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Kodak Ektra
- ams6110 10y agoI honestly thought Kodak was out of business.
- simonsarris 10y agoTheir "Specs" link at the bottom 404s! Ow. Much more info in this blog post: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/Consumer/Press_Center/KODAK_EKTRA_Smartphone_is_Designed_for_Photographers_from_Enthusiasts_to_Experts/default.htm http://www.kodak.com/US/en/Consumer/Press_Center/KODAK_EKTRA... KODAK EKTRA Smartphone key features: * ANDROID 6.0 (Marshmallow) * Professional results from a 21MP fast focus camera sensor with F2.0, PDAF, OIS, Dual LED Flash * 13MP phase detection auto focus front-facing camera with F2.2 PDAF * Helio X20 2.3GHz Decacore processor with 3GB RAM * 32GB memory, expandable with MicroSD cards * Advanced Manual Mode – adjustable on Exposure, ISO, Focal Length (Manual/Auto), White Balance, Shutter Speed, Aperture (fixed f2.0 main camera) * Familiar scene selection dial experience – includes scene modes Smart Auto, Portrait, Manual, Sports, Bokeh, * Night-time, HDR, Panorama, Macro, Landscape, Film / Video * Integrated high quality printing app * Super 8 Video Recorder * Integrated social media sharing * 3000mAh, with USB 3.0 Type C fast charger Edit: Another separate product page, this one has a WORKING "before/after" panorama example: http://www.kodakphones.com/ektra/ http://www.kodakphones.com/ektra/ Edit 2: Their "super 8" is just a filter. Scroll down on the page above to see. Their web content is really disjointed...
- gwbas1c 10y agoDoes it have a standard 3.5mm headphone jack?
- simonsarris 10y agoYes: http://www.kodak.com/KodakGCG/uploadedImages/Consumer/Products/EKTRA/EKTRA_Smartphone/EKTRA_3.jpg http://www.kodak.com/KodakGCG/uploadedImages/Consumer/Produc...
- Animats 10y ago"Super 8 video recorder?" The big plastic thing around the small lens to Make It Look Like A Camera is kind of silly.
- achamayou 10y agoNo word on the either the size of the sensor nor the focal length of the lens. Not what you would expect from a camera announcement...
- brudgers 10y agoSensor size is the big one since that will determine signal to noise ratio and ultimately the end result for any given computation.
- dingaling 10y agoIt is definitely a Sony sensor, thought to be the previous-gen IMX230 ( same as in the Experia Z4 and iPhone 6). So that's 1/2.4 inches, or 5.92x4.57mm. Pretty much standard fare for Chinese mid-tier Mediatek phones. For comparison the famous Nokia 808 had a 1/1.2 inch sensor, 10.67x8.00mm.
- soared 10y agoI was pretty interested in this, but $550 seems to steep. What is that price point supposed to compete with? To low for iphone/pixel, too high for many other android phones.
- brudgers 10y agoThat's at the low end of 'flagship phone' list price and I take $550 as a list price. If demand is high, then it will hold for a while. For a person who is buying a phone in part around their interest in the quality of the camera and assuming the camera performs well, then it may be worth a premium.
- Endy 10y agoI think it's meant to compete with Kodak DSLR cameras.
- Sanddancer 10y agoKodak sold their last DSLR a decade ago. Which is a shame, because they were the ones that pretty much invented the field.
- ramgorur 10y agoI don't think 550$ is too steep, if you compare with phones like samsung s7 (670$), huwaei p9 (500$), 1plus3 (600$).
- wtfishackernews 10y agoThe oneplus 3 is $400, but I agree.
- PascLeRasc 10y agoDecacore? I've never heard of Helio SOCs but I really wonder about the cores race of Android SOCs these days. Are heavier apps these days really multi-threaded?
- busterarm 10y agohttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/10/kodak-ektra-price-specs-release-date/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/10/kodak-ektra-price-spe...
- notatoad 10y agodid i miss something on the kodak site, or did they forget to mention that it's a smartphone? Or did ars get that wrong? reading through the full marketing page linked at the top here, i don't see any indication that it's anything other than a digital camera running android.
