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Why not just a simple spreadsheet of salaries?
- chillydawg 11y agoIt's fun watching the rows appear :)
- akhilcacharya 11y ago$122K in RDU seems very high for a developer/engineer, strange.
- eitally 11y agoIt is high, but it depends on experience and who they work for. More common for people with 5-7yr experience is in the 90-110k range, but it's not abnormal to find skilled folks at places like SAS, Cisco, Citrix, Redhat, MS, Lenovo, BASF, IBM, NetApp, and many more earning above mean salaries. Source: live in RDU, was an engineering director until last summer, hired lots of people here over the years and know a bunch more. What's disturbing is the number of companies only hiring contractors or contract-to-hire engineers around here.
- samstave 11y agoWhat/where is RDU?
- akhilcacharya 11y agoRaleigh/Durham NC - we're probably the biggest tech hub behind Austin.
- moondev 11y agoBigger than NYC?
- vonmoltke 11y agoNYC is behind Austin? I would put Austin #5 behind SFBA, NYC, Seattle, and Boston.
- stuff4ben 11y agoHardly. Atlanta, NYC, Chicago, Seattle, etc are all much bigger than RTP. It's nice here, but it ain't that good.
- akhilcacharya 11y agoEr, behind Austin. Austin is probably behind all of those save for maybe ATL, I don't know much about the tech scene there.
- mhurron 11y agoRaleigh/Durham North Carolina. RDU is the call for the international airport. Others will also refer to it as RTP, but that's really a specific area in RDU.
- rtkwe 11y agoRaleigh-Durham, North Carolina is what it usually means, there's a lot of programming and biomedical business in the area between the 3 cities because we have 3 colleges in the area to feed new talent in for a lot of different fields. (PS: When in doubt check airport codes.)
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- vonmoltke 11y agoI need to look harder in RDU then, because I love North Carolina and would love the pay raise.
- RickS 11y agoWhat's normal, in your experience, around the area? Thinking about moving out there and would love to talk more, email's in my profile.
- vonmoltke 11y agoOh, I'm in Dallas. "Normal" here is apparently ~$95,000 for 10 - 15 years experience.
- eitally 11y agoIf you prefer working in financial services, you can also check all the banks in Charlotte. Also, MetLife & Fidelity are constantly hiring like mad in Cary/Morrisville.
- vonmoltke 11y agoActually, I prefer embedded development. I could do financial services, but I'm not sure I want to.
- mhurron 11y ago> What's disturbing is the number of companies only hiring contractors or contract-to-hire engineers around here. So, no different than anywhere else.
- akhilcacharya 11y agoThat's very interesting. I'm in the area and thought it would skew lower, even for ~18 years experience like in the spreadsheet. It would be nice to know the company for that particular row.
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- stuff4ben 11y agoIt's not that high. Cisco for one pays very well. Not sure about IBM, NetApp, or some of the others, but that's expected around here. Uh, I mean, that was a total fluke, there are no jobs here, go on about your business... ;)
- base698 11y agoI made $99K with about 7ish years experience and had friends that were in the $130K range about 5 years ago. It seemed high then too. I was interviewing when I found the $99K job and another company said they'd pay $80K, but want to me work minimum 60 hours.
- bpodgursky 11y agoIs "Stock Value/Bonus" annual amortized or total?
- bherms 11y agoAgreed... I was granted X options when I started over a 4 year vest... Those shares are worth a lot more now too... Is it my original price since that was the assumption when I was hired?
- chrisabrams 11y agoCould you update the last item, about stock, to include annual , so it's clear. 100k over 4 years is different than over 1 year.
- z0a 11y agoOops, took care of that.
- orm 11y agoI think the form would benefit from having the calendar year as well, as these numbers change enough over a few years.
- noxToken 11y agoI'd argue that you should suggest an input format for some of the answers. This would help normalize the incoming data. For example, you could have (City, State) for the location, and (numbers only) for numeric input fields.
- sirtastic 11y agoNeed to be able to edit your entry. I left out location and wanted to add it but cant.
- fuzzbucket 11y agoPretty crappy that "Gender" is a two-choice radio button. Literally gender binary.
- z0a 11y agoMy mistake. Fixed.
