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I have always wanted a large one (24" or more) to display whatever painting I find interesting on that day. I went looking several months ago without any luck.
by boyter 10y ago
I have always wanted a large one (24" or more) to display whatever painting I find interesting on that day. I went looking several months ago without any luck. These look like they would be perfect for my use case.
I find the idea of having whatever art piece I want on the wall very appealing.
- pen2l 10y agoFunny that this is what you guys wanted it for. I swear, I have been wanting this SO BAD for so long for my monitor. LCDs are bright and make my eyes hurt. I want this for my monitor.
- jonknee 10y agoThe latency would make it tough for anything other than word processing (and even that would be a bit annoying).
- pen2l 10y agoYep that's true. But I will put up with that -- the "good" of it being easy on the eyes trumps the "bad" of latency issues. Though, let's hope the technology matures and this problem is solved to some extent.
- FreeFull 10y agoI've seen demonstrations of eink displays showing 60fps video without any noticeable latency. I think the latency is purely dependent on the voltages used to drive the display. Edit: This was with a black and white display. Depending on how the colour displays work, avoiding latency might not be possible as easily.
- EGreg 10y agoCan you give links where? We wanted to make eink displays with touchscreen controls for videoconferencing but the latency isnt great.
- lhl 10y agoQualcomm's Mirasol displays might have fit the bill, they weren't responding to my company's request for samples and they eventually closed everything down without shipping many (any?) in production. They are working on a MEMS-IGZO product w Sharp that was similar and supposed to come out last year but I haven't heard a peep recently. Liquavista was working on a color epaper solution as well (acquired by Samsung in 2010, then Amazon in 2013, nothing announced.)
- dragonmum 10y agoQualcomm shutdown Mirasol in 2012 after buying it back in 2004 and laid off all the engineers. http://gizmodo.com/5928315/say-goodbye-to-qualcomms-magic-mirasol-displays http://gizmodo.com/5928315/say-goodbye-to-qualcomms-magic-mi... Recently, Apple bought the Taiwan fab plant where the old mirasol displays were made, which had been transferred to AU Optronics. But a fab is a fab is a fab so it doesn't mean they're making mirasol displays there. Liquavista is another crapshoot, spun off in 2006, made huge pronouncements at shows, told us they would be production ready in 8-12 months back in 2010 and then shuttered in Dec 2010. Then layoffs, then Samsung, now Amazon. No clue what their real status is now. In other words, doing demos is doing demos. Commercially available production ready product is a different story completely.
- robin_reala 10y agoMirasol made it into the Qualcomm Toq smartwatch, but in ‘limited quantities’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Toq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Toq
- ZenoArrow 10y agoMirasol also made it to an e-reader, but I believe it was only released in South Korea. http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/kyobo-mirasol-color-e-reader-debuts-in-korea/ http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/kyobo-mirasol-color-e-reader-deb...
- hyperpallium 10y agoI've heard with 60fps refresh, the power efficiency goes away.
- j2bax 10y agoHaving tried the Kindle expiremental browser, I can confirm. Granted their tech may be more primitive than this!
- Kluny 10y agoThat's more than enough for me. I get home from coding and I want to work on my novel, but LCDs are killing my eyes.
- mynameishere 10y agoApparently this can be done. Not too surprising. http://www.pcworld.com/article/259582/how_to_use_a_kindle_dx_as_a_pc_display.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/259582/how_to_use_a_kindle_dx...
- Zelmor 10y agoTry a pen and paper. Worked for so many for so long. This pen with broad italic Masuyama nibs, some fine ink. Watch out, fountain pens are like cats. You cannot stop at one. http://www.franklin-christoph.com/model-20-marietta.html http://www.franklin-christoph.com/model-20-marietta.html
- abustamam 10y agoNot speaking for parent, but I have terrible handwriting :(
- Zelmor 10y agoThen try calligraphy. All it takes is practice. Like playing the piano, or coding.
- Kluny 10y agoHa, I have a problem with stationery. I'll buy beautiful pens and notebooks, but I never end up writing with them. Or I'll just get carried away with how pretty the ink looks on the page, and copy out poetry or my own signature. For actual writing I need to type.