- burke 10y ago> Introducing Kodak's professional-quality, photography-first smartphone.
- LiquidInsect 10y agoScroll down just a bit: "Introducing Kodak's professional-quality, photography-first smartphone."
- 1_2__3 10y agoIt's not just you, I had to hunt to figure out WTF was going on. I thought at first it was a phone case that doubled as a camera.
- OJFord 10y ago> Edit photos anywhere with Snapseed™ The "before" and "after" images [0] are completely different photographs! [0]: http://www.kodak.com/KodakGCG/uploadedImages/Consumer/Products/EKTRA/EKTRA_Smartphone/Snapseed_Comparison.png http://www.kodak.com/KodakGCG/uploadedImages/Consumer/Produc...
- simonsarris 10y agoIt's a continuation of scene. I think they were attempting a panorama where half was "before" and half was after, but the subject and feel of each side of the pano is just so different, that it hardly has a comparison effect! For a true before/after, see these images: http://kp.kinsta.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/before.jpg http://kp.kinsta.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/before.jpg http://kp.kinsta.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/after.jpg http://kp.kinsta.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/after.jpg
- satysin 10y agoEww that looks like the kind of thing you find in reddit's shitty HDR sub.
- heywire 10y agoAgreed, the "before" picture looks so much more natural.
- wl 10y agoIt's not bad tone mapping, which is what most people think of when they think of shitty HDR. It's sharpening and increasing local contrast. This particular effect can also be created in Lightroom by pushing the "clarity" slider too far to the right.
- artursapek 10y agoYeah, it's completely backwards. I thought we were past Instagram filters, but now Kodak is trying to build it into their camera?
- exelius 10y agoDidn't Nokia try this already? I'm pretty sure the camera world has settled into two kinds of cameras: cell phones for people who just need to take a few snaps, and DSLRs for people who need more features than can possibly fit in a cameraphone (flash hotshoe, changeable lenses, larger sensor, etc). DSLRs are cheap enough that cost isn't really an issue. I doubt the results here will be any better than Nokia had.
- radicaldreamer 10y agoPanasonic has been shipping something similar for a while: https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Communication-Camera-ELMARIT-DMC-CM10-S/dp/B01ASTGVDW https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Communication-Camera-ELMARI...
- eveningcoffee 10y agoYes, but would you make a phone call with it without looking like a dork talking to the camera? Kodak one looks a bit more discrete.
- smacktoward 10y agoThe non-phone camera market is more diverse than that; beyond DSLRs there's also mirrorless cameras (for people who want near-DSLR performance in a lighter body) and point-and-shoots (for people who want better-than-smartphone performance but don't need swappable lenses).
- jrockway 10y agoMaybe, but there are plenty of people with cameras like the RX100.
- mslot 10y agoWas going to say, RX100 is in a class of its own :). I always have it with me when I travel and often have it my pocket just in case. I don't always use it, but it's small enough not to care. Especially for outdoors photography, an RX100 generally takes better pictures than a DSLR, because you're more likely to have it with you when a good picture opportunity arises.
- RUG3Y 10y agoI want this very badly.
- serge2k 10y agowait, this is a DSLR? Why would they do that instead of mirrorless?
- kamkha 10y agoThere is no viewfinder. It is mirrorless.
- gwbas1c 10y agoI understand that Kodak is probably "dipping their toe in the water with this model," but 32GB is not enough storage. I'd like to know more about the phone, though. Is it a good phone? I mean, is it a good phone? The concept of a phone that's also a quality Kodak camera is cool, but at the end of the day, I'd like to know that it's also great at doing everything else I do with my phone. Also, does it have a standard 3.5mm headphone jack?
- hooph00p 10y ago>Also, does it have a standard 3.5mm headphone jack? I can't tell if this is serious or not, but this continues to make me chuckle.
- gwbas1c 10y agoI couldn't tell if I was serious or not when I made the comment!
- Jtsummers 10y agoThey do provide a microSD card slot. 32GB onboard may not be stellar (for photography in particular), but the ability to easily get the data off to a memory card easily offsets that limitation. And makes it more useful for travelers who may not be able to (frequently) sync up with a laptop or cloud service.
