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Mutt 1.6
- dguido 11y agoS/MIME and GPG support out of the box, that's amazing!
- luxpir 11y agoThat's not strictly new in this version. I've had that enabled (hesitate to say been using) for a while now. Anyone know if the hanging between wifi to cable connections is resolved yet? Aside from that I'm much quicker and more productive with my inboxes now. Sidebar patch, hotkey per mailbox... Very quick icedove replacement. PS: Workaround for the connection thing is to ctrl-z when it hangs, and fg the other instance for that connection.
- lemonade 11y agoAlternatively, you can use mosh to your homebox, and run mutt from there. Has some other advantages as well ...
- luxpir 11y agoYeah good call. I have mosh running to various boxes all day, but the mail sits on 2 diff servers so I tend to bring them together on the local machine. Still, very doable. Could use tmux and mosh together on the pi even... Yep, thanks for suggestion.
- nextos 11y agoI use it daily. It's a lovely email client. Close to the Unix ideal of doing one thing, and doing it well. Integration with other utilities (notmuch, isync) for indexing and sync'ing is very easy, thanks to close adherence to Unix principles, and gets you a very neat setup. Nothing to envy from Gmail.
- hueving 11y ago>Nothing to envy from Gmail. What do you use for mobile access?
- profeta 11y agonot the commenter you want, but i had both a mobile client (if i am using mutt, that means i can access the imap/pop server from other clients) and the ultimate ssh client on my phone which gave me full mutt, in case i needed to have my procmail filters helping me)
- roel_v 11y agoNavigating any terminal software without a true keyboard is an exercise in frustration. Look, I understand what you're saying, but claiming that an ssh client on a phone is a full-fledged replacement for a touch-optimized UI is disingenuous.
- JoshTriplett 11y agoI use k-9 mail these days, which is OK but doesn't handle huge folders well. However, back when I had an n900 with its hardware keyboard, my mobile mail client was ssh, screen, and mutt.
- 0x0 11y agoSince Debian already ships 1.5.23 (or 1.5.24 in testing), here's a list of changes between each development version leading up to 1.6.0: http://www.mutt.org/doc/UPDATING http://www.mutt.org/doc/UPDATING
- SwellJoe 11y agoIt's been many years since I've used mutt, but I'm considering going back to it. For a while, HTML email had become so common that it was uncomfortable to use a text email client, but that trend seems to have reversed...most of my business communication is plain text (maybe a shift in the people I interact with for business). The speed of mutt is damned near impossible to beat, and the bandwidth usage is so tiny (I can run it on the server, rather than locally, so only the mails I actually open get transferred). I'm living on the road again, and mobile internet has gotten incredibly expensive (I spend approximately $300/month on Internet now, even with very little video and large downloads), so I've been using a web-based mail client more often (Usermin, which is one that I work on, so it's an "eat your own dog food" situation), but it is currently not particularly fast for dealing with hundreds of emails per day.
- mindslight 11y agoSync maildirs with unison. A lack of Internet access becomes a great time to catch up on email.
- trengrj 11y agoWhere do you live / travel where you are spending $300 a month on Internet? I live in Australia (not the cheapest place) and spend $50 AUD a month for 12G of data and free international calls to 10 countries.
- 0xCMP 11y agoIn the US we also have T-mobile with unlimited internet (limited highspeed internet)
- SwellJoe 11y agoI have T-Mobile, with 36GB of data spread across two devices. I also have Karma (it was the "Neverstop" plan, until they bait-and-switched that out of existence) with 10GB. I have two plans because T-Mobile network is awful in some places. I share internet with my girlfriend, so it's not just one person using this much data...but, I do use a lot of data. Edit: T-Mobile "unlimited" is bullshit. It is only unlimited for the phone itself. Hotspot usage is rate limited to an unusably slow rate after data allowances is used (the limited rate is usually well below the 128kbps they claim, but even when it is reaching 128bps, that's unusable for the modern web, and the latency is horrific, so even shell sessions are impossible once you hit the cap). The only reason I stick with T-Mobile is BingeOn lets me watch Netflix without using much data; though the crappy speed of it makes it unworkable in a lot of locations. But, don't believe their marketing about "unlimited" data. It is not. T-Mobile also seems to measure bandwidth usage in a shady way; I use about 1GB a day on Karma...same kind of usage results in 2GB+ a day on T-Mobile. I haven't analyzed what's really going on with any precision, but I've noticed the discrepancy on a few occasions; it has happened often enough and to a large enough degree to where I think the smoke is indicative of a fire.
- profeta 11y agomost desktop clients (mutt included) almost died when everyone moved to gmail and such. imap/pop access was too expensive (when compared to having a so-so UI for free) or not available. now that gmail and yahoomail give imap for free, they will surely comeback. see N1 for example.
