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It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's pos
by buro9 11y ago
It's worth noting that Google Photos actually does something similar... the photos are "backed up" even in their "original" form... but I don't believe it's possible to actually restore (download all) from Google Photos.
I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took, but when a phrase like "backup" is used, it is implicit and understood that there is a "restore" mechanism.
Google Photos lacks a "restore" mechanism, and it sounds like the same is true of Apple Music.
Google Play Music also does the matching/mismatching thing.
An uploaded Ladytron - Gravity the Seducer was replaced by a remix album but remains tagged as if it's the original. This is probably due to them not having the original, and this was a 90% match based on tags... but 90% is not good enough. I worked in the music industry and have so many demo tapes, master cuts that were not subject to post-production, etc. I want the version I have, and not some approximate guess at something similar-ish.
This isn't just an Apple issue.
- nasduia 11y agoCan you not just download all the photos through google drive in bulk?
- buro9 11y agoI looked, whilst photos appears as a folder in drive, there is no option to "download all", and it would require me to load them into the browser view, select them, and then choose to download them. For reference, I have 125GB of photos since 1994 in there... it would take a very long time to select them all.
- gldalmaso 11y agoYou can install Google Drive Desktop and sync them to your computer all at once.
- tehmaco 11y agoCould you use the Google Drive program and then sync that folder to your local machine?
- RoseO 11y agoI can right click my Google Photos folder and download the whole thing as a zip, just tested it and it works fine.
- gambiting 11y agoYou can use google takeout to download a zip archive of literally all your photos.
- fernandotakai 11y agoyou can use google takeout https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout
- colin_jack 11y agoI am not sure it's the same, as far as I was aware Google photos never deletes the local copy.
- buro9 11y agoOn the phone, "freeup device storage" is an option that is prompted (and sounds like a wonderful idea)... whereby the phone copy is purged if the original file has already been "backed up" to Google. It isn't possible to restore the backup.
- SEMW 11y ago...And which gives you a modal warning box that starts "Heads up! This will delete n original photos and videos from your device". And will only proceed if you click an all-caps confirmation button labelled "DELETE".[0] That's hardly comparable to Apple deleting things automatically, silently, with neither warning nor confirmation. [0] http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/themes/ap2/ap_resize/ap_resize.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.androidpolice.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F11%2Fnexus2cee_Photos-728x577.png&w=728 http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/themes/ap2/ap_resize...
- dingo_bat 11y agoEven with the warning, people assume that backup means they aren't losing anything, and can get back the original pics whenever they like. In fact, image data is being lost here. You can never get back your original photos, only highly compressed smaller sized JPGs that will look OK on a mobile screen.
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- ikeboy 11y agoYou can choose whether to backup converted photos or originals.
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- 7sigma 11y agogoogle takeout my friend: https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout
- buro9 11y agoThat is the best suggestion. Just enabled it on my domain, will try tomorrow.
- ApplePolisher 11y agoBut it is an Apple issue. Whether Google does something comparable is no justification and does not make Apple any better.
- piyush_soni 11y agoAnd no, Google is not doing something similar.
- StavrosK 11y agoI didn't read it as the GP justifying Apple's behaviour, he was just warning people that Google does something similar ("I thankfully have a local backup of the photos I took").
- ApplePolisher 11y agoYou see comments like "Y does something bad too" on a story about X very frequently. May not be meant as a justification, but I think they are often distracting from the actual topic. If you went through the Terms of Service of similar services, you can probably find countless upsetting examples. So what is the conclusion? Let's just take it as it is, because everyone is doing it or abandon all services instead?
- StavrosK 11y agoThe latter, yes.
- dingo_bat 11y agoThis is exactly why I use OneDrive to backup my photos along with the google photos thing. I've tried explaining my logic to several people but usual replies are "but I can still see them on the website!". "But you won't have the image files anymore." "But I can open the website and see the pics, right?" At this point I just sigh and give up. Oh there's a download all button too, but it does NOT return the original files. All the files are much smaller than the original images.
- jmiserez 11y agoThe Dropbox app has a camera roll auto-upload feature. It's reliable, full-resolution image file backup and works for iOS and Android. iCloud Photos is the worst: Last time I tried to download all my iCloud Photos/Videos (~1000) from the website it turned out to be impossible: You can download a few, but after 200 or so you just get server errors. And it always chokes on videos, stopping before having finished downloading the full file. There is no bulk export option like with Google Takeout. Now I hear that this is not a problem if you have the Photos app on you Mac (it syncs), but I don't have a Mac.
- acdha 11y agoOne major flaw: Dropbox on iOS rotates the image data and resets the EXIF orientation header when it finds a rotated file. If you've ever used a different sync path you'll end up with a bunch of duplicate images with different hashes.
- acdha 11y agon.b. if anyone at Dropbox sees this or others want to reference it, here's the ticket: https://dropbox.zendesk.com/requests/3750448 https://dropbox.zendesk.com/requests/3750448
- jmiserez 11y agoThat link doesn't work for me, says request not found. Can you clarify this a bit? I.e what does the Dropbox app do if you take a picture in portrait mode, and what does iOS do? Is the rotation info lost completely?
- fpgeek 11y agoThere is an important difference. Google is transparent about what is going on. When I set up Google Photos I was asked: Do you want to use Google's high quality or do you want to preserve the original photos and have them count against your storage quota? After that, you should know what you're getting into. I certainly did.
- april1stislame 11y agoGoogle's high quality... That's some deceiving wording right there. High quality are the originals, those are at the maximum optimized.
- lanterk 11y agoNot really, the quality is fine enough. And the other option (that takes up space) is called "Original Quality".
- UnfalseDesign 11y agoAnother way Google Photos is transparent is the app will actually let you know that many of the photos on your phone have been backed up to Photos. The app will ask if you would like those backed up photos to be removed from your phone. (And it'll ask you every time since it doesn't assume that if you said "yes" once then you mean "yes" every time.) So, there's no question about where your photos went when you can't find them.
- GTP 11y agoThanks, I didn't know about google photo's no restore issue, I'm going to check! But I recall there's a setting somewhere in the app that lets you choose if you want to delete photos from your device or not after they're backed up, but maybe I'm wrong. I'll check this evening and let you know.
- GTP 11y agoI've just checked and actually you can choose if delete them or not.
- don_draper 11y agoAny UI that is not honest with users is a bad thing. I use this service and I know that my original is no longer there when I allow Google to delete my local files but maybe i'm the exception. I will add that it depends on your perspective as to how you see this. You can look at how easy Google makes it to take photos on your phone and then have them all backed up and available with a click of a button. And in addition you can look at how hard it used to be to do anything like that (my grandparents never had photos when they lived in Italy because the town they lived in didn't have any photographers). If you see it through that lens then it's awesome.
- fps 11y agoGoogle drive has a switch in the options to expose a "Google Photos" folder, which contains the original versions of all your uploaded google photos. You can then download these photos with any google drive client. The photos you download have identical MD5 sums to the photos you uploaded - they're completely untouched.
- xd1936 11y agoThe Drive client can download them, yes. You can also use Google Takeout and download all of the original files as well. https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout
- dmitrygr 11y agoFalse. . https://photos.google.com https://photos.google.com Select all (click first, hold shift, click last) Click download icon on top Enjoy zip archive of all photos