- Zelmor 10y agoStarting is hard. Do a diary and see where that takes you. Don't buy expensive stuff first. A simple lined notebook and a cheap fountain pen. I found myself buying things for hobbies, spending money but not time and effort. Nowadays, if anything, I buy books and study. When I have the habits in place, i'll learn how to paint.
- david-given 10y agoThe Kindle display can do latencies of <100ms if they're set to plain black and white --- the really slow refreshes are due to hacking it to make it do greyscale. I think that's comparable to the old greenscreen monitors, but I can't find any hard figures. Would certainly be worth a try. What I would really like, however, is a monitor-sized Sharp Memory LCD display, as made famous by the Pebble. The colour displays are things of beauty. The colour gamut's not brilliant, but they refresh instantly, consume practically no power, and look great. With the backlight turned off, you get an interesting metallic sheen that looks like no other display on earth. Even the monochrome ones are really cool. I have a development kit where the display can show white and silver --- like, metallic, reflective silver, which you can (just about) see your face in. Alas, they don't make them much bigger than watch sized.
- girzel 10y agoAbsolutely! I would put up with a fair amount of latency just to have this. I'm picturing late-night work with a lamp in front of my monitor (not kidding). And it would probably do wonders for a laptop's battery, right?
- jsjohnst 10y agoDid you see the video link posted here [1]? "Latency" seems to be in the 5-10s range with a huge amount of jarring flickering. Definitely not bad as an art display but way way way far from being remotely useable as a screen. Considering how long this step took, still easily 3-5yrs or more from a commercially viable monitor. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11767090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11767090
- joecool1029 10y agoStill wondering why Pixel Qi failed. It's the one piece of tech in the past decade I keep going back to. The founders went off to Google X and the patents were snatched up by the EFF co-founder and openly licensed in the past year. It was not e-ink but a reflective panel viewable in bright daylight that also had a backlight for indoor/night use. They had a 10" netbook panel commercially available. It makes me wonder if reading about another exciting screen tech such as this will suffer the same fate. Maybe someone else knows why.
- breakyerself 10y agoI've wondered that myself. It seemed promising.
- dragonmum 10y agoPixel Qi struck me as overhyped. It was just a regular transflective LCD panel that the founder of OLPC, Nick Negroponte wanted to exploit to get massive funding (from big orgs like the UN, the easily confused ministers of education in developing countries) for his pet project that flew him around the world giving talks and hanging out with popstars who all claim they're doing it to save children in the developing world. If you google Nick Negroponte now, he seems to now claim that he invented or was a key factor in the tablet computing revolution, touchscreens, and VR. http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329725&print=yes http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329725&print=yes
- imaginenore 10y agoHave you tried lowering the brightness? Modern monitors can be crazy bright, which is good for watching movies, but not for staring at them for 10 hours a day.
- cauterized 10y agoUnfortunately, on many even the lowest brightness is too much for a low light or no light environment.
- cwillu 10y agoAlso, at low brightnesses, the PWM frequency of the LED backlights drops, and depending on how low it drops to that can cause a bunch of eyestrain as well.
- Shivetya 10y agoto be honest I am awaiting the day I can just cover an entire wall in them so I can be outdoors all the time
- gondolgames 10y agoBy the way, Dasung Paperlike, the monochrome e-ink display is now on Indiegogo. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/paperlike-world-s-first-e-ink-monitor-13-3#/ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/paperlike-world-s-first-e...
- nextos 10y agoDasung is very cool for a text terminal. But last time I asked they required weird drivers, not available for Linux of course.
- j_s 10y agoThere are a number of Kickstarter projects, none of which would be as awesome as this display. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/acanvas/acanvas-the-cord-free-art-display-and-streaming-pl https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/acanvas/acanvas-the-cor... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mementosmartframe/memento-smart-frame-worlds-most-advanced-4k-smart https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mementosmartframe/memen... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/atmoph/atmoph-window-your-room-can-be-anywhere https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/atmoph/atmoph-window-yo...
- roel_v 10y agoThe self-retracting charger on the first one is very cool, and a very good solution to a common problem.
- DigitalJack 10y agoI've wanted to do this but have the art undergo a very subtle or slow animation. Like have the clock on the wall in the painting tell real time, or leaves very slowly flutter in the breeze.
- JulianMorrison 10y agoOr, with the aid of a bit of gaze tracking, have the eyes subtly follow you around. Or an element of the picture that's always where you aren't looking, and flits from place to place while your eye saccades...
