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I travel often to China, yes not just Mobile Tech, but also many fronts it is taking the lead. The bottom line, East Asia has the highest average IQ on the glob

by ausjke 10y ago

I travel often to China, yes not just Mobile Tech, but also many fronts it is taking the lead. The bottom line, East Asia has the highest average IQ on the globe, and China produces almost 4x engineer degrees each year of what US has. With globalization in a world that is flat, and the extremely hard working attitude plus education-first tradition there, the future looks great on its side. In US, we're dealing with so many social issues while other countries are catching up on many key fronts.

jackcosgrove 10y ago
The rule of law, private property protections, and fair courts count for a lot in the wealth game. China has lots of potential but the politics are too corrupt. Chinese growth is being suppressed, if you can believe it, by corruption. I totally agree on the education-fifth attitude in the US though. I think attitudes are changing a bit as reality bites those who screwed off in school harder and harder every year. The public schools are still a shambles.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  > The rule of law, private property protections, and fair courts count for a lot in the wealth game. I think this is a more nuanced issue. For instance, for the most part, China seems like libertarian paradise, but try and fuck with food supply and you'll get sentenced to death. Which, honestly, I consider fair. In the West, we're too far on the other end of the spectrum - overregulation of honest businesses and not enough punishment for dishonest entrepreneurs. Regarding private property protections, we have this IMO absurd notion of intellectual property, which hinders innovation and progress on our side, sometimes in pretty ridiculous ways (Elsevier comes to mind). As for fair courts, I had (thankfully) zero experience with those in China so I don't know how bad it is there, but the justice system in Western countries isn't looking peachy either.
  - microcolonel 10y ago
    A libertarian paradise where your money is used to build roads and buildings which nobody uses; and where it is illegal to broadcast depictions of homosexuality, recreational drug use, or the european occult. I also encourage you to look a bit deeper at the issue of the legal system. I think your tune will change the moment you're put to death for juggling carrots you don't own while drunk.
    - saiya-jin 10y ago
      compared to US, where your taxes are used to sponsor similar type of paranoid spying state and of course also sponsoring illegal wars half around the world without any good reason, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians directly, millions indirectly. yeah, big difference...
cft 10y ago
Here the ideological elite is set out to prove that everybody is equally capable, and IQ is a construct. The creation of value is increasingly being replaced by value redistribution among the poorest and value transference among the upper middle classes. In corporations, professional management is replacing value creation with politics and stupid games. Yesterday I watched two people launching a professional DJI Inspire drone. The iPad app for this drone is more complicated than Airbnb or Uber apps. I am not talking about the drone itself.. DJI is a Chinese drone company with a billion dollar revenue. The consequences of these trends will be rather grim for the American economy in 30 years. I expect to get about -7 karma for this , since denial is the crucial part of the problem.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  I'm not sure I follow this at all. China doesn't have politics and stupid games? What are these generalizations even?!
- ximeng 10y ago
  "Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downvote you or announce that you expect to get downvoted." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- adventured 10y ago
  The US has nothing to fear from China, any more than they did Japan a quarter century ago. China is drowning in the greatest accumulation of debt in world history, it's going to choke off their economy for generations to come. They'll refuse - as they're doing now - to put down the zombie corporations, perfectly copying the mistakes Japan made. They'll endlessly stimulate with debt while they sink lower. The prediction about China growing old before it becomes wealthy at the median, is already in the third inning of happening. And further proof of China being a non-threat: US manufacturing has grown dramatically since China's manufacturing came onto the global scene 30 plus years ago. The US economy has grown dramatically, while China's economy boomed. US standards of living have not contracted; quite the opposite, more people have moved up out of the middle class in the US, than down out of it, over the last 30 years. The US has the world's second highest household median disposable income level, which hasn't been diminished at all by China's rise. The US has seen no significant damage to its ability to create full-time employment, or possess a low unemployment rate. The US hasn't lost its wealth position in the world in the last 30 years, still owning around 43% to 45% of all private global wealth. The US has seen no damage to the USD global reserve currency with the modest rise of the Yuan, it has mostly taken position from other second tier currencies. So, where's the evidence supporting damage - now or in the near future - exactly? There has been none. If anything the US has benefited from China and is likely to continue to do so.
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adventured 10y ago
> East Asia has the highest average IQ on the globe I'd have to see a vast amount of unbiased supporting evidence to believe such an outlandish claim. The actual results sure don't indicate that's the case: Japan's 25 year disaster, collapsing standards of living and generally very poorly run economy. Cambodia. Laos. Philippines. Vietnam. North Korea. China's vast poverty and pollution, extremely poor system of government and hyper debt problems. Taiwan has half the standard of living of advanced Western European nations. South Korea's economy is particularly unimpressive compared to the US and much of Western Europe. And of course then there's Eastern Russia, which is a big part of East Asia, no need to elaborate on their condition. Where's the empirical evidence for such a bold IQ claim? There isn't even scientific production evidence to support it versus the US and Western Europe.
- jackcosgrove 10y ago
  The evidence I have seen suggests a modestly higher average IQ in East Asian countries, between 104 and 106 whereas European countries can be from 98 to 102. I think cultural factors such as work ethic and valuing education matter more in real life.
  - peyton 10y ago
    Generally numbers like those coming out of the region are based on underrepresentative samples of high achievers. You may be thinking of Lynn's IQ and Global Inequality.
    - zorked 10y ago
      Is there anyone other than Americans who even believe in IQ? Where I come from talking about IQ will put you in the same category of people who believe in chemtrails.
      - peyton 10y ago
        Not an expert, but there seems to be a preponderance of evidence that IQ has predictive power. It's probably less popular in places with a sordid past of Social Darwinism, such as Germany or plantation societies like the Philippines and other former Spanish colonies.
Hydraulix989 10y ago
The population is also 4x higher in China than the US.
seanmcdirmid 10y ago
> The bottom line, East Asia has the highest average IQ on the globe, and China produces almost 4x engineer degrees each year of what US has. The quality of most of those degrees is lacking. If you look at high quality output, then China lags the US; many Chinese students still dream of heading to the states for grad school.
plandis 10y ago
So just so we're clear. You're saying that the Chinese are more intelligent than the west? Man, when did HN become racist...

