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> They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? This confuses me too. The camera wart is ridiculous, and I bet if they made the device just that s
by yock 10y ago
> They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones?
This confuses me too. The camera wart is ridiculous, and I bet if they made the device just that slight bit thicker they'd have room to retain the 3.5mm jack.
The other possibility is that the headphone jack makes water resistance that much more difficult. Maybe they think it's worth it?
- PacketPaul 10y agoAnd room for -shutter- a bigger battery.
- Unklejoe 10y agoThere are other phones which have the 3.5mm jack and are water resistant, such as the Galaxy S7.
- waiseristy 10y agoNot only that, but a higher rating as well, IP68
- ryanSrich 10y agoThe draw to iOS is rarely the hardware (aside from the camera, Apple wins that category hands down every time). The software platform Apple has built is unrivaled.
- exception_e 10y ago> The software platform Apple has built is unrivaled. Not really true anymore. Android (while drinking Google Koolaid) is an amazing platform. I bet for most users (in terms of apps and basic phone features), there is really no justification to get an iPhone over an Android.
- serge2k 10y agoI used an android up until the iPhone 6 came out. iOS is just a better platform.
- 72deluxe 10y agoBy what comparison? Security? Being able to browse for files? Ability to back up SMS messages? Updates?
- SalimoS 10y agoSimple of use ?? I don't think I need to browse for files on smartphone! Guess talking about security need he's own thread(like, guess your phone maker pushed the last patch created by Google , you know:Stagefright) Sums backup we don't need it , we have iMessage And we can't have a company that create a new message and video chat app every eye are and two But seriously are talking about OS updates ?? Seriously? I'm still using my iPhone 4S on iOS 9
- riotdash 10y agoSecurity on iOS on lightyears ahead of Android in all aspects and because of the fundamental design of Android it will not change in the near future if ever. Other things I might add: efficieny of usage, performance, UX, hardware design, development of software (for us devs), privacy, quality of app store etc.
- konart 10y agoAs an ex-Android user and ex-QA guy for some of the Android software: by the "things work as they should (i.e. as you expect them to work), without lags or bugs that can drive you mad". One of my ex-collegues is now working for one of the android-phone manufactures and by his words the whole process of creating the the new device is basically trying make shit work good enough to pass Google's tests (something is going wrong with hardware? fuck it, we'll fix it in software later), then releasing a bunch of patches, then new phone, because nobody will ever invest their time into makeing the currect device to work with new Google's test. It just won't.
- xxs 10y ago>>The software platform Apple has built is unrivaled. extremely unsourced argument. As a dev. platform I'd take Android any time (and steer clear from obj c)
- anonred 10y agoWhat is your stance on Swift, might I ask? I personally wasn't too fond of the emulator performance and general tooling when I last did dev work on Android.
- b1gtuna 10y agoI agree. I can't love an Android phone because I know it will take 3+ months get a new Android release (if it gets ever).
- robterrell 10y agoPosted above: http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s7.. http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s7.... Too afraid to test it myself though.
- robhu 10y agoI would guess in this case the water resistance is a disadvantage given their propensity to explode: http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/2/12767670/samsung-galaxy-note-7-recall-fire-risk http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/2/12767670/samsung-galaxy-not...
- danem 10y agoThe Galaxy S7 is water proof and sports a typical headphone jack.
- RileyKyeden 10y agoMy Moto G3 is waterproof and has a headphone jack. If Motorola can do it for under $200, there's no reason Apple can't do it on an iPhone.
- silverdrake11 10y agoNot quite waterproof. I tried taking some underwater photos with mine (had a feeling it would be a bad idea) and the camera stopped working. There are also a couple dead spots in the touch screen. However the rest of the phone works.
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- labster 10y agoThe problem with cameras is that the limits are set by physics. The bigger your lens, the better the resolution. If only Apple could figure out a way to miniaturize visible light.
- richman777 10y agoI'm pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking that if they made the phone a little bit thicker to make if flush, we could get some crazy battery life (and a headphone jack).
- jbmorgado 10y agoYou are definitively not alone. This race to thin phones with unusable battery life reminds me to the race to more and more mega pixels in digital cameras with unusable low exposition quality some years ago. It's just about the buzz, it just hinders the technology in order to be able to tell a more catchy number to consumers. I would happily go with a 33% thicker iPhone with great battery life and a headphone jack and I doubt that most of the people would notice the difference in size.
- relaytheurgency 10y agoRight, I feel like we're back in the days before iPhone when so many different companies were coming out with lame gimmicks to sell their flip phones and sliders that were all virtually identical. Maybe we're stuck here until wearable tech becomes more of a reality?
- threeseed 10y agoPretty sure the hundreds of millions of people using untethered smartphones negates your argument that the battery life is "unusable". I would guess most people are okay using their phone during the day and charging at night.
