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Gentoo Tesla – T2 Edition
- gjolund 11y agoDude you are my hero. I look forward to the day that I can sit in my car with my friends, smoking something, watching a movie, and letting the self driving vehicle wander around LA while we look for interesting places to stop and explore. I would never use my couch again. Edit: If tesla begins making showers I may not even need an apartment.
- khanan 11y agoIf you cared to read the article, it's a girl, not a dude :)
- hueving 11y agoThanks for the correction. The poster's comment was incomprehensible otherwise.
- ryanlol 11y agoExcept the article does not state that.
- arcticfox 11y agoDude can refer to any sex, in the US at least.
- eric_h 11y agoGenerally only in the second person, though. Third person (this dude was pissing me off, or "it's a dude!") usually means male.
- dimino 11y agoNo, "Dude, you rule" is definitely gender-neutral by now.
- eric_h 11y agoThat would be the second person to which I was referring. [Edit, to clarify:] first person: me second person: you third person: him/her
- ryanlol 11y agogjolunds post was definitely in the second person though.
- eric_h 11y agoIndeed it was, I was replying to arcticfox, who I thought overgeneralized (hence my reply). [Edit] and I now realize that this whole subthread could have been avoided had my original comment lead with "In this case yes, but...", live and learn :P
- arcticfox 11y agoTrue. The second/third person clarification is a good one for speakers that may not know better.
- peterwwillis 11y agoSo is "man". As in, "You totally should have gotten than promotion, man." Or "Man, I really love this pizza." Yes, it's used gender-neutral. But both historically and in common practice it's a noun, verb, interjection or vocative adjunct that most commonly refers to a male. That aspect, that it was at one time, or still is, gender-specific, is what makes it inappropriate to call a person who doesn't identify with that gender. Like many other words which can apply to more than one kind of person, you have to think about how the listener will interpret it, not how you want them to interpret it.
- duaneb 11y agoWomen can be dudes too.
- gjolund 11y agoSomeone felt like being pedantic today :)
- tdicola 11y agoYou don't need a self driving car to do this today, just hail a cab or get an Uber.
- eric_h 11y agoexcept for the "smoking something" part, unless you find a particularly accommodating uber driver.
- josefresco 11y agoAnd it would be insanely expensive ...
- Hemera- 11y agoThanks :) This has been a really fun hobby :D
- gjolund 11y agoReally inspiring work. I have always loved working on cars, and the potential to marry that with my profession is exciting. I'm really looking forward a future where I have ownership and control over my cars operating system to the same degree that I own the engine in my camaro. Also, I apologize for automatically defaulting to you being a he-dude and not a she-dude. Which is exactly equal in impressiveness.
- Hemera- 11y agoYeah I absolutely love it. It's eating up all my freetime. I had to make sure last week to actually go out and socialize... Dude is genderless! I'm just as much a dude as you are. Also, it doesn't really bother me :)
- vinceyuan 11y agoI will buy it too, if there is a toilet in the car!
- Smurfix 11y agoDudette, actually. Pay attention. :-P
- jxy 11y ago"I think the real question is whether this Tesla's daily driver will be Vim or Emacs…" Apparently we have long passed the era when making coffee was something novel for Emacs. Now is the time for M-x drive
- vessenes 11y agoI can't tell if the pull quotes are satire or not. "With Gentoo, my 5s 0-60 is so much faster than your 5s 0-60." Combined with the stated 3 day compile time, I'm thinking yes? Maybe?
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- dsp1234 11y agoIt's satire. "All those USE flags, CFLAGS, and optimizations are going to add speed to my car. My 5 second 0-60 will be faster than your 5 second 0-60!"
- rhinoceraptor 11y agoIt's a reference to this: https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/ https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/
- vessenes 11y agoThat's immediately what I thought of as well, but I didn't want to, um, insult the blogger.
- Hemera- 11y agoIf you look at the bottom of my blog you'll see that the captions and jokes are referencing http://funroll-loops.info/ http://funroll-loops.info/ I even took some of my favorites from there and modified them to reference Tesla, and that's what the captions are.
