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I think some states have laws that restrict navigation control access when car is in motion.

by pkaye 10y ago

danpat 10y ago
Interestingly, according to this summary: http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/telematics/ http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/telematics/ there are exemptions of some kind for navigation systems in many places. I've heard "it's not allowed by law" often, but I have yet to track down the actual law. Hopefully automakers aren't doing this based on hearsay....
- derekp7 10y ago
  no, they are doing it to prevent lawsuits. In fact, on Ford's Sync 3 system, they have a huge disclaimer that pops up when you enable Android Auto or Apple Carplay, saying that anything that comes up on the car's screen is controlled by Android (or Apple) and therefore Ford is not liable -- go sue them instead.
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
  In Australia there's "drive without due care" which could cover anything the driver might do in a car that could distract.
lukaslalinsky 10y ago
Cars can generally go much faster than the maximum speed limit, so it wouldn't be the first time the car allows you to do something against the law.
- copperx 10y ago
  I'm honestly surprised they don't restrict that. Does anybody know why? I know different states have different speed limits, but I think a 85mph speed limit could cover them all. Is it because Canada and Mexico? They have lower speed limits. Is it because the car could be exported to Germany and driven on the Autobahn? or what?
  - Kadin 10y ago
    There were, until very recently, some roads in Montana that didn't have any speed limit during the day. They provided at least a legal justification that there was a legitimate on-road use case for going more than 85MPH. I believe Montana gave that up in the last few years, so there wouldn't be much of a case against putting an 85MPH governor in cars, except I guess against the possibility that some state might at some point raise their limit. Some states (e.g. Texas) have been raising their speed limits, seemingly in keeping with the safety enhancements in cars, which is an interesting example of "risk compensation".
    - gambiting 10y ago
      Poland has recently bumped up the speed limit on all motorways from 80 to 90mph(140km/h).
      - kolinko 10y ago
        And you cannot be charged by going less than 10km/h above the limit, because you can't be expected to monitor your speed at all times. And extra 10km/h to account for instrument / measurement errors. Giving it an enforcable maximum of 160km/h = 100 mph. Yay :D
    - hueving 10y ago
      Ah, the glory days. The speed limits returned quite some time ago (>12 years) in Montana after the stupid out of staters ruined it by killing themselves too frequently on their 'Montana autobahn experiences'. Back when the national speed limit was forced to 55mph because of the energy crisis, Montana legislators thumbed their nose at it by making it a cash fine of $5 IIRC that did not go on your record.
    - pc86 10y ago
      > there wouldn't be much of a case against putting an 85MPH governor in cars There are plenty of reasons not to do it. A lot of people take cars to the track, and not just those with high performance vehicles. I've seen people drag racing stock Camrys at a legit quarter mile track just because they wanted to see what it could do (not much).
hx87 10y ago
AFAIK, that's a restriction on the driver, not the car, so if anything happens as a result of access while moving, it's the responsibility of the driver.
eric_h 10y ago
Certainly, but cars are also mandated to have a weight sensor in the passenger seat to disable the passenger side airbag when there isn't an adult sitting there (so they don't kill children in car seats). Can't we at least compromise on that requirement? If there's a passenger, unlock the controls.
- u801e 10y ago
  > Certainly, but cars are also mandated to have a weight sensor in the passenger seat to disable the passenger side airbag when there isn't an adult sitting there (so they don't kill children in car seats). On a somewhat related note, this graph[1] show that the deaths of children in cars due to heat stroke started increasing after 1998 (which is when passenger side airbags were mandatory equipment in new vehicles). [1] http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/76289000/gif/_76289574_airbags_heatstroke_deaths_624.gif http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/76289000/gif/_...
  - kozak 10y ago
    What's the connection between airbags and heat strokes?
    - brewdad 10y ago
      Car seats can no longer safely be placed in the front seat due to the air bag risks. Children who fall asleep in the back seat combined with sleep deprived parents can lead to an "out of sight, out of mind" scenario where children are forgotten in the back seat of cars. It happens every summer.
- ygra 10y ago
  That's only in certain jurisdictions, I guess? Around here cars either have a big warning sticker not to put children backwards in the front passenger seat or have an option to disable the airbag. I don't think I've seen one that does it automatically. The only use the sensor gets is making noise when the passenger doesn't use the seat belt.