- cloakandswagger 11y agoI'm sorry, how exactly was it fixed? Now I can mark 'Other', but as a gender-fluid this really should be more a slider
- cloakandswagger 11y agoAnd now I'm being downvoted by pro-Trump bigots
- randommodnar 11y agoYou're being downvoted because the idea of asking people to self-report their personal many-spirited gender identities on an oppressive, single-axis slider is outright offensive. You might as well literally be Hitler. We clearly need a 5-dimensional gender selector in the form of a virtual tesseract.
- p4wnc6 11y agoHow dare you! My gender requires an infinite dimensional Hilbert space ... and no it is not a Reproducing Kernel Hilbert Space either!
- pushboundaries 11y agoI sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.
- stuaxo 11y agoCan we have a column for country please ?
- e0m 11y agoWow, after ~90 submissions there have been 0 female-identified entries :/
- ksenzee 11y agoI'm one of the only women I know who posts here. I'm afraid it's not a particularly friendly community for women, and it does get old seeing the same stupid flamewars about gender and women in the industry and feminism et cetera ad infinitum.
- zo1 11y ago>"I'm afraid it's not a particularly friendly community for women" Anti-female, sexist, or insensitive-about-female-issue posts regularly get downvoted and flagged, from what I've seen.
- ksenzee 11y agoThe worst posts certainly get downvoted and flagged. The problem is the posts that sound reasonable but aren't. It gets tiring and somewhat depressing trying to educate people about the same things over and over again.
- 13thLetter 11y agoPerhaps people are coming here to discuss things, not to be "educated."
- ksenzee 11y agoI certainly hope not. To me the entire value of Hacker News is being educated about things I don't understand, by people who know exactly what they're talking about.
- Symbiote 11y agoThat could be because lots of people just ignore these topics on a Web site. I'll argue in person, but it achieves nothing over the Web except to annoy me, so I pass over the comments or articles.
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- donretag 11y agoCan you sort on the columns?
- evtothedev 11y agoDoes anyone know why engineering salaries are so low in Chicago? Especially with regards to city size / cost of living / amount of tech? It baffled me when I lived there, and it still baffles me when I don't.
- rhino369 11y agoTo add another reason beyond just cost of living: Chicago has a bunch of really high quality engineering schools nearby that produce an absolute ton of engineers. You have people from UIUC, Northwestern, Purdue, IUB, UWMadison, and Michigan all moving to chicago after graduation. It creates a sort of glut in the labor supply. A lot of them cannot or just don't want to move far away for more pay. A lot of the grads are from chicago or smaller midwestern cities.
- chairmankaga 11y agoInterested in your opinion on what the range should be, currently struggling with knowing my true value in this market.
- sparuchuri 11y agoMy anecdata having worked in Seattle and Chicago now: Chicago's 'tech scene' is mostly either trading or tech applied in an incremental way to an existing business model, eg Groupon. The trading firms do pay quite well, but you'll be in an extreme niche and likely have limited insight into how you could ever leave, given you've not been building products/programming so much as coding performance improvements. The few "hard tech" companies I've seen come from Chicago are either a generation old at this point (eg Motorola) or have gone under (eg TempoIQ). The other fact of Chicago is, most of the tech talent here is here for reasons beyond having the best job ever. When I moved back, just about no one could believe that I didn't have a family/significant other/etc reason to move back beyond the job itself. When you have a market like that, employers have some buying power with the talent that does need to stay here. There's simply so few alternatives to the situation, given there's also little appetite for significantly striking out on your own, compared to the coast. Edit: I'll also say the appetite for go big or go home company growth is limited here. Can't tell you the last time I saw a "shoot for the moon" idea originate in Chicago. There are pros/cons to that, admittedly.
- alkonaut 11y agoEntering locations is notoriously difficult. Country + City is probably the best you could do, where country could be re-used for US States.
- thaumasiotes 11y agoEh, I think in cases of ambiguity you might be better off just sticking the state into the name of the city. Like "USA - New York City" vs "USA - Springfield (IL)".
- alkonaut 11y agoYes that works too - at least if you have a preset list of locations it's perfect. Country: USA City: Springfield (IL) If you don't have a db of cities to choose from you likely end up with cleaner data by sticking state to country since you could make a db for that with just some 100-200 entries. Country/State: US/Illinois, City: Springfield The original point is still there though, having a single location field breaks down quickly.
- kevinwang 11y ago>Location: Must be a number greater than 0 Locations shouldn't be limited to numbers. Also, now that the salary field is limited to numbers, it should be clear which currency everything should be converted to, since people can't put their currencies in the column anymore.
- z0a 11y agoSorry, should work now.