- gwbas1c 10y ago"Oh, you can just" is usually not good enough. I specifically made that comment because I upgraded my phone with an SD card. It's nowhere as good as having enough storage built in; and I'll never buy a phone where I have to augment storage again.
- PascLeRasc 10y agoGiven that they're featuring "edit with Snapseed" on the page, they might have a Pixel-like deal with Google for unlimited original-quality uploads to Google Photos.
- dharma1 10y agoDoesn't look like it'll be able to do anything that any good Android phone with a good sensor/lens can't. BTW some Mediatek chips were meant to be able to do 480fps 1080p video with certain Sony sensors.. did it ever work out beyond marketing promises?
- kup0 10y agoThis is actually an interesting product, but is there a reason they wouldn't make the aperture f/1.8 like the iPhone? I'm not aware if there may be downsides or hardware limitations to that. If cost is the only issue, it would seem worth it if you're making a photography-focused camera just to get as much light as possible into that sensor. Edit: Thanks for the information, fellow HNers :)
- dom0 10y agoA 1/3 stop is ... not much. With different cameras with different lens designs and most importantly different sensors it's unlikely to be a significant contributor to a difference between two products. The difference in transmission between two lenses with one having few (eg 50/1.x) and the other having a lot (eg superzoom) elements can get that large.
- ryandamm 10y agoThis is why cinema lenses report t-stops ('transmission') in addition to f-stops. The t-stops tell you about exposure, and account for losses between surfaces and absorption within the media. The f-stop tells you about depth of field, etc. With modern lenses, they're usually within a small fraction of a stop, but older lenses could vary by a stop or more. That said, the difference between this camera and an iPhone camera, in terms of relative transmission, is probably negligible.
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- johnatwork 10y agoMy knee-jerk reaction was to want this, but the more I thought about the product, it really would be for someone wanting a good camera on the go, but not enough to warrant a better separate camera, AND willing to deal with a worse smartphone experience. That's not me unfortunately.
- k__ 10y agoHehe, yes. Me neither. But my girlfriend would probably like it. She always has junk smartphones, but high end cameras.
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- nav 10y agoI like the subtle f*ck you to MGMT 101 classes here .... or the attempt to.
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- patrickg_zill 10y agoWhile it may seem an irrelevant detail, the camera-like leatherette case that flips or snaps open like the old camera cases did, not only made me smile but gave me hope that they were clued in enough to their market as to make it a success.
- botexpert 10y agoTo me it's a huge drawback and makes it a no buy. No way I'm going to vote with my money and award them for using inefficient, unrecycled, inferior material instead of abundant recyclable non-animal sourced material. Edit: Thanks for the flags and downvotes, hate is so fresh here.
- kerbalspacepro 10y agoSomething tells me you wouldn't have gotten it anyways...
- botexpert 10y agoI'm a huge fan of customizable camera firmware. Playing with software controlling visual input brings me joy, have bunch of cameras and lack of leather is not a problem at all.
- patrickg_zill 10y agoActually I used "leatherette" in the generic sense of "looks like leather". TBH I have no idea what material it is made of.
- TheRealPomax 10y agoI don't understand... how is this different from any other large-screen Android 6+ device being built right now with a similarly high-res spec camera?
- whamlastxmas 10y agoIt will be buggy and poorly supported and probably have sub-par QA. Also your friends will laugh at you for buying a Kodak anything.
- jake-low 10y agoOdd choice for the name, since Kodak also has a color negative film called "Ektar" [0] which is just a single transposition away from this new phone's name. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ektar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ektar
- 1123581321 10y agoHow's it odd? It looks like they've already repurposed Ektar once before. Ektra sounds better (to me, anyway) and there's no chance that film purchasers will be confused.
- jrockway 10y agoYes, Ektar used to be their lens brand. Ran out of words that started with "Eastman Kodak" I guess.
- eppeltert 10y agoI'd call it apt rather than odd.
- pliu 10y agoIt's named after a classic Kodak camera model from the 40's http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kodak_Ektra http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kodak_Ektra
- provemewrong 10y agoYeah, honestly it sounds like a misspelling.
