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> The actual facts aside I happen to believe that facts are important in a Presidential race. Essentially your response is repeating talking points of the Tru

> The actual facts aside I happen to believe that facts are important in a Presidential race. Essentially your response is repeating talking points of the Trump campaign... which is OK, 1st amendment and all that but to pretend like you're making a constructive addition to the discussion / debate is folly. Right now America has a choice between Trump, a racist, mysoginist demagogue who has never held a public office and Hillary Clinton. Hillary may have issues but she is also possibly the most experienced presidential candidate of the last couple of decades.

bpodgursky 10y ago
Unfortunately, it's very easy to be both experienced and terrible at your job.
TillE 10y ago
> the most experienced presidential candidate of the last couple of decades George H. W. Bush was a two term vice president, director of the CIA, etc. I've been following this election pretty closely for more than a year, and I seriously couldn't tell you what Clinton's positive message is besides "I'm experienced". Nobody cares. Americans don't elect technocratic planks of wood. This is the worst, most inept presidental campaign I've ever seen. She's very nearly losing to a joke candidate.
- pdabbadabba 10y ago
  He was elected a "couple of decades" ago. Feel old now? :)
- elgenie 10y ago
  HW won in 1988 and lost in 1992. 1996 was two decades ago.
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- adamrezich 10y ago
  It's really interesting to hear you say that, actually, because from my perspective, she had two positive messages: - "I'm experienced" - "I'm a woman, and it's high time a woman became President" It's interesting that her campaign has finally stopped beating us over the head with the latter, at least; it was insultingly sexist.
  - peu4000 10y ago
    It's insultingly sexist to suggest that 51% of the population should finally have representation in the highest office in America?
    - devopsproject 10y ago
      If a man said that he deserved a job over a woman on the basis of gender, it would be sexist (and wrong). The reverse is also true.
    - stonetear 10y ago
      The only reason she was able to become a senator is because her husband was president. The hypocracy is palpable.
leurfete 10y ago
"a racist, mysoginist[sic] demagogue" "Hillary may have issues but she is also possibly the most experienced presidential candidate of the last couple of decades." s/Trump/Clinton/ and your statement: "Essentially your response is repeating talking points of the Trump campaign." serves as a valid critique of your own response. - Qualified for not, Clinton's corruption has been confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt over the course of many leaks and scandals. Democrats who continue to support her are just as blindly partisan as Republicans. The whole system is broken. I won't be voting for anyone.
- WalterSear 10y ago
  At least vote. Write in your dog, if you have to. Otherwise future politicians won't aware that you will be at the poll, ready to vote for them, and they'll pander to someone else.
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MichaelGG 10y ago
Curious, do you have a handful of racist Trump quotes? Not stuff about illegals, but actual racist stuff (like not wanting to rent to blacks or something)? Trump aside, electing someone that's openly corrupt (DNC Wikileaks show they went against Bernie, against rules) seems to be far more dangerous to the future of the US and worldwide democracy. Up until now, corruption was sort of assumed, but if a publicly corrupt candidate wins, it just shows "crime pays".
- bcg1 10y ago
  '"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." (Trump called the things written about him in the book "probably true.")' http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest-things-donald-trump-has-said-20150616?page=2 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest... Also Trump was the President of the Trump organization when the DOJ fined the company for illegal housing discrimination, doing things like marking the lease applications of African Americans with a 'C' for 'Colored' so that they would know not to rent to them.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    That sounds more pro-Jewish than anti-black.
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    - bcg1 10y ago
      You might want to look into whether or not your understanding of the concept of racism comports with its actual definition.
    - morgante 10y ago
      > The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. This is not a pro-Jewish statement. It's a textbook anti-semite stereotype.
Dagwoodie 10y ago
Since when is a long tenancy in a public office a good thing? What happened to strong morality and doing the right thing when nobody is looking? Hillary broke the law [0], plain and simple, and she isn't being punished because well, she is a powerful life-long politician with many friends in high places. At least Nixon had the moral decency to resign when it was clear he wasn't right to lead by example. The simple truth is she is a leftist, a globalist, and for those reason alone she'll get a lot of votes but unfortunately being those things in America today means nothing that else matters. Basic morality? flawed candidate. Broke the law? She had a good reason? Poor health? Doesn't matter, she has a capable leftist/globalist to take her place, we just need to get another D in the white house. [0] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-c-rutledge/fbi-clinton-was-extremely_b_10818458.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-c-rutledge/fbi-clinton-was-e...
- minikites 10y ago
  Globalist? I'm not sure what that means, much less why it earns votes.
- yolesaber 10y ago
  >At least Nixon had the moral decency to resign when it was clear he wasn't right to lead by example. Yes, it was because Nixon had moral fiber. Not because he negotiated a deal with Ford to pardon him immediately and preemptively, thus saving him the humiliation of impeachment and legal repercussions.
  - Dagwoodie 10y ago
    I'm sure you're absolutely right. If he hadn't been such a snake he would have just fought the system, used his ample government connections to ensure he won't get prosecuted. The people would understand, he was just acting in those good intentions of advancing the desires of the party, after all.
    - yolesaber 10y ago
      Nixon was 100 percent going to be impeached if he did not resign. He had very little sway in the Republican Party by the time the tapes came out. He ran an incredibly secretive and paranoid White House that was mostly disconnected from the Senate and made many enemies even in his own party.
jimmywanger 10y ago
I see that you're having a bit of trouble parsing my statements. Allow me to help. >but to pretend like you're making a constructive addition to the discussion / debate is folly. That's silly. I'm just saying that all these things happened. Facts, if you will. These things definitely happened and were reported ad nauseum. The terror attacks, Clinton passing out, her basket of deplorables comment, those actually happened. And now this email thing. These were Trump talking points long before the events happened. Now, I think that her campaign staff could somehow spin this so that she comes out relatively unscathed, IF all these things didn't happen within about a week of each other. If this was spaced out over a month or so, we'd forget. The way the timing is, no spin doctor in the world can buff this out. I'm not advocating for either candidate, like you are, but I'm pointing out the fact that Clinton has pretty much made herself unelectable.

