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So, hipsters and hipster hate has been around for at least 225 years?
by monknomo 10y ago
So, hipsters and hipster hate has been around for at least 225 years?
- jcl 10y agoFor those unaware, "hipster" turns out to be an excellent analogue to "macaroni"... In the 1940s and 50s the term had positive connotations as someone fashionable or in-the-know, but it has since come to be a term of ridicule. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=hipster http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&searc...
- Apocryphon 10y agoHipsters are a subclass of fops, I think.
- aaronbrethorst 10y agoI hated fops before it was cool. And yes, according to Wikipedia you are absolutely correct! Some of the very many similar alternative terms are: "coxcomb",[1] fribble, "popinjay" (meaning "parrot"), fashion-monger, and "ninny". "Macaroni" was another term, of the 18th century, more specifically concerned with fashion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fop
- Apocryphon 10y agoI figured it'd be accurate, given that the subject of the song is a Yankee Doodle dandy.
- sk5t 10y agoOr perhaps a sibling to fops, and child of dandy.
- reflexive 10y agoYankee Doodle went to town Without his shaving razor Ate so much his pants got tight And called himself a hipster
- jcoffland 10y agoKeep your day job.
- jsmthrowaway 10y agoNow imagine digital archaeologists coming across your version and writing the equivalent explanatory article for future readers.
- wolfgke 10y agoHipsters are no food and probably are also no food in the future. ;-)
- maxerickson 10y agoI bet there is a letter from Roman times that calls out some hipster analogue.
- jdminhbg 10y agoThe idea that current generations are less manly and morally upright than their forefathers is basically the defining trope of Roman literature.
- dexwiz 10y agoI think that is the the defining trope of the older generation.
- ef4 10y agoYup, when your founders were fathered by Mars and suckled by a she-wolf, you can only go downhill from there.
- snovv_crash 10y agoInterestingly, in Latin, a she-wolf (lupa) is slang for a prostitute. For some inexplicable reason I feel that it is much more likely that they were nursed by a prostitute than by a wolf ;-)
- toomanybeersies 10y agoI'm sure a quick reading of Aristophanes would turn up some humor against hipsters. On the note of ancient literature, it's amusing to note that penis jokes have been around for over 2000 years, some things just never get old.
- douche 10y agoThe Romans drew penises on everything, all the time[1]. They're like your friends, when you fall asleep at a house party [1] http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1113411682/ancient-romans-drew-penises-on-everything-and-heres-why-122715/ http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1113411682/ancient-roma...
- breadbox 10y agoI'm fairly certain it can be dated back to the dawn of written language, and presumably extends back to the beginning of human society. Hell, if there is a verifiable record of a time period in which a significant fraction of the established generation wasn't moaning on about how the next generation was ruining everything, I'd like to know about it.
- wonkaWonka 10y agoHMMPH! AUSTRALOPITHECUS THINK HIM SO GOOD WITH ANIMAL PELT. ME SHOW HIM! ME IMPRESS CAVE LADY WITH SUCH SMOOTH ROCK. THEN HIM NOT THINK HIM SO GOOD AS ME!
- Dylan16807 10y ago> the established generation wasn't moaning on about how the next generation was ruining everything That's not at all what people mean when they talk about 'hipsters'.
- breadbox 10y agoPerhaps not always, but in my experience it largely comes from the same place, and has about as much actual reason behind it.
- philovivero 10y ago> macaronis drank only milk, avoided eating roast beef at all costs, and disdained popular gathering places like bars and coffeehouses Looks like Macaronis were not hipsters. One cannot separate a hipster from his coffee and brew.
- derefr 10y agoDrinking coffee was one thing, but visiting a coffee-house was perhaps another. The term brings to mind a very different environment even just by adding the context that the coffee-house exists in modern-day Amsterdam; I can't guess what the social milieu of a coffee-house would be in 1700s Britain.
- SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago> I can't guess what the social milieu of a coffee-house would be in 1700s Britain. Quite an interesting topic, actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_coffeehouses_in_the_17th_and_18th_centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_coffeehouses_in_the_17...
- JulianMorrison 10y agoAnd for roughly the same reason: masculinity enforcement against a group perceived as flouting gender.
- CPLX 10y agoThat's not the reason people find hipsters annoying, doubly so these days as the lumbersexual look that's all the rage relies on exaggerated masculine stereotypes.
- JulianMorrison 10y agoIt's a queered version of masculine stereotypes, though, because it's playful and not serious. And it gets attacked for being not really masculine, along the lines of "have you ever cut down a tree or fought a grizzly? Then have a razor."
- CPLX 10y agoIf you say so. Personally I am annoyed by hipster culture because it's often pretentious and judgemental of others while living off family money, confuses materialistic fetishizing of certain kinds of brands with genuine authenticity, and fundamentally is an expression of narcissism. I could care less what gender they express.
- mason240 10y agoI dislike it because it's essentially privileged urbanites mocking working class rural people.