- userbinator 10y agoThey also have(had?) a line of slide projectors branded Ektapro, and a high-speed camera of the same name: http://slideprojector.kodak.com/ektapro/kodak-ektapro-slide-projectors http://slideprojector.kodak.com/ektapro/kodak-ektapro-slide-... http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/ektapro.html http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/ektapro.html
- juliann 10y agoThe only thing i can remember about Kodak phones is that The Verge tried the first Kodak phone last year at CES 2015 and it was a disaster. It had a horrible Android skin on that made it look like old Nokia phones Hope they upped their game with this one. 1st Kodak phone at CES 2015 http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7498999/ces-2015-kodak-phone-im5 http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7498999/ces-2015-kodak-phon... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPadMS75i48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPadMS75i48
- woodpanel 10y agoI think they are doing the right thing. Taking pictures is a core feature of smartphone usage and smartphones took a lot of camera-marketshare. Vacations have become much more enjoyable since people don't have to carry the international sign of gullibility around their neck, the tourist's camera, that also weighs more than a phone, costs at least as much and has a terrible OS. I too think though that Kodak can't be superior on smartphone stuff. At least not on their first iterations. But having the stomach to pursue such a dramatic and pragmatic shift in as how to perceive their product says a lot. Either about the company's future prospects or of how much they are on their last legs.
- mirekrusin 10y agoYou mean vacations became nightmare since everybody is taking pictures everywhere, you can't enjoy nice views anymore easily
- colmvp 10y agoI went a gallery recently that actually had a rule printed near the artist biography: "No selfie sticks"
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- plg 10y agoIt had better have superior photog specs than the newest iphones otherwise it's dead in the water
- MrZongle2 10y agoIf Kodak really wants to make a killer product, they should focus on battery life at the expense of size (within reason, of course).
- ClassyJacket 10y agoWhich would also give them the thickness to add a nice deep camera.
- DocG 10y agoSeems cool. But they cant do very good mobile page. Laggy scrolling and jumpy loading on G4.
- vladimir-y 10y agoWhat is the camera sensor model and manufacturer? So far based on hardware features list it doesn't look like a photo oriented smartphone, but more like a regular Androind based phone.
- jra101 10y agoNo mention of sensor size?
- neves 10y agoHow much does it cost?
- 1_2__3 10y agoSpecs page: Nonexistent. Details page: Nonexistent. Cost hint: Nonexistent. I've seen Kickstarters more compelling.
- Nadya 10y agoI was going to correct you with "A link to the specs is at the bottom." http://i.imgur.com/As4EwBV.png http://i.imgur.com/As4EwBV.png But then I went to the page and it is uh....empty? So I guess you're right. http://www.kodak.com/US/en/consumer/Product/Product_Specs/?contentId=4294998620&TaxId=4294970150 http://www.kodak.com/US/en/consumer/Product/Product_Specs/?c...
- ChuckMcM 10y agoInteresting that during their bankruptcy restructuring they were exiting the digital camera business, and now here we go another digital camera, I think it would be hilarious if you could download a "phone" app for it :-). Seems like a lot of work for a point-and-shoot. The "interest" outside of the phone camera space seems to be in the 4/3 space. And this isn't one.
- akavel 10y agoI'm curious what exactly will the "haptic touch" technology of the dial be? Do you know of any consumer-grade products with (hopefully) non-buzzer haptic feedback on touchscreen available on the market yet?
- ClassyJacket 10y agoThe iPhone. Scroll a selector wheel, like a date picker, on an iPhone 7. It's very impressive.
- akavel 10y agoDon't have one; could you describe in some more detail how it works, or link to some info on the web? edit: for now, main google results are "how to disable haptic feedback on iphone 7" -- huh? edit 2: ok, found some basic info: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/27/inside-the-iphone-7-apples-taptic-engine-explained http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/27/inside-the-iphone-... So, from what I understand, still a buzzer, only much more precise, controllable and subtle (?). Still not clear if the Kodak's gonna be the same, or something more interesting. edit 3: eh, based on http://www.trustedreviews.com/kodak-ektra-review http://www.trustedreviews.com/kodak-ektra-review, I believe it's just a buzzer in Kodak too: "There’s a little bit of haptic feedback as you rotate the dial to give it some tangibility." So, nothing to write home about, I think.