bpodgursky 10y ago

Unfortunately, it's very easy to be both experienced and terrible at your job.

TillE 10y ago

> the most experienced presidential candidate of the last couple of decades George H. W. Bush was a two term vice president, director of the CIA, etc. I've been following this election pretty closely for more than a year, and I seriously couldn't tell you what Clinton's positive message is besides "I'm experienced". Nobody cares. Americans don't elect technocratic planks of wood. This is the worst, most inept presidental campaign I've ever seen. She's very nearly losing to a joke candidate.

pdabbadabba 10y ago
He was elected a "couple of decades" ago. Feel old now? :)
elgenie 10y ago
HW won in 1988 and lost in 1992. 1996 was two decades ago.
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adamrezich 10y ago
It's really interesting to hear you say that, actually, because from my perspective, she had two positive messages: - "I'm experienced" - "I'm a woman, and it's high time a woman became President" It's interesting that her campaign has finally stopped beating us over the head with the latter, at least; it was insultingly sexist.
- peu4000 10y ago
  It's insultingly sexist to suggest that 51% of the population should finally have representation in the highest office in America?
  - devopsproject 10y ago
    If a man said that he deserved a job over a woman on the basis of gender, it would be sexist (and wrong). The reverse is also true.
  - stonetear 10y ago
    The only reason she was able to become a senator is because her husband was president. The hypocracy is palpable.

leurfete 10y ago

"a racist, mysoginist[sic] demagogue" "Hillary may have issues but she is also possibly the most experienced presidential candidate of the last couple of decades." s/Trump/Clinton/ and your statement: "Essentially your response is repeating talking points of the Trump campaign." serves as a valid critique of your own response. - Qualified for not, Clinton's corruption has been confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt over the course of many leaks and scandals. Democrats who continue to support her are just as blindly partisan as Republicans. The whole system is broken. I won't be voting for anyone.