- itslennysfault 11y agoUntil someone tries to skew the numbers by saying they make $275,000 as a female SDE1 at Microsoft (row 130).
- home_boi 11y agoI think we could come up with a better way to standarize equity. Maybe have one column for per year value, and another with the details to capture weird vesting schedules like Amazon.
- yitchelle 11y agoSame issues with the other salary data aggregators. Missing the following. * currency, * country, * industry, * permanent or contractor * residential status, * remote or onsite, But I agree, if the data can be trusted, this is all you need.
- logicallee 11y agoGood comment. What are your thoughts on including: - "jump ship literally tomorrow salary requirement" (base, equity, signing bonus) regardless of whether you're looking, and an anonymized means of contact. It literally can't hurt. I don't think it even gives off any signal. I mean if you saw "$130K/undisclosed options/Bay Area/ Jump ship literally tomorrow: $180K + $15k signing bonus" it's next to no information. The only thing that can happen is you get a $180K offer in the mail, so that you can start somewhere else tomorrow. Nor does it price you out of any market, because presumably you would work for between $130K and $180K - maybe just not starting tomorrow, it would just take a LITTLE more interviewing. Nor does it show any level of dissatisfaction whatsoever to your current employer, should they put two and two together based on your skills or job title or anything else. thoughts?
- tdicola 11y agoThe data is going to get really stale. What my jump ship tomorrow number is today will probably be vastly different in a year, two years, etc. Not to mention how does it help someone who just wants to see how their salary compares to others?
- logicallee 11y agoThat person could leave it blank. But as for the staleness issue you raise - that could be quite easy, the automated contact could be "tdicola, you have received a message about your jump-ship number", it can list whatever the person wanted to send you, and if it's stale data you could update it on the spot or remove yourself from that kind of search. I would think most people "have their jump-ship-tomorrow price", and updating it whenever you receive an offer that's outdated (and based on old info) means it would stay more or less current.
- antonioneffy 11y agoDidn't realize that $80k straight out of college was that high until I saw this. Wow.
- akhilcacharya 11y agoAll depends on the area ;) Best offers I have seen out of college is $130K total comp from random people on the internet, haven't seen anything better yet.
- antonioneffy 11y agoI'm just wondering why a lot of these people with tons of experience are settling for sub-$70k jobs. Is there a reason for this?
- akhilcacharya 11y agoI'm still in college, so I wouldn't have any idea. But my guess is they don't want to move to a higher COL and are settled or they just don't know how much they are worth on the open market. One thing that I have noticed at my own school is that many of my peers undersell themselves and don't even apply to the highest paying companies despite being very qualified.
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- Glyptodon 11y agoIt's simple. Nobody hires in the cities I want to live in, or if they do, it's mostly defense related work I won't touch.
- antonioneffy 11y agoWell there's some in SF making under $70k and there's plenty of interesting jobs there. That's borderline poverty, isn't it?
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- efuquen 11y agoWow, you're literally being downvoted for just making an observation. Pretty sad for this community.
- Karunamon 11y agoProbably because it's a remarkably uninteresting observation, combined with weariness towards the topic of gender politics (see the mess downthread). I could have told you that HN readership skews male. Throwing the "observation" out there feels like an invitation to argue. Apparently meta-observations aren't taken well either :)
- hk__2 11y agoIt’s one thing to think there’s a gender bias; it’s another to actually demonstrate it.
- callumlocke 11y ago0 out of 90 is interesting.
- unethical_ban 11y ago<comment type='pedant'> They added a concerned face on the end, which implies there is something about which to be concerned. Objectively, that is an opinion, not just an observation. Subjectively, I believe it's nothing to be concerned about at all, considering the circumstances of the creation of the sheet and where it's been posted.
- codeddesign 11y agoBecause that's what this whole conversation secretly revolves around
- dang 11y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11331501 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11331501 and marked it off-topic.
- lcfcjs 11y agoThe WalmartLabs one is fake, 150,000 USD bonus? wtf?
- alpb 11y agoI think the results spreadsheet and how disorganized the results are is the answer to the question "why not". Most people just omitted the employer name, which I believe is the most significant factor to one’s salary.
- disgruntledphd2 11y agoI omitted the employer name because I don't live in SF and would be easily identifiable if I didn't.
- ones_and_zeros 11y agoWhat I'd like to see is a salary aggregator that works as a native app only: 1) It should use the Facebook model of release where only "elite" institutions are allowed on at first and only one at a time. 2) It should use geolocation as a way to verify the user works there (other ways are easier to game or too burdensome). Yes, this does leave out remote workers. See #1.