- 7Z7 10y agoFWIW, I don't think "just a buzzer" really does it justice. At least in the iPhone's case, it's more like a tiny insistent tap or click that you feel in your finger.
- paulgerhardt 10y agoI absolutely love these platforms for travel. I have a similar model (a Panasonic/Leica Android phone). It has a very large sensor and sim tray. As result I can run a local sim in WiFi hotspot mode for my primary iPhone and still get great photos with a 2-in-1 device. The photo quality is fantastic and it beats having to carry a small mirrorless camera around. Being able to run Photoshop Lightroom right on the device is great for touching up your best shots as you are on the bus or train between destinations. That said, I don't know how viable the platform is for the mainstream market. Panasonic revved my model to drop the sim. So I think they saw sales were weak. The introduction of the Moto Z with the Hasselblad lens and now this Kodak model gives me hope as I love, love, love these camera/hotspots.
- cabbeer 10y agoUnfortunately, most reviewers agreed that the Hasselblad camera is not much more than a "proof of concept", and the photo quality from the phone itself is often better.
- Splines 10y agoWhich is sad - it's an opportunity squandered.
- pauljaworski 10y agoI think the majority of the owners of this camera will be popular Instagram photographers who are being paid to use them... and maybe a handful of their diehard, "aspiring photographer" followers.
- unicornporn 10y agoArgh... For a second or two I thought to myself: perhaps this camera phone will have a lens with a sane focal length! But nope, massive wide angle at 26.5mm equiv once again. How about an actual general purpose lens at 35mm (or above 35mm) equiv for once? Some of the older iPhones were around 33mm if i recall things correctly, but all the (one lens) iPhones that now supports shooting DNG are stuck with a ~28mm lens. /Frustrated photographer
- TD-Linux 10y agoYeah, it seems to be a pretty high-end but otherwise standard smartphone camera. Almost all of the features they advertise are of the software or related peripherals, but not of the lens or sensor itself.
- redial 10y agoThe second camera on the iPhone 7 Plus is ~58mm I believe, but it lacks OIS and the lens is a slower f2.8.
- raihansaputra 10y agoWhy no OIS? It should be very useful considering the longer focal length and smaller maximum aperture.. The slower lens is understandable though.
- raihansaputra 10y agoWhy no OIS? It should be very useful considering the longer focal length and smaller maximum aperture.. The slower lens is understandable though.
- unicornporn 10y agoYou're right, that's why I wrote > (one lens) iPhones :)
- astrocat 10y ago<armchair> There's a missed opportunity here... this is not a smartphone, because as a phone, it will suck. It's a smartcamera, because as a point-and-shoot running Android with a cellular data connection, it will probably be quite cool. As mentioned already, Nokia tried the "photography first" smartphonecamera - it didn't fly. Because, honestly, iPhones are already top of the line smartphonecameras. The cameras are ridiculously good, all things considered. Kodak should realize there's no point in attempting to get people to trade in their iPhone for one of these - they should focus on making this the other accessory you want to have in addition to your iPhone. Like a Kindle. You CAN read stuff on your phone, but there's a better experience to be had. You CAN take pictures and video on your phone but... there's a better experience to be had? Maybe. I'm not entirely convinced the same kind of value can be added at a price that's worth paying before just up and getting a DSLR. But, that's my take on this whole thing. </armchair>
- jdmichal 10y agoTo add to your sentiment, I have a Sony camera that can: * Wirelessly transfer images to my phone. * Do so with a tap, as it has an embedded NFC tag. (Sets up a wifi-direct connection.) * Be remotely controlled by my phone, including a laggy but usable viewfinder display on my phone screen. Cameras that are phone accessories already exist, and they're pretty cool.
