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Suggestions and/or concepts you (OP) want to evoke: Patriot Freedom Liberty Good Citizen Free Speech America Fourth Amendment Secure In Papers

by mildavw 10y ago

Suggestions and/or concepts you (OP) want to evoke: Patriot Freedom Liberty Good Citizen Free Speech America Fourth Amendment Secure In Papers Right To Privacy

henryboldi 10y ago
Hence launching on the 4th of july ;)
- mildavw 10y ago
  4th Of July
- eganist 10y ago
  Should've called it Liberty. :)
programmarchy 10y ago
I'll add a counter point and say that I like the name. Politicians have a history of inverting meanings, e.g. Patriot Act, Affordable Health Care Act, etc. -- the public is almost conditioned to invert logic to understand things at this point. Personally, I find the terms above to be patronizing and even suspicious in the political context. The mental operation of inverting the word felony is kind of interesting and thought provoking, IMO.
- ryanSrich 10y ago
  It's almost satirical, which I'm fine with.
- mysterypie 10y ago
  > the public is almost conditioned to invert logic Only a Hacker News type of person will invert the logic. The general public won't. Ask your neighbor to guess the purpose of the Banking Secrecy Act [1]. Does it protect your money and your financial privacy, or does it make banks snitch on you and strip away financial privacy? Even I was surprised that the name of the law and the actual text are exact opposites. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act
- mildavw 10y ago
  I hear ya. And I'm sure most HN readers understand and share your cynicism. But I think naming it something satirical and anti-double-speak ultimately increases your odds of being misunderstood. The OP is honestly interested in furthering the right to privacy. State it plainly and simply. (It doesn't inoculate the app from being painted as a terrorist abetter, but it's the best you can do.)
- rwallace 10y ago
  If you're going to invert meanings, you need to be careful about the polarity. The way politicians (and corporations) do it is, as you observe, to take something bad (that they want to support) and put a good label on it; for obvious reasons, this is a winning move. What's going on here is taking something good and putting a bad label on it; for reasons which should be equally obvious, this is a losing move.
- api 10y ago
  That's not ironic inversion of meaning. That's straight up deception.
pmorici 10y ago
Patriot Paper
darklajid 10y ago
I disagree that "America" and "Fourth Amendment" are a good concept, unless you target a very limited subset of humanity. Patriotism is something I wouldn't like either, I think that's a rather odd concept (and not related to liberty, freedom or security). Good Citizen sounds like it comes straight from a famous book inventing doublespeak. Even Free Speech is not a global concept - the way you capitalize it I assume you're after the US version again. Probably the lesson is (again) that naming things is a hard problem (I agree that Felony might not be a good name too by the way)
- viraptor 10y ago
  Other names have a funny coincidence: Secure In Papers and Right To Privacy. Both SIP and RTP are existing protocols for chat/calls/presence on the internet. Most voip phones use them, so if people started using the initialisms, it could confuse some people in the context of internet message exchange.
clarkmoody 10y ago
+1 for Liberty That's the concept that encapsulates privacy, speech, etc. The America-centric names are less appealing to me, since many equate "America" with the federal government, which is definitely not the friend of liberty / free speech / privacy.
- nailer 10y ago
  +1 for 'Privacy'. Liberty is America centric. And privacy is more specific.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    > "Liberty is America centric." I wouldn't say it belongs to any nation, though if it had to belong to one it'd probably be France. The first two things that come to mind when I think of the word 'liberty' are both of French origin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberté,_égalité,_fraternité https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberté,_égalité,_fraternité https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
    - nailer 10y ago
      You're right re: France, but people in the UK, Ireland, Germany and Australia talk much less about liberties than they do about privacy. Oddly, this government minister [http://news.sky.com/story/1675276/conservative-mp-calls-for-ban-on-curtains http://news.sky.com/story/1675276/conservative-mp-calls-for-...] was so shocked and outraged about requests for leaders to reveal their tax returns he suggested banning curtains as a equivalent. He's from the same government that collects and reads all email of all citizens.
takeda 10y ago
IMO liberty is probably the best name from that list.
callumlocke 10y ago
Disagree with all of these. Why politicise it at all? Why not just allude to security or communication?