- Nullabillity 11y agoGmail has provided free IMAP since they launched, and Yahoo has had it for years too. Personally, my main draw to Gmail is that I just don't have to deal with ISPs blocking SMTP, which can get really annoying really quickly on laptops.
- jd3 11y ago>ISPs blocking SMTP is this actually still a thing? I know on our campus network they block SMTP on the wired network, but not on the wireless (for some boneheaded reason or another).
- duskwuff 11y agoAll sane residential ISPs block port 25 (SMTP) to prevent spam. All sane mail providers offer SUBMISSION (same protocol as SMTP) on port 587, which is intentionally not blocked by ISPs.
- terinjokes 11y agoI've been on ISPs that block SMTP ans SUBMISSION along with their main alternative ports because they had too much spam sent from their IPs in the past getting them added to spamhaus. Of course, they only needed to block port 25, but alas they blocked them all.
- izacus 11y agoResidental ISPs where? I've yet to see one here in EU O.o
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- burke 11y agoIf you're looking for a changelog from 1.5.24, here it is: https://dev.mutt.org/hg/mutt/file/tip/UPDATING https://dev.mutt.org/hg/mutt/file/tip/UPDATING
- bcully 11y agoI'd like to thank mutt's new maintainer, Kevin McCarthy, for pushing mutt 1.6 out the door. It's been a long time coming!
- moonlighter 11y agoNo kidding! 9 years later.. Mutt 1.6.0 was released on April 4, 2016. Mutt 1.4.2.3 was released on June 9, 2007.
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- lolidaisuki 11y agoNotice that Mutt 1.4.2.3 isn't the last release. That notice is on the frontpage because it has to do with a security vulnerability. There have been quite a few releases since. > Mutt 1.5.24 was released on August 31, 2015. In addition to bugfixes, we managed to slip in some new features and enhancements. See the UPDATING file for more details. Source: http://www.mutt.org/news.html http://www.mutt.org/news.html
- Narishma 11y agoI don't think 1.4.2.3 was the last version before this one. The one in the Ubuntu Wily repositories for example is 1.5.23
- jwilk 11y agoTo clarify, 1.6 is the first stable release since 1.4.2.3. 1.5.X was a development series.
- dannysu 11y agoThere was a great thread on HN before that motivated me to install mutt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10182582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10182582 I found this tutorial that I wanted to follow in that thread: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/the-homely-mutt/ http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/the-homely-mutt/ I do have offlineimap and mutt already setup and I can read emails, but haven't installed notmuch or done any configuration. Seeing 1.6 release reminds me that I should give it a fair try again.
- mrbill 11y agoI've been using Mutt since '98. Wow.
- 143456anon 11y agoI moved to mutt in '94, never looked back.
- _wmd 11y agohttps://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz https://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz is another active fork of mutt with a whole bunch of improvements that haven't made it upstream yet. It's been accepting patches for most of the time mutt upstream had been asleep (years). For example mbox parsing in mutt-kz is about 50% faster
- goalieca 11y agoI love mutt. It was my main client when I was in school. Now i work for the man and am stuck with outlook.
- cweagans 11y agoIn theory, I should be stuck with outlook too, but mutt still works via Davmail. Highly recommend if you haven't already played with it.
- donpdonp 11y agoI'm still rocking the (al)pine when I need to read the inbox on a headless/ssh server.
- ars 11y agoI use alpine as my main everyday email client. I have it integrated with a browser for those annoying HTML emails that it can't interpret, but it can handle most HTML emails.
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- scateu 11y agoI also use alpine as my everyday email client. I think it has some psychologic benefit to help me calm down and read the big pile of mails. Alpine is currently maintained by Eduardo Chappa. I just committed a patch about LDAP. Eduardo Chappa is a very diligent developer.
- codereflection 11y agoTangent: change logs really should have a date stamp.
- kxyvr 11y agoCan anyone recommend a CalDAV based calendar program that either integrates into or works well along side Mutt? I've tried khal and it works alright, but I recall it being a little wonky with timezones.
- lorenzfx 11y agoTimezone wonkeyness should be all fixed, if not, please report in the issue tracker. PS: some of khal's wonkiness is due to it reporting all errors instead of silently ignoring them most other calendar software does.
- rcarmo 11y agoWow, this takes me back. Like someone else posted here, to around 2007 or so, which is when it was last updated. Good to have this, although most of what I get these days (work-wise) is HTML-formatted or otherwise challenging from a readability perspective. I fully intend to give this a go against my mail archive (which goes back to '98, and which I currently access via Thunderbird, running inside a VNC server on an ODROID-U2 ARM board - which is a bit heftier than tmux...)