- girvo 10y agoMy Fujifilm cameras do the same (and the X30's implementation is pretty great as of the latest Remote App updates) -- the remote viewfinder and controls aren't even that laggy now! Crazy stuff considering it's consumer equipment :)
- noahmbarr 10y agoYou have to applaud Kodak for taking a risk. If the camera functionality is that much better, some customer segment might be compelled. It's hard to say until the product is available. Future iPhone customers will benefit from this product release. If it's at all better, you better believe this will only push Apple's camera engineering team harder.
- joshmn 10y agoTalk about desperate. Why didn't they just skip the phone part? I could see myself buying one of these. But the fact that it'd make little (financial) sense to buy one and then have it replace my phone (let's be real here, Kodak), it's a no-go.
- icanhackit 10y agoIt has phase detection at least. Something sorely missing from these camera phone/phone cameras is an internal optical zoom so that the lens barrel never protrudes from the body - like the Pentax Optio WS80 which uses a prism so that the optics/elements move along the x rather than z axis inside the camera body. Apple filed a patent for such a thing a year or so ago, but they've also filed patents for all kinds of shit that has never seen the light of day. Calling the 56mm second lens on the iPhone 7 an "optical zoom" is taking things a bit far. I guess calling it a prime portrait lens would leave more than a few people scratching their heads.
- losteverything 10y agoA good gift if priced ok, a disposable camera a good way to be able to take pics and LEAVE YOUR PHONE AND CONNECTED LIFE.
- pgnas 10y agoLooks like we may have a camera with the option of being a phone instead of a phone that has a camera.. Looks interesting and it is nice to not have to carry around multiple devices.
- jbarham 10y agoFun fact: The digital camera was invented at Kodak (an American company) that has since gone bankrupt. Here is a list of Japanese companies that currently all make excellent digital cameras: * Canon * Nikon * Sony (which bought Konica Minolta) * Fujifilm (Kodak's main competitor in the film market) * Olympus * Panasonic * Pentax/Ricoh Discuss.
- throw2016 10y agoKodak unfortunately self destructed and the business was sold. This seems to be an initiative by the new owners and given the positioning one would expect much more details about the sensor size, sensor type and lens. Kodak has a wonderful history with the now out of favour CCD camera sensors. The first digital Leica's all used Kodak CCD sensors and are still highly rated. Sony is now among the leading makers of CMOS sensors for both cameras and cell phones and nearly all current cellphones use Sony sensors. Phones of course cannot compare to larger sensor cameras but they have made great strides and at least knocked off the lower rung of camera market that sported small sensors. The positioning has potential but this is something Samsung, Apple and other phone makers are already focussed on. The absence of details could make this more positioning and less product and completely fail to register in a market dominated by decent phone cameras in the Galaxy S7 and iPhone 7.
- mirekrusin 10y agoScrolling is completely broken on iPhone safari
- angry-hacker 10y agoAnd on Android. It completely kills the mobile, what a horrible product page.
- Paul_S 10y agoThe before and after pictures (mountains) are two completely different pictures. Is the trick that your photo gets substituted by a better one? That would actually be not a bad thing... Anyway, this has got nothing to do with kodak cameras whatsoever, just licensing a brand name.
- Florin_Andrei 10y agoIt's a panoramic picture with a bar down the middle. It confused me too, at first.
- doublerebel 10y agoWow only a 5" screen, BUT with full HD resolution and a 3000mAh battery?? Can't get that anywhere! I know many HNers besides me appreciate a phone on the smaller side. Usually that means the screen stays at 720p (Galaxy Alpha, Galaxy * Mini, Sony Xperia Compact) and the battery suffers (Galaxy alpha has only 1800mAh.) $550 is not a mini price, though. I'll hold out for a couple good reviews.
- Florin_Andrei 10y agoWhat's the max frame rate for the 4k capture mode?
- ryanbertrand 10y agoI thought the iPhone 7 camera lens bump was bad until I saw this. They might be too late to the game with this one. I do like the 3GB of RAM though.
- King-Aaron 10y agoThis is the smartphone I have always wanted.... they just forgot to make it a smartphone.