WalterSear 10y ago
At least vote. Write in your dog, if you have to. Otherwise future politicians won't aware that you will be at the poll, ready to vote for them, and they'll pander to someone else.
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MichaelGG 10y ago

Curious, do you have a handful of racist Trump quotes? Not stuff about illegals, but actual racist stuff (like not wanting to rent to blacks or something)? Trump aside, electing someone that's openly corrupt (DNC Wikileaks show they went against Bernie, against rules) seems to be far more dangerous to the future of the US and worldwide democracy. Up until now, corruption was sort of assumed, but if a publicly corrupt candidate wins, it just shows "crime pays".

bcg1 10y ago
'"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." (Trump called the things written about him in the book "probably true.")' http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest-things-donald-trump-has-said-20150616?page=2 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest... Also Trump was the President of the Trump organization when the DOJ fined the company for illegal housing discrimination, doing things like marking the lease applications of African Americans with a 'C' for 'Colored' so that they would know not to rent to them.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  That sounds more pro-Jewish than anti-black.
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  - bcg1 10y ago
    You might want to look into whether or not your understanding of the concept of racism comports with its actual definition.
  - morgante 10y ago
    > The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. This is not a pro-Jewish statement. It's a textbook anti-semite stereotype.

Dagwoodie 10y ago

Since when is a long tenancy in a public office a good thing? What happened to strong morality and doing the right thing when nobody is looking? Hillary broke the law [0], plain and simple, and she isn't being punished because well, she is a powerful life-long politician with many friends in high places. At least Nixon had the moral decency to resign when it was clear he wasn't right to lead by example. The simple truth is she is a leftist, a globalist, and for those reason alone she'll get a lot of votes but unfortunately being those things in America today means nothing that else matters. Basic morality? flawed candidate. Broke the law? She had a good reason? Poor health? Doesn't matter, she has a capable leftist/globalist to take her place, we just need to get another D in the white house. [0] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-c-rutledge/fbi-clinton-was-extremely_b_10818458.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-c-rutledge/fbi-clinton-was-e...

minikites 10y ago
Globalist? I'm not sure what that means, much less why it earns votes.
yolesaber 10y ago
>At least Nixon had the moral decency to resign when it was clear he wasn't right to lead by example. Yes, it was because Nixon had moral fiber. Not because he negotiated a deal with Ford to pardon him immediately and preemptively, thus saving him the humiliation of impeachment and legal repercussions.
- Dagwoodie 10y ago
  I'm sure you're absolutely right. If he hadn't been such a snake he would have just fought the system, used his ample government connections to ensure he won't get prosecuted. The people would understand, he was just acting in those good intentions of advancing the desires of the party, after all.
  - yolesaber 10y ago
    Nixon was 100 percent going to be impeached if he did not resign. He had very little sway in the Republican Party by the time the tapes came out. He ran an incredibly secretive and paranoid White House that was mostly disconnected from the Senate and made many enemies even in his own party.

jimmywanger 10y ago

I see that you're having a bit of trouble parsing my statements. Allow me to help. >but to pretend like you're making a constructive addition to the discussion / debate is folly. That's silly. I'm just saying that all these things happened. Facts, if you will. These things definitely happened and were reported ad nauseum. The terror attacks, Clinton passing out, her basket of deplorables comment, those actually happened. And now this email thing. These were Trump talking points long before the events happened. Now, I think that her campaign staff could somehow spin this so that she comes out relatively unscathed, IF all these things didn't happen within about a week of each other. If this was spaced out over a month or so, we'd forget. The way the timing is, no spin doctor in the world can buff this out. I'm not advocating for either candidate, like you are, but I'm pointing out the fact that Clinton has pretty much made herself unelectable.