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We buy more from the EU than we sell. We are the EUs biggest market. We buy 1,000,000 cars from Germany. It is massively in the EU's interests to do a deal wit

We buy more from the EU than we sell. We are the EUs biggest market. We buy 1,000,000 cars from Germany. It is massively in the EU's interests to do a deal with us quickly.

sangnoir 10y ago
Politics is not always rational. It is also in the interest of the survival of the EU to deal with the UK in a heavy-handed manner. If a precedent is set that shows leaving the union is all upsides with no downsides, why would other countries remain? IMO, France has the greatest risk of leaving next, and without France, the whole EU might collapse. The kid gloves are definitely going to come off in the negotiations: I have an inkling that's why the 'Leave' campaign is delaying the invocation of article 50.
- zepto 10y ago
  People keep saying this, but punishing the UK for leaving could easily give further fuel to the French leave campaign. And of course an exited Britain could extend an olive branch to France.
  - Daishiman 10y ago
    After a 10% reduction in real income for the Brits just one day after the referendum? Fat chance.
    - zepto 10y ago
      That 10% is just the market reacting to it's failed prediction.
      - gakada 10y ago
        But the prediction was that the status quo would continue.
    - amscanne 10y ago
      What does "real income" mean to you? Income in USD? The only sensible way to measure income is with purchasing power, and that's far more complex than an exchange rate (since many of the services and goods originate in the UK anyways).
  - Oletros 10y ago
    > People keep saying this, but punishing the UK for leaving could easily give further fuel to the French leave campaign. Giving the same deal that they have right now is what will give further fuel to leave. Why should I stay when I can have a better deal leaving?
    - zepto 10y ago
      Sure - but the converse - punishing them for leaving - confirms that the EU is a political hegemony whose purpose is to usurp sovereignty, rather than a mutually beneficial union of member states who are members by choice. That would provide perfect ammunition for nationalists everywhere. See: http://newobserveronline.com/brexit-contagion-germany-fears-5-leaves/ http://newobserveronline.com/brexit-contagion-germany-fears-...
      - Oletros 10y ago
        > Sure - but the converse - punishing them for leaving In what world is punishing having a worst deal that they have now because they don't have the duties? And yes, you talk about mutual beneficial union, that is not what UK wants Do you have read your link? Because it says that the contagion will happen if there is a good deal with UK. Just the contrary you say
- volatilitish 10y ago
  > I have an inkling that's why the 'Leave' campaign is delaying the invocation of article 50. Seriously. Do you even know what you're talking about? Only our elected government (who were on the remain side), can invoke article 50, and it's up to them to decide when. Hopefully the whole EU does collapse.
  - sangnoir 10y ago
    > Do you even know what you're talking about As a matter of fact, yes I do. Boris Johnson has come out and said there is "no need to rush", and he was on the Leave side. > Only our elected government (who were on the remain side), can invoke article 50 That's just a roundabout way of saying "The Tories", innit? Cameron is a lame duck, and if the Leave wing of the Tories wanted him out tomorrow, he'd be out tomorrow.
    - volatilitish 10y ago
      And Boris Johnson isn't in any position of power currently. It's not up to him yet.
jeroen 10y ago
It is in the EU's interest to make that deal less favourable for the UK than the current situation. Making a point about the benefits of the EU membership is really important right now.
bigheadpercoli 10y ago
A new trade deal will likely lead to higher car cost in England. Which car company in the UK could take the market share from Germany? Seems like a seller market to me.

We buy more from the EU than we sell. We are the EUs biggest market. We buy 1,000,000 cars from Germany. It is massively in the EU's interests to do a deal with us quickly.

sangnoir 10y ago

Politics is not always rational. It is also in the interest of the survival of the EU to deal with the UK in a heavy-handed manner. If a precedent is set that shows leaving the union is all upsides with no downsides, why would other countries remain? IMO, France has the greatest risk of leaving next, and without France, the whole EU might collapse. The kid gloves are definitely going to come off in the negotiations: I have an inkling that's why the 'Leave' campaign is delaying the invocation of article 50.

zepto 10y ago
People keep saying this, but punishing the UK for leaving could easily give further fuel to the French leave campaign. And of course an exited Britain could extend an olive branch to France.
- Daishiman 10y ago
  After a 10% reduction in real income for the Brits just one day after the referendum? Fat chance.
  - zepto 10y ago
    That 10% is just the market reacting to it's failed prediction.
    - gakada 10y ago
      But the prediction was that the status quo would continue.
  - amscanne 10y ago
    What does "real income" mean to you? Income in USD? The only sensible way to measure income is with purchasing power, and that's far more complex than an exchange rate (since many of the services and goods originate in the UK anyways).
- Oletros 10y ago
  > People keep saying this, but punishing the UK for leaving could easily give further fuel to the French leave campaign. Giving the same deal that they have right now is what will give further fuel to leave. Why should I stay when I can have a better deal leaving?
  - zepto 10y ago
    Sure - but the converse - punishing them for leaving - confirms that the EU is a political hegemony whose purpose is to usurp sovereignty, rather than a mutually beneficial union of member states who are members by choice. That would provide perfect ammunition for nationalists everywhere. See: http://newobserveronline.com/brexit-contagion-germany-fears-5-leaves/ http://newobserveronline.com/brexit-contagion-germany-fears-...
    - Oletros 10y ago
      > Sure - but the converse - punishing them for leaving In what world is punishing having a worst deal that they have now because they don't have the duties? And yes, you talk about mutual beneficial union, that is not what UK wants Do you have read your link? Because it says that the contagion will happen if there is a good deal with UK. Just the contrary you say
volatilitish 10y ago
> I have an inkling that's why the 'Leave' campaign is delaying the invocation of article 50. Seriously. Do you even know what you're talking about? Only our elected government (who were on the remain side), can invoke article 50, and it's up to them to decide when. Hopefully the whole EU does collapse.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > Do you even know what you're talking about As a matter of fact, yes I do. Boris Johnson has come out and said there is "no need to rush", and he was on the Leave side. > Only our elected government (who were on the remain side), can invoke article 50 That's just a roundabout way of saying "The Tories", innit? Cameron is a lame duck, and if the Leave wing of the Tories wanted him out tomorrow, he'd be out tomorrow.
  - volatilitish 10y ago
    And Boris Johnson isn't in any position of power currently. It's not up to him yet.

jeroen 10y ago

It is in the EU's interest to make that deal less favourable for the UK than the current situation. Making a point about the benefits of the EU membership is really important right now.

bigheadpercoli 10y ago

A new trade deal will likely lead to higher car cost in England. Which car company in the UK could take the market share from Germany? Seems like a seller market to me.