- egypturnash 10y agoUse gaze tracking to have it change when nobody's looking at it. It's a different picture now and then but you'll never catch it changing no matter how long you watch.
- bluejellybean 10y agoI'm pretty sure this comment chain is going to end up making someone a lot of money. Honestly, I love the idea of a van Goph with a massive, subtly moving image.
- singham 10y agoThe new movie of Van Gogh is just that.
- reportingsjr 10y agoHere is an amazing blog post where someone did exactly this! https://www.claybavor.com/?p=407 https://www.claybavor.com/?p=407 Obviously they took a pretty expensive and power intensive route, but the end result is absolutely phenomenal
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- hellbanner 10y agotry http://electricobjects.com/ http://electricobjects.com/ , matte (non glossy) displays built for displaying art in the home
- LogicX 10y agoThank you. Came here to post this in the thread. I love my EO, but I can imagine it being even better with this display technology. They should be an early adopter talking to Eink about is.
- bentpins 10y agoDid you come across this? A Canvas Made of Pixels (claybavor.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10900439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10900439
- WalterBright 10y agoHah, I got you all beat. I want an entire wall to be a display. I can set it to have wallpaper (!) of any sort. People can hike the continental divide with a gopro on their head, and I can have the wall display be the resulting video. It would be quite awesome!
- bananaoomarang 10y agoCan you imagine? If you had your wall papered in e-ink panels you could have localised control too, cast something to one in particular or put up all your holiday photos, one after the other. Would not be pleasant when your whole room is flashing though.
- WalterBright 10y agoI'm actually a bit surprised that there aren't gopro videos of spectacular hikes that go real time step-by-step from start to finish, that one could use as wallpaper. Wouldn't you want to get one from, let's say, climbing Everest? Or mount one on the nose of a locomotive and film a coast-to-coast train journey?
- ingve 10y agoNot GoPro, but Norwegian broadcaster NRK have filmed several train journeys as part of their "slow tv" offering. Original HD video files (200++ GB) are available [0], and there are multiple versions on Youtube, like a 10 hour trip with Nordlandsbanen from Trondheim to Bodø [1] and a 7 hour trip from Bergen to Oslo [2], including a 10 minute stretch from Finse where the scenes from Hoth in Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back were filmed [3]. [0] https://nrkbeta.no/2009/12/18/bergensbanen-eng/ https://nrkbeta.no/2009/12/18/bergensbanen-eng/ [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=831Drz4YQdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=831Drz4YQdQ [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR15x_ujuPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR15x_ujuPA [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql2qXpNVTjw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql2qXpNVTjw
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- techbubble 10y agoI was fed-up with the poor quality of display frames available commercially, so I built my own. Asus display (stripped), custom distressed-look vintage frame from Etsy, AppleTV, custom matte and mount and this is the result https://www.dropbox.com/s/n0kmwfd00kot6mu/File%20May%2024%2C%209%2000%2006%20PM.jpeg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/n0kmwfd00kot6mu/File%20May%2024%2C... I am quite happy with the result and plan on making a larger one for high-res art display.
- peterclary 10y agoNice. Of course, with E-Ink you could run the whole thing off batteries instead of having that cable. For now, instead of plastering the cable in, you could put up a picture rail and hide the cable inside that.
- visarga 10y agoI used a 30'' Apple HD Cinema monitor to shuffle around the Hermitage painting collection. Setting it at 5 minutes per slide, it's like walking in a museum: fast enough to always be interesting and fresh, but slow enough to enjoy it. Also, used Image Magick to overlay the title of the painting. It makes a lot of difference to know the title. Also, if keep it up for years, it's like art training for the eyes.
- stinos 10y agoI tried something similar and while it definitely works I found such displays even at their lowest brightness setting way too distracting. I continuously notice it's there because it doesn't blend into the rest of the interior, unlike a painting or so. And if you're close enough you feel the heat from it. Very much unlike a painting.
- fit2rule 10y agoI do this with an LCD projector. Works great. (Dungeon required.) Having a massive picture archive on slideshow mode is a fantastic time-keeping mechanism. So yeah, I'm with you.. it'll be fun to move up to the tower and still get requisite background art.
- reitoei 10y agoI never did... until now :)