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Regardless, Roundup is not safe. Glyphosate probably is safe, by itself. After college I did landscaping. Once I cleared brush that had been treated with Roun
by ArtDev 10y ago
Regardless, Roundup is not safe.
Glyphosate probably is safe, by itself.
After college I did landscaping. Once I cleared brush that had been treated with Roundup, and broke into an itchy rash from head to toe. After that experience, I quite landscaping forever.
The biggest lie is that Roundup IS glyphosate. This false. Roundup is a chemical slurry of byproducts that happens to contain some glyphosate. Otherwise it would not be so cheap.
- searine 10y ago>Regardless, Roundup is not safe. PROVE IT. All studies thus far point to roundup/glyphosate being incredibly safe. Far safer than any alternative, including many "natural" ones. The LD50 for glyphosate is like a fucking kilogram for humans. >After college I did landscaping After college I did a Phd in genetics.
- ArtDev 10y agoI was a biology major. If Roundup was only glyphosate, it would be safe. It is made from recycled chemicals. That is all I know.
- JumpCrisscross 10y ago> It is made from recycled chemicals Is this a joke? So are apples, people and cats.
- ArtDev 10y agoIndustrial chemistry doesn't have to be that clean. Especially if you are just spraying it on the ground and selling it cheap. Makes sense to me. No, I don't have any links to back it up.
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- WHGANDNORAHG 10y agoReally ?!?! Your biology degree is NOT ENOUGH ! You have NO training, NO education, and NO expertise on matters concerning pest control products. Your assertion is possibly the STUPIDEST we have ever heard ! That is all you know ?!?! You know NOTHING !
- lstamour 10y agoAccording to this[1], 51% of one of their roundup products is "Other Chemicals", so less than half is Glyphosate. It says to try and keep it off skin etc. Wouldn't surprise me if most formulations have... other ingredients. [1] http://www.monsanto.ca/products/Documents/roundup_transorb_msds_en.pdf http://www.monsanto.ca/products/Documents/roundup_transorb_m... It also says: Skin irritation Rabbit, 3 animals, OECD 404 test: Days to heal: 14 Primary Irritation Index (PII): 2.2/8.0 Moderate irritation. FIFRA category III.
- searine 10y agoI agree. The primary component of that "Other Chemicals" are surfactants. Surfactants, such as (POEA used in roundup) are known skin irritants. They are used to help absorption of glyphosate in plants. Skin irritation is a very well characterized reaction to contact with any kind of surfactant.
- pbhjpbhj 10y agoYou appear to be making a false equivocation, stating that Monsanto's Roundup is safe because glyphosate is safe. On the other hand there are lots of studies showing that Roundup appears to cause health problems, which are likely to be based on the additives. The study from the University of Caen: >POEA was recognized as a common inert ingredient in herbicides in the 1980s, when researchers linked it to a group of poisonings in Japan. Doctors there examined patients who drank Roundup, either intentionally or accidentally, and determined that their sicknesses and deaths were due to POEA, not glyphosate. (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/; http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herb... cf http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx800218n http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx800218n, http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx200072k http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx200072k) // So presumably you consider POEA to be completely safe as you said Roundup is safe and that, what, the medical authorities reported of here are either misreported or mistaken?
- searine 10y agoSee the following review : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15862083 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15862083 "There is insufficient evidence to conclude that glyphosate preparations containing POEA are more toxic than those containing alternative surfactants" Surfactants, in general, are toxic. There is nothing special about POEA. Used properly, surfactants can be of good use and result in safe improvement of agriculture.
- askyourmother 10y agoCool story bro. And a PhD in genetics proves roundup is not a toxic and carcinogenic how?
- searine 10y agoI agree, it's an argument to authority. I provide links elsewhere in the thread though.
- briantakita 10y ago> PROVE IT. Actually, you need to prove that Roundup is safe. The burden of proof should be on those introducing new agents into the ecosystem; not on those who are affected by the chemical agent. See https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Iatrogenesis https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Iatrogenesis
- damienkatz 10y agoSarcasm? Handling brush can give you a nasty rash regardless. Some types can literally cause your skin to fall off if you're strongly allergic.
- ArtDev 10y agoI doubt it was from the brush alone. It could be possible that more than Roundup was sprayed. No one told me. I should have guessed why the bushes were brown!
- cfmcdonald 10y agoWhy do you doubt it? There are many plants that can cause skin irritation: http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2414#b http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2414#b I've gotten rashes all over my arms clearing brush that wasn't treated with anything.
- DanBC 10y ago"causes a rash" (which is in the data sheets for the product - you did read those before you started working with it, right) is different to "kills you on skin contact" or "kills you if you drink it". Worldwide very many deaths by suicide are caused by people drinking weedkiller, so moving to glyphosate should stop some of those.
- danielweber 10y agoDid your employer provide the MSDS for glyphosate before having you work with it? https://www.lakerestoration.com/pdf/GlyphosateMSDS.pdf https://www.lakerestoration.com/pdf/GlyphosateMSDS.pdf There are risks when working with it in large quantities. That is much different than having any risk in food.