- nicwest 11y agoif you haven't already, have a look at w3m [1] or similar. I use mail cap to route emails though w3m and it's pretty rare that I notice anything amiss. `text/html; w3m -I %{charset} -T text/html; copiousoutput;` [1] http://w3m.sourceforge.net/ http://w3m.sourceforge.net/
- justinmk 11y agow3m is another project that hasn't seen activity in years. Why do people recommend it so much more often than lynx[1], which is still in active development? [1] http://lynx.invisible-island.net/ http://lynx.invisible-island.net/
- mgedmin 11y agow3m renders HTML tables better. Or at least it used to, when I was setting up my mailcap a long time ago. For interactive terminal web browsing I prefer links/elinks (again, compared to lynx/w3m a long time ago).
- dfc 11y agoDoes anyone use Mutt with SMIME and GPG? Do you like it? I need a mailer with SMIME support for work. I am currently using thunderbird and would love an alternative.
- gh02t 11y agoOut of curiosity, what do you do that requires S/MIME? I once set it up, but it seemed nobody else was using it and I gave up.
- gooseyard 11y agoI've been doing gpg and smime for many years; in the contrib/ folder in the dist tarball, you'll find a "gpg.rc" and "smime.rc". I don't think I've changed more than a couple of minor settings in those files; I just use muttrc's include directive and then override a couple of settings in my main muttrc. With those settings gpg mail is very simple to do, and of course since its mutt its endlessly configurable if you need it.
- dfc 11y agoThe last time I looked into using mutt for work I read about problems with signed SMIME emails not being easily searchable. The overwhelming majority of the email I get is signed SMIME messages. If I can't easily search them it's a nonstarter. Have you had any problems with searching?
- xufi 11y agoAwesome I wanted to get into Mutt but haven't had time to set it up
- ank_the_elder 11y agoWhatever happened with mutt-ng? I haven't used mutt in a long, long time.
- shirro 11y agoI am a reluctant Mutt user. I prefer it to webmail but I prefer a good native gui client to either. It is a very flexible solution but is a big investment in configuration and keypress memory for a casual user. It is a relief to see it still being developed. So much seems abandoned these days with the bleed to web and mobile.
- k2enemy 11y agoI love mutt and use it as my primary email client. I got too frustrated with gmail's interface changing all the time and Apple's Mail.app introducing regressions each release. You can't beat mutt's speed and stability. I do wish that there was an option to treat threads as the primary unit, like gmail and sup (http://supmua.org http://supmua.org). The threading support isn't bad, but expanding and collapsing threads in the index view only gets you so far. Years ago I took a look at the code base thinking I might give it a try, but quickly realized that kind of change was a lot of work and way over my head.
- brunosutic 11y ago> I got too frustrated with gmail's interface changing all the time I don't hear that often from people, but that was also one of the motivations for me to switch to mutt.
- rveeblefetzer 11y agoGmail's conversation threading, or the Thunderbird Conversations addon, are the only thing I wish for with Mutt. I once asked on the mutt mailing list about this, but the solutions were pretty ugly, mostly involving all sent mail copied in the inbox. Still, mutt is my main email client. I only started using it a couple of years ago, after Thunderbird started to strain with my mail folders. In 1990s college days, I used Pine. Mutt scared me back then, tho mostly because no one I saw using it then edited with Pico.
- sengork 11y agoThis certainly brings back memories. I've all but forgotten about Mutt, however instantly recognised it when I saw the post.
- BooneJS 11y agoI haven't used Mutt in ages, but I'll be installing it tonight. 90% of my mail is done in Outlook (work) or Mail.app (home). I feel like those 2 applications have more users than they probably deserve.
- cauthon 11y agoCan Mutt work with an Exchange account?
- AckSyn 11y agoYes, but it'll take the admin to enable those resources. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj657728%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj657728%28v=exc... "By default, POP3 and IMAP4 are disabled in Microsoft Exchange Server 2013. To support POP3 clients that still rely on these protocols, you need to start two POP3 services: the Microsoft Exchange POP3 service and the Microsoft Exchange POP3 Backend service. To support IMAP4 clients that still rely on these protocols, you need to start two IMAP4 services: the Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service and the Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 Backend service."
- Toenex 11y agoI've found Davmail [http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ http://davmail.sourceforge.net/] a pretty decent solution to this. You run a local service that exposes Exchange as IMap.
- scateu 11y agoMarch 8, 2006 Marissa Mayer prefers Pine to Gmail [mayer]Marissa Mayer, VP, Search Products and User Experience at Google confesses to CNN Money that she doesn't use Gmail for her business mail. "I don't feel overwhelmed with information. I really like it. I use Gmail for my personal e-mail -- 15 to 20 e-mails a day -- but on my work e-mail I get as many as 700 to 800 a day, so I need something really fast. I use an e-mail application called Pine, a Linux-based utility I started using in college. It's a very simple text-based mailer in a crunchy little terminal window with Courier fonts. I do marathon e-mail catch-up sessions, sometimes on a Saturday or Sunday. I'll just sit down and do e-mail for ten to 14 hours straight." Pine is a mail program developed at the University of Washington. It has a lot of keyboard shortcuts and countless ways to sort, shuffle, and sift through your email.