- sly010 10y agoI am not sure how much "smarter" this is than a camera taped on a phone [0]. If the DSP chip itself were programmable from the phone then one could do all sorts of tricks just by downloading new "firmware" over the air. I doubt that is the case here though. It looks like this saves me from copying files to share then on Instagram and that's about it. Someone please make a camera that costs the same as a high-end smart phone, but the DSP chip is open and documented. Why is that not a thing? [0] http://media.e2save.com/images/community/2013/06/tumblr_m7bfjiE1LT1qjrdrto1_1280.jpg http://media.e2save.com/images/community/2013/06/tumblr_m7bf... EDIT: link
- danvayn 10y agoThe real potential with this lies with the photo editing and viewing suite -- even if it's camera first there's not really many 'smart cameras' are there? there's just a lot of potential in having extra buttons. imo, simplicity of UI/UX is becoming a tiresome idea now that the ability to operate a smartphone has been mainstreamed at this point. power to the new players.
- matthew-wegner 10y agoLots of negativity here. This is a really smart move. I take a decent amount of photographs, and shoot enough photos at events around other photographers to see the next generation coming up. A surprising amount of these photographers are using live view on DSLRs, just because they're "graduating" out of smartphone photography. (Live view generally has a number of disadvantages compared to the optical viewfinder; it's a pretty bad habit). These photographers are used to framing their shots on a screen, and have muscle memory built around holding a device like a smartphone. Giving them better sensors--and not changing much else about their shooting experience--is a very wise decision...
- donmaq 10y agoTotally agree. Live View photos on my 7D feels broken compared to the viewfinder: much slower AF, shutter-drop & recycle rate. & you really need a hood/3x magnifier to confirm critical focus. The only time I use photo Live View is for grabbing a still while I've still got the hood on from shooting video..
- PascLeRasc 10y agoAs much as I like the idea, from the side profile it looks like it'd be really difficult to carry around in a back pocket and could snag on the lens bump when trying to put it back in a pocket.
- Question1101 10y agoSince they don't mention the sensor size I assume it will be barely bigger than that of an average smartphone. So I expect the image quality to be underwhelming. There was the Lumix CM1 and it wasn't a huge hit so I don't know why this would sell well since it doesn't look like it's doing anything better.
- unwind 10y agoI had to look up the SoC used, it's MediaTek's Helio X20 with ten cores: http://mediatek-helio.com/x20/ http://mediatek-helio.com/x20/. The cores are: 2x Cortex-A72 @ 2.1GHz ~ 2.3GHz 4x Cortex-A53 @ 1.85GHz 4x Cortex-A53 @ 1.4GHz That sure is a lot of cores (and the rest of the features sound nice too, like the support for a 32 megapixel camera). Quite the impressive piece of technology to put in a phone-sized form factor, really.
- viraptor 10y agoLooks like a great opportunity for switching them off to get extra power saving. I haven't seen this used before - is there any known phone with mixed frequency cores on the market?
- cooper12 10y agoThe latest iPhone 's A10 processor has two high performance cores and two high efficiency cores that it switches between. The concept is also predated by ARM's big.LITTLE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE and the article lists some implementations.
- michrassena 10y agoSince I didn't see it mentioned elsewhere in the thread, anytime I see the name Kodak Ektra I think of the world-class 35mm camera that Kodak made in the 1940s. http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Kodak_Ektra http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Kodak_Ektra So the use of the name is banking on that association with those in the know. I would be writing a ream of criticism here of the use of the name to associate the new product with the original if Kodak themselves hadn't diluted it to meanlessness by releasing a line of 110 film cameras with the same name.
- anentropic 10y ago"Always. Be. Ready." I really hate these periods. I despise them. It's stupid, please stop. Also, under "Push what's possible"... why are the 'before' and 'after' image two different photos? What is that supposed to prove?
- SpeakMouthWords 10y agoThey're two halves of the same photo, but being able to drag that bar sure would be nice.
- lips 10y agoOn-screen controls will always be substandard. It's confusing, because every company should know what works, based on about 30 years of iterative design changes. Yet here we are, adapting the rotating mode dial into a digital interface. You will not grok this camera. Things that would get my attention: Hardware slider that can be mapped to ISO/aperture/shutter speed, ideally dynamically. Hardware AF/MF switch, and AE/AF lock options. Focus peaking.