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I am surprised at people trying to rationale Apples wrongdoing by pointing at Google and bringing some crazy examples. There is no rationale in this - this is
by funkyy 10y ago
I am surprised at people trying to rationale Apples wrongdoing by pointing at Google and bringing some crazy examples.
There is no rationale in this - this is outright breaking your privacy and ownership rights. No terms and conditions can be above law. It doesn't matter what others do - Apple is doing those crazy things here and there trying to test the ground which indicates they are not pro privacy and pro user, but rather are willing to go huge lengths to please music industry.
Only because you eating in the restaurant it doesn't mean waiter can run to your house and smash all of your food in the fridge reasoning "from now on you are covered".
- givinguflac 10y agoGod forbid there is a bug in software! This article is crap, maybe he ran into an issue but I've helped over a dozen people get setup on Apple Music and not once has there been file deletion. I am very skeptical that theoretical phone rep said any of these things either. Obviously there is a bug that needs fixing, but this is definitely not a platform wide attempt to delete anyone's data.
- bogomipz 10y agoReally? Just because you have helped over a dozen people it means that this issue doesn't exist? Did you bother to check every local file on the person's drive that you were helping? If you didn't know about the potential issue how would you know to check. The author isn't saying its intentional hs's saying this is a side-effect of this model. Incidentally this is not the first type questionable practice from Apple Music. See this: http://9to5mac.com/2015/07/02/apple-music-vs-itunes-match-drm/ http://9to5mac.com/2015/07/02/apple-music-vs-itunes-match-dr...
- simonster 10y agoThe article you linked to appears to describe something totally different. It says that if you delete your music from your computer, then re-downloading the music through Apple Music will give you DRMed files. But it also says: > If you haven’t deleted your own copies of your music, then there’s nothing to worry about. If you download onto other devices from Apple Music, those devices will get the DRM versions, but you’ll still have your DRM-free originals.
- mistermann 10y agoWhen he says copies, I think he was referring to his backup?
- simonster 10y agoThe preceding sentence is: > Either way, if you’ve used iTunes Match as a convenient way to free up space on your Mac by deleting your own copy of any of your music, don’t cancel your subscription in favor of Apple Music if you want to keep that music DRM free. Given the reference to freeing up space, it seems like he is talking about the original music files within iTunes and not a backup.
- dTal 10y agoThe author is a "she".
- TheOtherHobbes 10y agoA few years ago, after a couple of weeks of ripping my CD collection to FLAC, I decided to import it into iTunes. What happened next was an epic fail exactly like the article describes - iTunes trashed my collection, "organised" the files in it in ways that were buggy and just plain wrong, and turned two weeks of part time effort into completely wasted time. This was before iCloud, and fortunately I keep my own music on a separate disk, so it didn't try to trash that too. In a sense I was lucky. Two wasted weeks is a learning experience. Two years would have been heartbreaking. Two decades? I. Can't. Even. Since then I haven't allowed iTunes anywhere near my FLAC collection. I've also warned anyone with a music collection to never, ever to allow iTunes anywhere near it.
- preetbhinder 10y agoI stopped using anything from the i* suite after my first Mac when I learned that it messed up my folder structure. All my carefully organised music and photos were imported into an opaque database that gave me no visibility into how things were stored.
- wlesieutre 10y agoThis part at least has been a configurable option as long as I can remember. http://www.usbdacs.com/Macintosh/files/page5_5.jpg http://www.usbdacs.com/Macintosh/files/page5_5.jpg
- Karunamon 10y agoDid something change? Because the iTunes internal organization for music at least is quite easy to understand. From the library folder: Music/Artist/Album/Track# Title.ext If your files aren't tagged correctly (which is distressingly common), then the auto organization will make a pig's breakfast of your library. A common example: "Artist" and "Album Artist" are two different ID3 fields - if you have an album with an Album Artist but a blank Artist, iTunes will catalog it as "Unknown Artist" when the consolidation happens. This is slightly annoying to fix, but the mass tag editor in iTunes works well.
