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The software will run on inexpensive dumb hardware from whitelabel manufacturers such as Quanta computers. The secret sauce in hardware that gave Cisco big marg
by mdani 10y ago
The software will run on inexpensive dumb hardware from whitelabel manufacturers such as Quanta computers. The secret sauce in hardware that gave Cisco big margins is increasingly replaced by software that is good enough (e.g. You can use SDN controller and a cheap switch hardware to replace very expensive Cisco stuff). The trend in Enterprises and telcos is to use cloud (AWS, GCE, Azure,...) and open source (aka Facebook Open Compute) so the hardware spending has slowed down. (in tier 1 carrier I deal with, all new deployments must be on Openstack that uses whitelabel hardware purchased in bulk). EMC, Oracle, Cisco, HP are facing the impacts of such decisions.
- karma_vaccum123 10y ago> all new deployments must be on Openstack you have my sympathies
- hueving 10y agoBetter that then yet more money funneling into the pockets of the big cloud companies.
- karma_vaccum123 10y agoHow so? Most of the OpenStack stewards are as stodgy and corporate...
- hueving 10y agoOpenStack is open source. It can be forked, modified, whatever. Let me know when you manage to build your own AWS cloud with Amazon's software and then I'll entertain the thought that they are comparable.
- bogomipz 10y agoIts not about money funneling into the pockets of the big cloud providers, its about engineering hours being better spent. Openstack is bit of a mess.
- majewsky 10y agoAbsolutely. I'm still waiting for any two things in OpenStack to be consistent with each other. Related: My compilation of OpenStack rage tweets. https://twitter.com/search?q=@stefanmajewsky%20#openstack&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=@stefanmajewsky%20#openstack&sr...
- hueving 10y agoLink just takes me to your twitter profile. I suspect if you can't correctly paste a link, you can't use openstack. :P
- majewsky 10y agoGah, Twitter. Correct link: https://twitter.com/search?q=@stefanmajewsky%20%23openstack&src=typd https://twitter.com/search?q=@stefanmajewsky%20%23openstack&...
- the_duke 10y agoWhat's so bad about OpenStack?
- im_down_w_otp 10y agoWhat's good about it? It's a bunch of different dumpster fires created by a bunch of committees across a bunch of companies which mostly compete with each other, and as such have no real incentive or motivation to have it all work well together even if they had the ability to, and the ability alone is seriously in question.
- karma_vaccum123 10y agoThe Vision: a community-managed set of integrated tools that let you create a featureful cloud on hardware you control. The Reality: a bunch of python scripts everyone forks.. committee politics...frustration OpenStack is a great example of going "community" before the problem is well understood or there is a solution people trust. It's basically a tire fire at this point and most of the community participants are market losers.
- Rapzid 10y agoSubstitute Python for bash and I get the same sense from Kubernetes.. I'm not sure it's fair to say "before the problem is well understood... But maybe. Whatever Google had going on internally Kubernetes is very much figuring it out along the way at almost every level. If you are wanting to use on AWS then you have kops, kube-up, hyperkube, protokube; a dizzying, un-approachable and interconnected ecosystem of launch scripts/programs. Very strange interop decisions with AWS, but hard to fault because it's darn near one person trying to manage all AWS integrations.
- yardie 10y agoI tried to use OpenStack 4 years in our new PaaS product. I ended up pulling it and using the regular, well baked tools built into our managed hardware. I see much hasn't changed in those intervening years.
- hueving 10y ago>I see much hasn't changed in those intervening years. Source?
- walrus01 10y agoWhite box switches are all great in the data center if we are talking about a shitload of layer 2 and TRILL, but somebody still has to manufacture the core routers capable of advanced IP layer 3 features at line rate 400-1000Gbps bus backplane per slot. You're not going to whitebox replace an ASR9010 with 3rd generation line cards.
- creshal 10y agoIt's a much smaller market than the old "everything with more than one network port should be Cisco" mantra, though. Yeah, Cisco won't disappear any time soon, but their market is shrinking.
- signa11 10y ago> Yeah, Cisco won't disappear any time soon, but their market is shrinking. do you think cisco is in danger of becoming SGI of networking ?
- sitkack 10y agoA much smaller company could definitely create these very high end switches and routers, with a business and support model unlike that of Cisco.
- walrus01 10y agoAnd they won't be trusted or used by large carriers for serious POPs for many years. New manufacturers have tried to show up on the market and sell routers that are designed to be highly redundant and offer a full suite of layer 3 feature set to handle full global v6/v6 routing tables. They've either failed or been acquired. Major ISP backbones are very risk averse, when you're trying to run a six nines availability IP services POP. The routing software needs to be rock solid and mature when you're looking at a twin pair of core routers in a node that might be handling 200-300 Gbps of traffic and critical edge peering/transit connections.