by mildavw 10y ago

Suggestions and/or concepts you (OP) want to evoke: Patriot Freedom Liberty Good Citizen Free Speech America Fourth Amendment Secure In Papers Right To Privacy

henryboldi 10y ago

Hence launching on the 4th of july ;)

mildavw 10y ago
4th Of July
eganist 10y ago
Should've called it Liberty. :)

programmarchy 10y ago

I'll add a counter point and say that I like the name. Politicians have a history of inverting meanings, e.g. Patriot Act, Affordable Health Care Act, etc. -- the public is almost conditioned to invert logic to understand things at this point. Personally, I find the terms above to be patronizing and even suspicious in the political context. The mental operation of inverting the word felony is kind of interesting and thought provoking, IMO.

ryanSrich 10y ago
It's almost satirical, which I'm fine with.
mysterypie 10y ago
> the public is almost conditioned to invert logic Only a Hacker News type of person will invert the logic. The general public won't. Ask your neighbor to guess the purpose of the Banking Secrecy Act [1]. Does it protect your money and your financial privacy, or does it make banks snitch on you and strip away financial privacy? Even I was surprised that the name of the law and the actual text are exact opposites. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act
mildavw 10y ago
I hear ya. And I'm sure most HN readers understand and share your cynicism. But I think naming it something satirical and anti-double-speak ultimately increases your odds of being misunderstood. The OP is honestly interested in furthering the right to privacy. State it plainly and simply. (It doesn't inoculate the app from being painted as a terrorist abetter, but it's the best you can do.)
rwallace 10y ago
If you're going to invert meanings, you need to be careful about the polarity. The way politicians (and corporations) do it is, as you observe, to take something bad (that they want to support) and put a good label on it; for obvious reasons, this is a winning move. What's going on here is taking something good and putting a bad label on it; for reasons which should be equally obvious, this is a losing move.
api 10y ago
That's not ironic inversion of meaning. That's straight up deception.

pmorici 10y ago

Patriot Paper

darklajid 10y ago

I disagree that "America" and "Fourth Amendment" are a good concept, unless you target a very limited subset of humanity. Patriotism is something I wouldn't like either, I think that's a rather odd concept (and not related to liberty, freedom or security). Good Citizen sounds like it comes straight from a famous book inventing doublespeak. Even Free Speech is not a global concept - the way you capitalize it I assume you're after the US version again. Probably the lesson is (again) that naming things is a hard problem (I agree that Felony might not be a good name too by the way)

viraptor 10y ago
Other names have a funny coincidence: Secure In Papers and Right To Privacy. Both SIP and RTP are existing protocols for chat/calls/presence on the internet. Most voip phones use them, so if people started using the initialisms, it could confuse some people in the context of internet message exchange.

clarkmoody 10y ago

+1 for Liberty That's the concept that encapsulates privacy, speech, etc. The America-centric names are less appealing to me, since many equate "America" with the federal government, which is definitely not the friend of liberty / free speech / privacy.

nailer 10y ago
+1 for 'Privacy'. Liberty is America centric. And privacy is more specific.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  > "Liberty is America centric." I wouldn't say it belongs to any nation, though if it had to belong to one it'd probably be France. The first two things that come to mind when I think of the word 'liberty' are both of French origin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberté,_égalité,_fraternité https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberté,_égalité,_fraternité https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
  - nailer 10y ago
    You're right re: France, but people in the UK, Ireland, Germany and Australia talk much less about liberties than they do about privacy. Oddly, this government minister [http://news.sky.com/story/1675276/conservative-mp-calls-for-ban-on-curtains http://news.sky.com/story/1675276/conservative-mp-calls-for-...] was so shocked and outraged about requests for leaders to reveal their tax returns he suggested banning curtains as a equivalent. He's from the same government that collects and reads all email of all citizens.

takeda 10y ago

IMO liberty is probably the best name from that list.

callumlocke 10y ago

Disagree with all of these. Why politicise it at all? Why not just allude to security or communication?