- labster 10y agoIt doesn't negate the argument (even if it was hyperbole). I took an iPhone 5S out on a car trip yesterday across L.A., and forgot the car charger but hey it was fully charged. Used it for navigation for about 20 minutes total, and maybe 10 minutes total of phone calls. Checked email maybe 5 times. By about 8PM, the battery was at 2%, and I still needed to drive home. So the phone was unusable to me if I wanted to have ability to make an emergency call. And if the battery had gone down another 2%, the phone would have been entirely unusable. My iPhone 2G had better battery life than this given similar usage patterns. Sure you can cite LTE vs. 2G and processor ability etc, but battery life made the modern(-ish) phone less useful to me under what I consider are not that strenuous of conditions. This is a real problem, and battery life will definitely be a major consideration to the next phone I buy.
- Coincoin 10y agoI had a 20$ water resistant portable tape player in the 90s with many more holes, buttons and mechanical parts than the iPhone and I could dunk it in water no trouble. Edit: More like in the 80s.
- peyton 10y agoRemoving the jack removes a large hole from the side of the device. In future models we could see scratch-resistant casing made of ceramic or some sort of amorphous alloy. I recall Apple having a patent on a manufacturing process to bond a small aluminum region around the headphone jack to a case made of something harder, so maybe the headphone jack was causing problems in advancing case materials?
- marlowisws 10y agoI don't think this statement makes sense.
- codys 10y agoThe lightning port, mute switch, volume buttons, and power button still exist and are openings in the case edge. If an opening for a 3.5mm jack was an issue for some future design, so would all of the other holes (esp. the lightning port).
- whatevs_people 10y agoThe "issue for some future design" is that the traditional headphone jack doesn't let them sell premium and proprietary headphones.
- intoverflow2 10y agoMakes no sense, why not just make the actual phone material instead of changing the phone to make a better case to shield the fragile phone material
- mirkules 10y agoIn addition to the Galaxy being water resistant with a standard audio jack, the watch has a speaker that expels water automatically from the air cavity. That's a brilliant piece of engineering, so one can't help but wonder if the headphone jack preventing water resistance is truly an engineering problem or simply a (ridiculous) business decision. Personally, I'm going to hold on to the 6s for as long as it's usable and then consider my options. The funny thing is, they made a huge deal about catering to runners in the watch presentation. In the offseason I run about 20 to 30 miles per week, and I can tell you bluetooth headphones suck for running. They fall out easily as soon as I start sweating. Also, during training season the headphones will run out of juice if I don't remember to plug them in. They also drain the phone's battery - on a 30 minute run that's no problem, but on a 2-hour run that sucks. The best earphones are over the head, light-weight ones I can tuck under my cap whcih keeps them in place. Oh well, maybe on the 8 they have a change of heart. And if they don't... there's always OpenMoko
- nardi 10y agoSamsung Galaxy S7 Active Fails Consumer Reports Water-Resistance Test http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s7-active-fails-consumer-reports-water-resistance-test/ http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s7...
- moron4hire 10y agoIt did pass my, "oh shit, the phone slipped out of my hand and into the dish sink" test, though.
- iambateman 10y agoIt's ok to admit that you actually mean toilet. ;)
- moron4hire 10y agoIt really was the dish sink. I wash the baby's bottles by hand.
- eridius 10y agoWhat I read a while ago is the removal of the headphone jack lets them put in another speaker there. I bet that's a big part of how they're able to get 2x louder speakers with higher dynamic range, and, while they didn't mention this, it's possible they might get a bit of stereo when the phone is held in portrait this way. Edit: Why the heck am I being downvoted for this? I'm not even expressing an opinion as to whether I think the jack should have been removed or not.
- SCdF 10y agoCome on. There are plenty of phones with two speakers and a headphone jack. This is the cry of people who desperately want to love a company unconditionally, even when they screw up.
- eridius 10y agoThey moved the headphone jack to the bottom of the phone for a reason (I'm not sure offhand what the specific reason was, but there was one). They can't just move it back to the top. > This is the cry of people who desperately want to love a company unconditionally Insulting people is not how you win arguments. Edit: Seriously guys, what's with the downvotes? I feel like I'm being brigaded at this point.
- throwanem 10y ago> They moved the headphone jack to the bottom of the phone for a reason I seem to recall hearing that was because people most often carry their phones upside-down in their pockets, in order more quickly to bring them up to viewing position when retrieving them. (Think about it: Your hand goes fingers-down into your pocket, but viewing position has the top of the phone alongside your fingertips, so if you pocket your phone upside-down, you don't have to rotate it around the Z axis to get it into position before you can use it.) No idea whether that's actually the case, or whether instead it was something to do with easier component placement or the like. But as far as just-so stories go, it's not a bad one.
- DavidWanjiru 10y agoThe Galaxy Note 7's S pen is considerably bigger than a head phone jack, yet the phone is water proof even with the pen removed from it's slot, so my guess is that can't be it. Assuming, of course, that anything Samsung can do to water proof a phone, Apple can too.
- bdcravens 10y agoPlus the battery helps excess water evaporate :-)
- mulmen 10y agoNever used a Samsung Note 7 but does anything in the pen holder connect inside the phone or is it just a hole surrounded in plastic? With a headphone jack there are a lot (at least 3?) of connections that have to pass into the phone which could complicate the waterproofing.