I think some states have laws that restrict navigation control access when car is in motion.

by pkaye 10y ago

I think some states have laws that restrict navigation control access when car is in motion.

Interestingly, according to this summary: http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/telematics/ http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/telematics/ there are exemptions of some kind for navigation systems in many places. I've heard "it's not allowed by law" often, but I have yet to track down the actual law. Hopefully automakers aren't doing this based on hearsay....

derekp7 10y ago
no, they are doing it to prevent lawsuits. In fact, on Ford's Sync 3 system, they have a huge disclaimer that pops up when you enable Android Auto or Apple Carplay, saying that anything that comes up on the car's screen is controlled by Android (or Apple) and therefore Ford is not liable -- go sue them instead.
TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
In Australia there's "drive without due care" which could cover anything the driver might do in a car that could distract.

lukaslalinsky 10y ago

Cars can generally go much faster than the maximum speed limit, so it wouldn't be the first time the car allows you to do something against the law.

copperx 10y ago
I'm honestly surprised they don't restrict that. Does anybody know why? I know different states have different speed limits, but I think a 85mph speed limit could cover them all. Is it because Canada and Mexico? They have lower speed limits. Is it because the car could be exported to Germany and driven on the Autobahn? or what?
- Kadin 10y ago
  There were, until very recently, some roads in Montana that didn't have any speed limit during the day. They provided at least a legal justification that there was a legitimate on-road use case for going more than 85MPH. I believe Montana gave that up in the last few years, so there wouldn't be much of a case against putting an 85MPH governor in cars, except I guess against the possibility that some state might at some point raise their limit. Some states (e.g. Texas) have been raising their speed limits, seemingly in keeping with the safety enhancements in cars, which is an interesting example of "risk compensation".
  - gambiting 10y ago
    Poland has recently bumped up the speed limit on all motorways from 80 to 90mph(140km/h).
    - kolinko 10y ago
      And you cannot be charged by going less than 10km/h above the limit, because you can't be expected to monitor your speed at all times. And extra 10km/h to account for instrument / measurement errors. Giving it an enforcable maximum of 160km/h = 100 mph. Yay :D
  - hueving 10y ago
    Ah, the glory days. The speed limits returned quite some time ago (>12 years) in Montana after the stupid out of staters ruined it by killing themselves too frequently on their 'Montana autobahn experiences'. Back when the national speed limit was forced to 55mph because of the energy crisis, Montana legislators thumbed their nose at it by making it a cash fine of $5 IIRC that did not go on your record.
  - pc86 10y ago
    > there wouldn't be much of a case against putting an 85MPH governor in cars There are plenty of reasons not to do it. A lot of people take cars to the track, and not just those with high performance vehicles. I've seen people drag racing stock Camrys at a legit quarter mile track just because they wanted to see what it could do (not much).

hx87 10y ago

AFAIK, that's a restriction on the driver, not the car, so if anything happens as a result of access while moving, it's the responsibility of the driver.

eric_h 10y ago

Certainly, but cars are also mandated to have a weight sensor in the passenger seat to disable the passenger side airbag when there isn't an adult sitting there (so they don't kill children in car seats). Can't we at least compromise on that requirement? If there's a passenger, unlock the controls.

u801e 10y ago
> Certainly, but cars are also mandated to have a weight sensor in the passenger seat to disable the passenger side airbag when there isn't an adult sitting there (so they don't kill children in car seats). On a somewhat related note, this graph[1] show that the deaths of children in cars due to heat stroke started increasing after 1998 (which is when passenger side airbags were mandatory equipment in new vehicles). [1] http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/76289000/gif/_76289574_airbags_heatstroke_deaths_624.gif http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/76289000/gif/_...
- kozak 10y ago
  What's the connection between airbags and heat strokes?
  - brewdad 10y ago
    Car seats can no longer safely be placed in the front seat due to the air bag risks. Children who fall asleep in the back seat combined with sleep deprived parents can lead to an "out of sight, out of mind" scenario where children are forgotten in the back seat of cars. It happens every summer.
ygra 10y ago
That's only in certain jurisdictions, I guess? Around here cars either have a big warning sticker not to put children backwards in the front passenger seat or have an option to disable the airbag. I don't think I've seen one that does it automatically. The only use the sensor gets is making noise when the passenger doesn't use the seat belt.