interstellar transit times for asteroids. The conclusion was that something like the dinosaur killer asteroid could throw rocks into orbit. After 100M years, some of those rocks could have reached other solar systems (i.e alpha centauri) Given that life on Earth is ~4 billion years old, there's good reason to be believe we've seeded rocks across a sphere ~100 or more light years across. Whether those rocks reach another solar system is another question. Space is big, and even giant killer rocks are tiny.
- api 10y agoOne of my favorite admittedly speculative evolutionary informatics papers agrees with you: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/513781/moores-law-and-the-origin-of-life/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/513781/moores-law-and-the...
- theparanoid 10y agoIt's probably true. The earliest rocks on earth show signs of life.
- api 10y ago"Life originated on Earth" is probably the last remaining geocentrism. Literally every other geocentrism has fallen. My prediction is that this one will fall this century, probably with the discovery of simple microbial life elsewhere in the solar system followed by the genetic confirmation of common ancestry. My favorite definition of life (courtesy of Dr. Christoph Adami and others in evolutionary informatics) is that life is a "phase of matter in which Turing-complete information processing dominates ordinary matter/energy dynamics." A phase of matter means exactly what it sounds like-- solid, liquid gas, life-- though life would be more of a rare exotic phase like a superfluid or a Bose-Einstein condensate or neutron star stuff (whatever that's called). I seem to recall him or one of his colleagues playing with terms like "computonium" or "Turium" (Turing-complete matter) for life. Most phases of matter are found all over the place in the universe, but some places in the universe are more hospitable for some than others. Stars are great for plasma. Gas giants are full of gas. Cold icy outer planets are the ideal abodes of solids. Life, like other phases, is probably ubiquitous but Earth just happens to be a place that is peculiarly hospitable to it and a lot of it is found there. That's likely because it's at the edge of many phase boundaries (the water cycle, etc.) and it's been shown that Turing-completeness occurs in systems close to phase boundaries: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~turk/bio_sim/articles/langton_edge_of_chaos.pdf http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~turk/bio_sim/articles/langton_edge...
- pjmorris 10y agoI read a 'Last Man on Earth' short story in an SF anthology with, essentially, this premise. At the end of the story, the exhausted person dies while sitting on the edge of the sea... only to seed the next round of life from all of the lifeforms and organic materials contained therein. Creepy, heady stuff for a preteen. This was the 70's, so the idea has been around awhile.
- fnbr 10y agoDo you remember the book? I'd be interested in reading that.
- pjmorris 10y agoVerDeTerre came through, above. I read it in an anthology in the children's section of the public library (another good reason for public libraries), but the anthology title is long lost to /dev/null.
- diggernet 10y agoMy guess: Adventures in Time and Space https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventures_in_Time_and_Space https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventures_in_Time_and_Space My absolute favorite book growing up. Re-read it countless times. Highly recommended.
- pjmorris 10y agoKiller, killer anthology. The anthology I read was shorter, but that's ignorable... everybody should go find a copy of 'Adventures in Time and Space', it's a classic full of classics.
- VerDeTerre 10y agoSounds like Alfred Bester's "Adam and No Eve" from 1941. It's included in https://www.amazon.com/Virtual-Unrealities-Fiction-Alfred-Bester/dp/0679767835 https://www.amazon.com/Virtual-Unrealities-Fiction-Alfred-Be...
- happy-go-lucky 10y agoBecause of their resilience, tardigrades come to mind :)
- jakebasile 10y agoThis is an interesting concept and has been explored in fiction before, most recently (to my knowledge) in Prometheus. Not the best film, stunning cinematography but lacking good writing, but had a similar premise.
- eth0up 10y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia After many sessions, my past-life-regression therapist and I agreed that I was once a very powerful and influential tardigrade on a glorious faraway planet and that given the prognosis of humanity, I may be once again, but there's more competition this time.
- api 10y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFkcAH-m9W0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFkcAH-m9W0
- eth0up 10y agoMan, I wish you lived in my neighborhood with that sense of humor. Seeing Johnny Cash say "I may simply be a single drop of rain", but "I'll remain" and "be back again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again...." had me heaving in a mixture of jovial convulsions and sincere frustration with this dadgum relativity conundrum that ultimately tears us all apart. Brings me to wonder; how many planets might Johnny Cash have thrilled with his reasonably excellent tunes? I just hope that Earth wasn't the only planet in the void to incur the equivalent wrath of Cash + Danzig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWUY57ar18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWUY57ar18 PS: I think it would be perfectly reasonable to have a permanent national Mount Nelson, in approximate accordance with the video in which the concept thereof was reasonably placed slightly above the local peak. I mean, humanity always transcends its circumstances. Why not Willie?
- miles 10y agoReading through some of your other comments, I'm convinced you were P.G. Wodehouse last time around. Seriously though, do you write anywhere else online? Great stuff.
- eth0up 10y agoIf you've any connections with academic (cognitive) psychological research opportunities, e.g [1], I might know someone with uncanny 'relations' to the aforementioned (and others). 1. http://dbem.ws/ http://dbem.ws/
- dear 10y ago...Prometheus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(2012_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(2012_film)
- svenhenrik 10y agoSo where do I sign up to have my corpse sent to Mars after I die?
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- thom 10y agoStephen Baxter's Titan (a fairly bleak novel but not totally outlandish given current world events) ends with astronauts that long ago perished on Titan being resurrected by the sentient race that eventually evolves there. In preparation for the death of our star, they are preparing a rocket to send genetic matter from our solar system to other parts of the galaxy, in some way continuing our lineage.
- jejones3141 10y agoIsaac Asimov, "Founding Father". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Father_(short_story) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Father_(short_story)
- squarefoot 10y agoPlants are faster to duplicate. Assuming the astronaut falls on a world with air and water, if s/he ate some vegetable food containing seeds before dying, they could grow on soil fed by his decaying body. The question then would be: what happens when all nutrients from the body are depleted?