- serge2k 10y agoIt's got 3, but the lightning connector has 8.
- mulmen 10y agoYeah that's what I really don't understand about all the focus on the waterproofing of the 3.5mm jack. The Lightning port is still there and that has to be at least as hard to waterproof as a 3.5mm jack right? Did Apple design the Lightning port to be waterproof from the outset? If so how did they do it and can they apply that to the 3.5mm port?
- DavidWanjiru 10y agoI hadn't thought of that to be honest, and I've never used one either, but from review videos, it seems that the phone detects when you pull the S pen out, so I'd guess there's some kind of connection.
- internal_tools 10y agoThe water resistant argument is weak at best. I've had water resistant android phones for years without extra bulk. The problem is solved, all Apple had to do is look. With that said, I don't actually disagree with taking the headphone jack out. I do think there needs to be a more universal replacement than what they are suggesting though.
- mead5432 10y ago+1. It's mostly the fact that it was replaced with the lightning port that gets to me more than anything else. If it was something like USB-C, I'd feel more comfortable since that should be more widely available in time.
- endemic 10y agoRE: universal replacement, agreed. I can't see them going to USB-C though, which is a real bummer.
- josteink 10y agoIf they did, that would have shown actual courage though.
- andrepd 10y agoI really can't understand why anyone would consider it a good trade-off. For a bit extra slimness, sacrifice first a good battery and now the headphone jack? I don't get it. Do a few millimetres in thickness make the slightest bit of difference to anyone? On the other hand probably the single most prevalent complaint people have about modern smartphones is the short battery life. They could easily extend the battery by a good 30% or more by making it as thick as the camera bump. Bam, better battery, no ugly camera hump, space to spare for the 3.5mm jack. But no, let's sacrifice all that for a few fractions of a millimetre -.- I swear I don't get it.
- MereInterest 10y agoOf course thinness makes a difference. As a result of how thin they are, a sturdy case is a mandatory accessory. Whether it makes a positive difference is another matter altogether.
- dwg 10y agoKeep in mind that weight is another major factor in considering battery size.
- Elhana 10y agoI don't get the slimness either. I had no issue with my old N900 being twice as thick as my current android (and I loved physical keyboard on it too). I guess if they make battery last 30% longer, then you won't be forced to change a phone in 2-3 years when battery starts deteriorating and it is bad for business.
- erelde 10y agoAbout that bulge. The animation when loading the page made that bulge almost phallic. That phone appears like an erection, growing up and up... It's almost certainly only in my mind though.
- ben010783 10y agoThe bulge isn't as noticeable when you have the phone in a case. I think they just considered the 3.5mm jack a waste of space since it's primary use was doing something you could do with the lightning port.
- consto 10y agoA headphone jack can't make much of a difference, I have a Galaxy S5 which is rated IP67, the same rating as the iPhone 7. It has a flap that covers the microUSB connector, the back panel has rubber seams, yet the headphone jack looks like any other.
- crapolasplatter 10y ago"This confuses me too. The camera wart is ridiculous, and I bet if they made the device just that slight bit thicker they'd have room to retain the 3.5mm jack." This looks like another method to lock in the consumer to their eco system and or squeeze that extra buck out of them. Not so much about shrinking in size or technology. IMO this is nothing more than selling and controlling peripherals that can play with iphone and drm.
- tedmiston 10y agoHaving the camera bulge sells more cases. (Who wants to lay their lens directly on a dirty surface when it sticks out more than the rest of the phone?)
- threesixandnine 10y agoI do. I don't care really. It's supposed to be made out of the material high-end watches are made so little chance of scratches. Sapphire and all that. All in all. I'll wait a year for 7s to replace my 6s if nothing else worthy and working out of the box comes out.
- vanattab 10y ago> > They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? >This confuses me too. The camera wart is ridiculous, and I bet if they made the device just that slight bit thicker they'd have room to retain the 3.5mm jack. I hate that they removed the 3.5 but if you assume that people are using a case then camera wart does not really make the phone any thicker.
- intoverflow2 10y ago> but if you assume that people are using a case So tired of this argument in defence of the wart, people use a case because of the wart and then this is used to justify the wart "everyone uses a case"
- Gustomaximus 10y agoAlso the 2.5mm jack is available. This used to be standard on Nokia ~10 years back til they were forced to come in line with everyone else on the 3.5mm. And bringing this in would annoy some but you'd still have the jack and could easily stick an adapter on the existing 3.5mm cables.
- LoSboccacc 10y agoyeah I specifically abandoned ship from android for the camera bump, it just irks me that a phone at rest is balancing on optics. what annoys me more is that most advancements are only for the 'plus' size model. that's the easy way out of the tech race, and I was just hoping that they brought feature parity with an updated SE model so far I see no good replacement for my 5s except the previous year SE, but I'm not the one to spend that money on two year old hardware.
- richie5um 10y agoI think the key point is that they don't want a wired device. When viewed from that stance, these answers are obvious. Wouldn't surprise me if iPhone 9 was wireless only. Somehow.