by ausjke 10y ago

jackcosgrove 10y ago

The rule of law, private property protections, and fair courts count for a lot in the wealth game. China has lots of potential but the politics are too corrupt. Chinese growth is being suppressed, if you can believe it, by corruption. I totally agree on the education-fifth attitude in the US though. I think attitudes are changing a bit as reality bites those who screwed off in school harder and harder every year. The public schools are still a shambles.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
> The rule of law, private property protections, and fair courts count for a lot in the wealth game. I think this is a more nuanced issue. For instance, for the most part, China seems like libertarian paradise, but try and fuck with food supply and you'll get sentenced to death. Which, honestly, I consider fair. In the West, we're too far on the other end of the spectrum - overregulation of honest businesses and not enough punishment for dishonest entrepreneurs. Regarding private property protections, we have this IMO absurd notion of intellectual property, which hinders innovation and progress on our side, sometimes in pretty ridiculous ways (Elsevier comes to mind). As for fair courts, I had (thankfully) zero experience with those in China so I don't know how bad it is there, but the justice system in Western countries isn't looking peachy either.
- microcolonel 10y ago
  A libertarian paradise where your money is used to build roads and buildings which nobody uses; and where it is illegal to broadcast depictions of homosexuality, recreational drug use, or the european occult. I also encourage you to look a bit deeper at the issue of the legal system. I think your tune will change the moment you're put to death for juggling carrots you don't own while drunk.
  - saiya-jin 10y ago
    compared to US, where your taxes are used to sponsor similar type of paranoid spying state and of course also sponsoring illegal wars half around the world without any good reason, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians directly, millions indirectly. yeah, big difference...

cft 10y ago

Here the ideological elite is set out to prove that everybody is equally capable, and IQ is a construct. The creation of value is increasingly being replaced by value redistribution among the poorest and value transference among the upper middle classes. In corporations, professional management is replacing value creation with politics and stupid games. Yesterday I watched two people launching a professional DJI Inspire drone. The iPad app for this drone is more complicated than Airbnb or Uber apps. I am not talking about the drone itself.. DJI is a Chinese drone company with a billion dollar revenue. The consequences of these trends will be rather grim for the American economy in 30 years. I expect to get about -7 karma for this , since denial is the crucial part of the problem.