- naner 11y ago10 to 14 hours of email? I think I'd pull a Knuth or look for another job, that's crazy.
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- fintler 11y agoHer compensation was $117 million over 5 years. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/adding-up-marissa-mayers-pay-at-yahoo/ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/adding-up-marissa-may...
- barsonme 11y agoI'm sorry -- what do you mean by "pull a Knuth"?
- Tomte 11y agoHe processes mail by stack: have his secretary print out emails and put them together with snail mail on a stack. Look at the stack every few months. Urgent mail is expedited at his secretary's discretion, of course.
- stevekemp 11y agoI was a big mutt-user, but found the scripting a little less flexible than I'd like. To keep a similar feel I wrote my own mail client, with integrated Lua. It might be topical, even with all the mutt-love and nostalgia here: https://github.com/lumail/lumail2/ https://github.com/lumail/lumail2/ https://lumail.org/ https://lumail.org/
- tremendo 11y agoI've been a Mutt fanboy for long now. Ironically seeing this announcement reminded me to give sup[1] another try. It sounds amazing to me, but when I tried first I had some issue with installation that I hope I can get past now. May be reporting on it later… [1] http://supmua.org/ http://supmua.org/
- hellofunk 11y agoI'll never forget, for the rest of my life, a devastating email scenario that I was one keypress away from executing that would have had serious dire consequences. It was 2003 and I was a dedicated and exclusive Mutt user (this, before Gmail came along). Due to some accidental press of the wrong key combination, somehow Mutt managed to take every single email in my Sent folder and combine it into one gigantic aggregate text document -- a record of all emails I'd ever sent from that account -- and turn this aggregate itself into an outgoing email, ready for sending. What's worse, it took every address that had ever been in a To: field in any Sent mail and put them all as one big list in this aggregate email's To field! With just one more keypress, had I accidentally then sent this, every person I'd ever emailed would have received a copy of every email to any person I'd ever sent. Can you imagine the disaster? That I could concoct such an email accidentally was terribly frightening and that was the last year I ever used Mutt.
- mineo 11y agoThis is why you don't let cats anywhere near your keyboard ;-)
- 2bluesc 11y agoI'd love to know this key sequence. Did it involve a cat?
- freshprince 11y agoI guess it would be something like this: T.<cr>;g 'T' means tag messages matching a given pattern. '.' would be the pattern that matches all messages in the current mailbox. So now all messages are tagged. ';' is the prefix for 'do the next command for every message that is tagged' and 'g' is reply to all.
- dsr_ 11y agoMutt will then assemble everything into a single massively multipart mail message and bring it up in your editor so that you can write an additional message of your own. Then you have to save the edited file and OK mutt to send it. I would not characterize this as a single command...
- antman 11y agoTo display inline images in Mutt [0]. Works only in non transparent terminals. [0] http://paul.kuntke.de/blog/2012/07/16/view-images-in-mutt/ http://paul.kuntke.de/blog/2012/07/16/view-images-in-mutt/
- a3_nm 11y agoFor mutt users, a great new feature in this release (technically, in mutt 1.5.24) is crypt_opportunistic_encrypt, which allows you to encrypt your messages with GPG automatically whenever the recipients also support GPG. See the manual http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#crypt-opportunistic-encrypt http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#crypt-opportunistic-encrypt and I also wrote a blogpost with some more details https://a3nm.net/blog/mutt_crypt_opportunistic_encrypt.html https://a3nm.net/blog/mutt_crypt_opportunistic_encrypt.html
- raimue 11y agoThe page footer: Last updated on November 30, 2001 by Jeremy Blosser. My first thought was, why is such an old changelog trending?
- fmariluis 11y agoSince I'm an Emacs user, I recently switched from mutt to mu4e. It wasn't difficult, since I recycled most of the mutt setup: offlineimap, msmtp, mu, and of course the maildir. Even more, I can still use mutt if I want to. But mu4e is so nicely integrated with the rest of Emacs that I think I'll keep using it.
- jbmorgado 11y agoI really tired of having to use a browser to access my main email (Gmail inbox) and even worst to have to use another and different email program (Apple Mail) to access my other email addresses (I have few emails on those ones). I look at Mutt willingly once about every 3 months, but then I'm always put down because of the last of Snoozing (that I've know off). I rely heavily on Snoozing in my main account to order my tasks. Is there any workflow with mutt that achieves a similar workflow where I can postpone emails to a later date?
- novel 11y agoMutt is a very nice MUA that I use daily. The only thing that is bugging me is its slowness when working with large mailboxes. Opening an IMAP mailbox with 100.000+ messages takes 60-90 seconds. And caching does not make things much faster. :(