- vessenes 11y agoNow you can feel doubly awesome since you successfully trolled me at the same time as you hacked your Tesla!
- nickporter 11y agoThis brings new meaning to "gentoo is for ricers".
- actionwords 11y agoI’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Gentoo, is in fact, GNU/Gentoo, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Gentoo. Gentoo is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Gentoo”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Gentoo, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Gentoo is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Gentoo is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Gentoo added, or GNU/Gentoo. All the so-called “Gentoo” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Gentoo.
- dochtman 11y agoEven if this is supposed to be funny (I can't tell, so I think you may have failed if so), I'd like to correct you and say that what makes Gentoo tick doesn't hinge on GNU at all. We can run on different kernels, different libcs, and coreutils are just a package you install. Might be toybox for all Gentoo cares! As far as I'm concerned, Gentoo is the most underappreciated distro. I'm a Gentoo dev, but that's not why I'm saying so -- the causal relation is reversed!
- marcoperaza 11y agoContext for some of the jokes: https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/ https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/ Internet culture throwback.
- djhworld 11y agoWhen I was 15 I started my linux days using gentoo, back in 2003/2004. While the hassle of compiling and all the effort it took is laughable looking back on it, I still credit it for teaching me the command line and unix in general, these are skills I carry though with me to this day.
- Hemera- 11y ago17 for me, and this is exactly how it is for me. Gentoo taught me Linux, and I have enjoyed it ever since. I use other distros as well, but Gentoo will always hold a special place in my heart.
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- wille92 11y agoI'm all for rooting my phones, media devices, gaming consoles...but I think I'd stop short of rooting my car. I think back to the Toyota electronic throttle control system bugs--we can hardly trust manufacturers to develop robust automotive software on their own, long before rooting and customization are thrown into the mix. The media system modded in this post _should_ be completely separate from the "brains" of the car, but that's still not a risk I would take.
- profeta 11y agonah. people have been modding throttle bodies and adding short shift to their cars for ages. it is the same thing.
- eliaspro 11y agoIt's just a chroot. Thats far less dangerous than completely reflashing it etc
- brianwawok 11y agoSo what happens when your app hits an infinite loop and locks the CPU? Or trashes some memory it shouldn't? Does autopilot still work? Do the airbags still deploy? Does the brake still work?
- newjersey 11y agoIt should. In a world where people routinely talk/text/drink and drive I don't think we should expect 100% from electric or self-driving cars. I cringe from the PR implications as I say this but really I fully supported Jeb! when he shrugged about one of the shootings. If we want freedom, we will have some missteps. I kind of wish we could say the same about religious extremists but that ship was always under command of the same bigots who controlled the conversation during the red scare.
- robotresearcher 11y agoThe safety-critical stuff is not running on that computer. So the brakes still work, and the airbags deploy, for sure. I'd be very surprised if the autopilot is on there.
- theandrewbailey 11y agoCan this car still be driven? Doesn't Tesla kill it as soon as you plug it into an ethernet jack?
- ryao 11y agoPresumably, he got around their intrusion detection system.
- Hemera- 11y agoNot sure if there is one, though, I have a feeling there is. I've done nothing to make the car be upset, though. My X session is running on tty1 while the car's UI is running on tty2. As long as the car's normal UI system is running everything is happy. If you shut that down, say, starting fluxbox on that X session (this may or may not have happened), the gateway freaks out because it lost contact and forcibly resets the CID. Also, the touchscreen's input doesn't come through X, the QT apps read it directly. Every now and then I have to just tap the corner of my screen while I'm working, even when I'm in my own environment, because when you are parked and sitting there the touchscreen will turn off after 30 minutes. I'll figure out a way around this eventually.
- ryao 11y agoI recall a post somewhere where someone claimed that attempts to hack his Tesla resulted in a message about unauthorized access being detected with the threat of his mobile connection being severed if it recurred. My guess that there is a IDS was based on that.