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- rootlocus 10y agoYour overconfidence makes you look like an arrogant, ignorant fanboy with no empathy. Maybe the next "obvious bug" will erase all your family photos.
- StavrosK 10y agoI don't see anybody rationalizing Apple's wrongdoing here, though. Whom are you referring to?
- sangnoir 10y agoI'm not OP, but I'm guessing they are referring to buro9[1], who posted an hour before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11635184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11635184
- jontas 10y agoI'm not sure if that's the link you intended to post but I see nothing in that comment rationalizing Apple's actions, in fact it seems to share the opinion of the original article.
- StavrosK 10y agoYeah, buro9's comment is the only one that seems to fit, but I don't read the comment as supportive of Apple at all, quite the contrary, it reads to me damning of Google.
- sowbug 10y agoAnd buro9 retracts the main critical point later in that thread when several people highlight Google Takeout.
- simonster 10y agoSome people in this post are assuming that this is something iTunes does to everyone intentionally. Other people are saying this is not something iTunes has ever done to them. I'm not sure it's worth debating whether this practice is ethical or not unless we know whether iTunes will actually delete your MP3s under normal circumstances. The one thing that everyone seems to agree on is that iTunes is too hard to use.
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoBut from the article, Ms Amber said the SW was functioning as intended.
- simonster 10y agoBut other people have posted here and said they enabled Apple Music and their music was not deleted, so clearly this doesn't happen under all circumstances, and this wouldn't be the first time a technical support representative was wrong. This is a pretty extraordinary claim and I'm not really willing to believe everyone loses all their local music when they turn on Apple Music without more data to confirm.
- falcolas 10y agoAnother point of data in favor of "they deleted my music" here. And when they did it, they were only matching on the file metadata, so the album they removed was truly lost, since I got some weird techno album in its place. Thankfully, it's one I can recover from a CD, when I find it again.
- clapinton 10y agoRemember the U2 fiasco, when Apple decided to break into your computer and push their new album through iTunes? It seems like whenever Apple decides to take control of your files, shit happens. Back in the day, I tried to use iTunes for a while when I bought my iPod. One of the first things that it asked me was to take control of my music, as it would reorganize it by itself. I agreed, but tested it first with a small sample. When I saw the mess it had done to the way I organized my music, specially with the files' names, I backed out of the auto-organize option and preached heavily against it to everyone I knew. I learned my lesson: never let whatever service control your files. And always, ALWAYS have backup. Remember: The answer to life, the universe and how many backups you should keep of your stuff is 42.
- VonGuard 10y agoApple fundamentally does not understand software. A shame, as the software, really, was their original special sauce with the Mac 128k and beyond. Today, however, the company really doesn't understand how to make, maintain, or market software. It sees software as a way to spread their control of their hardware further into your life. It's going to be the death of Apple, mark my words.
- wvenable 10y agoOut of all the consumer electronics companies, Apple makes the best software. (Edit: This is not a compliment)
- MaysonL 10y agoOr perhaps, just maybe, the situation is being mis-reported? "No, Apple Music is not deleting tracks off your hard drive — unless you tell it to"[0] [0]http://www.imore.com/no-apple-music-not-deleting-tracks-your-hard-drive-unless-you-tell-it?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheIphoneBlog+%28iMore%29 http://www.imore.com/no-apple-music-not-deleting-tracks-your...
- joemi 10y agoIf this is indeed true, then it kind of trumps most of the comments around here.
- muso1999 10y agoThis is almost certainly not apple acting alone. There will have been lengthy contract negotiations (and probably a lot of pressure from the major labels). The auto-overwriting metadata issue is probably apple alone though, they've long been very exacting about the metadata of music in itunes. They already throw their weight around in the supply chain by demanding that metadata is correct or they won't accept music, which they can do because they control so much of the market. I'm not surprised they're expanding that to user's devices (presumably for matching purposes for igenius). The industry sucks, so many middlemen with so much power :(