Hydraulix989 10y ago
I'm not sure I follow this at all. China doesn't have politics and stupid games? What are these generalizations even?!
ximeng 10y ago
"Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downvote you or announce that you expect to get downvoted." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
adventured 10y ago
The US has nothing to fear from China, any more than they did Japan a quarter century ago. China is drowning in the greatest accumulation of debt in world history, it's going to choke off their economy for generations to come. They'll refuse - as they're doing now - to put down the zombie corporations, perfectly copying the mistakes Japan made. They'll endlessly stimulate with debt while they sink lower. The prediction about China growing old before it becomes wealthy at the median, is already in the third inning of happening. And further proof of China being a non-threat: US manufacturing has grown dramatically since China's manufacturing came onto the global scene 30 plus years ago. The US economy has grown dramatically, while China's economy boomed. US standards of living have not contracted; quite the opposite, more people have moved up out of the middle class in the US, than down out of it, over the last 30 years. The US has the world's second highest household median disposable income level, which hasn't been diminished at all by China's rise. The US has seen no significant damage to its ability to create full-time employment, or possess a low unemployment rate. The US hasn't lost its wealth position in the world in the last 30 years, still owning around 43% to 45% of all private global wealth. The US has seen no damage to the USD global reserve currency with the modest rise of the Yuan, it has mostly taken position from other second tier currencies. So, where's the evidence supporting damage - now or in the near future - exactly? There has been none. If anything the US has benefited from China and is likely to continue to do so.

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adventured 10y ago

> East Asia has the highest average IQ on the globe I'd have to see a vast amount of unbiased supporting evidence to believe such an outlandish claim. The actual results sure don't indicate that's the case: Japan's 25 year disaster, collapsing standards of living and generally very poorly run economy. Cambodia. Laos. Philippines. Vietnam. North Korea. China's vast poverty and pollution, extremely poor system of government and hyper debt problems. Taiwan has half the standard of living of advanced Western European nations. South Korea's economy is particularly unimpressive compared to the US and much of Western Europe. And of course then there's Eastern Russia, which is a big part of East Asia, no need to elaborate on their condition. Where's the empirical evidence for such a bold IQ claim? There isn't even scientific production evidence to support it versus the US and Western Europe.

jackcosgrove 10y ago
The evidence I have seen suggests a modestly higher average IQ in East Asian countries, between 104 and 106 whereas European countries can be from 98 to 102. I think cultural factors such as work ethic and valuing education matter more in real life.
- peyton 10y ago
  Generally numbers like those coming out of the region are based on underrepresentative samples of high achievers. You may be thinking of Lynn's IQ and Global Inequality.
  - zorked 10y ago
    Is there anyone other than Americans who even believe in IQ? Where I come from talking about IQ will put you in the same category of people who believe in chemtrails.
    - peyton 10y ago
      Not an expert, but there seems to be a preponderance of evidence that IQ has predictive power. It's probably less popular in places with a sordid past of Social Darwinism, such as Germany or plantation societies like the Philippines and other former Spanish colonies.

Hydraulix989 10y ago

The population is also 4x higher in China than the US.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

> The bottom line, East Asia has the highest average IQ on the globe, and China produces almost 4x engineer degrees each year of what US has. The quality of most of those degrees is lacking. If you look at high quality output, then China lags the US; many Chinese students still dream of heading to the states for grad school.

plandis 10y ago

So just so we're clear. You're saying that the Chinese are more intelligent than the west? Man, when did HN become racist...