- ck2 11y agoSigh, really looking forward to someday affording a 4th or 5th-hand used tesla, maybe by 2022
- milesokeefe 11y agoThe Model 3 is relatively affordable.
- ck2 11y agoMy car budget is always around $3k max Model 3 is ten times that. Hence 4th or 5th hand used. I expect I'll have to rebuild the battery pack myself. By then there should be really good documentation and cheap chinese knockoffs of the cells (that last half as long as oem).
- milesf 11y agoInteresting that some believe rooting a car is going "too far", yet building our entire society and financial systems with duct-tape coding and fail-early-fail-often methodologies is okay.
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- wildefyr 11y agoI think when your life is on the line people tend to take it more seriously. Think of techniques like six sigma that rose during the manufacturing of parts for the Apollo program because losing a man was considered (and rightfully so) unacceptable.
- nickysielicki 11y agoThere's a lot of Gentoo hate in this thread. I think that's funny when you consider that the most-used Linux distribution on desktop/laptop computers is based on Gentoo. [1] Google chose engineers for ChromeOS, and those engineers chose Gentoo. CoreOS also uses portage IIRC. Gentoo isn't for everyone, but I think there's probably a correlation between people who have used Gentoo (or similar) at some point in their life and people who know Linux thoroughly. [1]: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Chrome-OS-built-upon-Gentoo-and-not-the-more-popular-Debian https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Chrome-OS-built-upon-Gentoo-and...
- hexxeh 11y agoChromeOS originally was built upon Ubuntu, but Gentoo made more sense when starting to build for a rather diverse set of hardware, various flavours of ARM etc.
- xiphias 11y agoFinally something interesting I read here on HN from a girl in IT. She's the one other girls should be proud of and looking at as a role model, not the feminists.
- NegativeLatency 11y agoWhat?
- jmclean 11y agoI'm disappointed to see a comment like this here. To treat 'feminists' as a monolithic bloc, mutually exclusive from meaningful contributors to IT, is insulting to those of us who try to be both. Women in tech face real challenges, including but not limited to casual condescension towards the people fighting for change. I'm proud of her too, and I'm sure she's exactly the sort of role model that a feminist would have in mind.
- xiphias 11y agoI'm sure that many women in tech have problems, although I view them as equal whenever I work with them. Also I am sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings with my comment. I'm just not sure if it helps the general view on women in tech that I read 4 times as many articles complaining about the problems for women to achieving something technical.
- ninjakeyboard 11y agoI showed this to my wizard ops guy co-worker and he replied with this. http://www.funroll-loops.info/ http://www.funroll-loops.info/ Blew my mind he pulled that out.
- Hemera- 11y agoI link to it at the bottom of the post. The image captions are quotes that were inspired by very real quotes from that website.
- zuzun 11y agoCar tuning with -funroll-loops... what a time to be alive!
- zatkin 11y agoProgramming while driving isn't illegal! :-)
- jalami 11y agoI would love to buy a car with only FOSS software or at least source available software available inside. In the long run, I think it would be much safer than the status quo and with everything becoming computer-driven. I've thought about doing something like this with my center nav, but it deals with setting the time on the mirror among other things. Still, I can't get updated maps without paying the dealer a few hundred dollars to put a cd in it. I end up just using openStreetMaps on my rooted phone. This is a sad state of things. It feels like a feature-phone. Hopefully the future is brighter.
- ywecur 11y agoThis is something I'd at least expect from Tesla, the company who open sourced all of their patents.
- stirner 11y agoLooks like "Gentoo is for Ricers"[1] has come to its logical conclusion. [1] https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/ https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/
- Paul_S 11y agoIf anyone was under any misapprehension that your car wasn't a PC with a some wheels stuck to it this should've cleared that up. Doom 2 port when?
- dingle_thunk 11y agoGreat battery life, but not very lappable...
- Mojah 11y agoFor what it's worth, this also got featured on cron.weekly last sunday: https://www.cronweekly.com/issue-25/ https://www.cronweekly.com/issue-25/