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As far as I understand it, there is no way to know what Microsoft sends, unless you work at Microsoft. As such, the "bullshit anti-Microsoft fairy tale stuff"

• adventured 10y ago
  > just as valid as whatever you believe that they send Just because multiple things are possible in this case, that doesn't inherently mean all things are equally plausible. Otherwise we'd have to pretend that the lizard people conspiracy theory is as likely as anything else that has yet to be proven. Your premise drops the critical consideration of plausibility and declares all possibilities equal, no matter how fantastical. That's the same logic error that leads people to believe one roulette wheel spin influences the next, and that if you have two possibilities then the odds must always be 50/50 regardless of context.
  • Sylos 10y ago
    Right, I didn't expect someone to put my comment through their formal logic interpreter which doesn't make any assumptions about context and meaning whatsoever. What I meant was that any bullshit anti-Microsoft fairy tale stuff, which is not trivially disprovable as physically impossible or clearly illogical for Microsoft to do, is just as valid as whatever he/she believes. That is, as long as his/her beliefs are also within this same range of thinkable things that Microsoft could do, as otherwise those other claims would actually be more valid.
  • marcosdumay 10y ago
    Why would Microsoft reserve the right to upload absolutely anything they want from your computer if they had no plans of uploading things you don't expect them to? You can claim that Microsoft spying on their clients again¹ is a fantastical proposition all you want. It does not make it so. 1 - They were caught a few times doing that already, and even stealing IP.
• rdudek 10y ago
  But why just target Microsoft? What about Google? Apple? Big data is huge and there is no end in sight as far as growth goes! Telemetry is a big success. And we're talking about regular usage now. Hospitals use new state of the art EMR software with all kinds of telemetry built it as well.
  • ionised 10y ago
    People do target Google and Apple too.
  • tunap 10y ago
    Is this a calculated derailment technique? Why MS? Because MS is the subject being discussed in this post, is why. Wanna talk Apple? Open up an Apple privacy related article's comments and you'll read the same concerns accompanied by more red herrings asking 'why just Apple?'. Repeat for Goggle, if you need further clarification. Why not Verizon? Why not NSA? Why not the traffic strips counting cars? why not the ticket guy @ the cinema?
    • rdudek 10y ago
      Let's rephrase that, why isn't the French government going after Google, Apple, and others for telemetry?
      • tunap 10y ago
        They have. Repeatedly. And for whatever reasons most are unaware of, they appear to be getting away with their actions more or less. Why? I don't know, ask a lawmaker. Or better yet, ask a lobbyist. Even better, ask the DHS PAC: Edit: US example, I have no idea how France government works. http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/11/30/bfp-report-meet-the-department-of-homeland-security%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98distinguished%E2%80%99-privacy-advisory-committee-members/ http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/11/30/bfp-report-meet-t...
      • dijit 10y ago
        Google; no idea, but they're not in the desktop market or used as a business OS exclusively so that may be why. Apple; there's a toggle switch to turn off telemetry and it works. But it's also not a primary business operating system and doesn't hold the market capital the same way either. If the country was running on apple products for mail, appointment making, meetings, and all national work was done on apple OS, then it would be open to the same scrutiny. But even so, they've been good about keeping their nose out of your operating system.
• rasz_pl 10y ago
  but we do know what they are logging, and they are logging everything and the kitchen sink compared to retail Win 7 install.