- pvnick 11y agoGo for it!
- avar 11y agoIt's trivial to game geolocation, e.g.: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakeg...
- fasteddie 11y agoSure, but 1. even a small amount of friction will cut off the vast majority from doing it, especially when 2. there's no payoff to lying about your location in a salary transparency app
- jdmichal 11y agoIf there's no payoff, then why gate via location in the first place?
- wagglycocks 11y agoBecause it's currently full of junk entries where people say they work on the moon
- jdmichal 11y agoSo then there is a payoff to lying?
- FreedomToCreate 11y agoThis is useless since people are not listing there employer or location and I see a bit of spam in that list as well. Not a good way to capture data.
- home_boi 11y agoBetter sorting to push down all the entries without employer/location would fix this problem.
- thetwentyone 11y agoTo what degree is one expected to derive meaningful results? You can compare for a close match, but drawing conclusions in aggregate is sure to be inaccurate. There's simply too much bias in this type of sampling.
- ap22213 11y agoWow, those are some surprisingly low salaries. Anyone want to team up to do my work for me? I show up and be 'the face', and then you take 50% of what I make. We both win. Either that, or I give you all a class in negotiation. :-)
- antonioneffy 11y agoYeah I'm surprised too. As a new graduate, Its kinda scary when you're making more than people with 10yrs of experience. Hope its not writing on the wall :(
- rdtsc 11y agoGuessing people with high salaries are probably hesitant to put them there for the fear of somehow being identified or tracked. People with lower or average salaries probably have no reservations sharing their salary.
- voiceclonr 11y agoWhat does Annual Stock Value/Bonus mean ?
- what_ever 11y agoMost of the stock grants (given when you start working/with annual bonus) are over 4 years. You tend to have multiple of these after you have worked at a company for multiple years. It's much easier to just compare if you just tell the total amount of stocks you are going to get in a year in USD.
- efuquen 11y agoCan you add a column for total annual comp that is base+bonus+stock?
- jayhuang 11y agoInteresting data, added my own to the list. Not sure why I imagined there wouldn't be any blatant trolls/ads on an anonymous Google Doc survey, but most of this info is still incredibly insightful! As a sidenote: results may be incredibly skewed as there is no currency indicator, I'd imagine lots of fellow Canadians would be putting down CAD which is currently down 24 cents...
- joshmanders 11y agoThis makes me wonder how many people are okay with being underpaid. Like my title is officially VP of Engineering. But because of the circumstances of my position and what I was hired to do, I am probably making less than what someone in my position gets in sign on bonuses. $30,000/yr This is because I am not only the first employee but the only employee (if you don't count CEO) and only technical person. I was hired to build a SaaS/Company by the owner of a company and to make that company it's first official customer of the SaaS. I'm being paid out of his pocket and the profits of his company. The pay isn't even close to what a software engineer with my experience should make, let alone the VP of Engineering. But it's above average salary in my state/area and is enough for me to live on.
- carlmcqueen 11y agoAll I can offer you is it only matters if you define yourself by your salary, which in my experience will only leave you feeling pretty hollow. I have worked for companies where I was underpaid but the work was great and the co-workers were amazing and now I work for a company where the work is boring but the pay is excellent (like you, for where I live) which makes more sense for my family right now. I'm okay with it, but I miss the old work environment.
- joshmanders 11y agoIn the near future I'd prefer to be making more. But when I was hired I specifically made it a requirement that I am paid at least enough to support my family and myself in the area. My state's average income is 24k/yr so I'm 6k above that. Which with my cost of living leaves me with a decent amount of money to survive and pay for my families needs.
- ceejayoz 11y agoI sure hope you're getting a big chunk of equity as the technical co-founder.
- joshmanders 11y agoI'm pretty positive I'm in full control of this company. I've taken reigns and made all the decisions. CEO has pitched in his requests, but ultimately has put me in full control, that being said I'm sure while my title says VP of Engineering (for his parent company by the way) I will become the CTO and co-founder of this company when it launches.
- LOLFEGGET 11y agoWhat the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
- LOLFEGGET 11y agoWhat the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
- zalzal 11y agoThe value of shares in most private companies can't be assigned a dollar value (since you can't sell it easily), so that column is meaningless for a lot of rows, including most startups. Also it's important to remember cash salary is often discounted in favor of higher equity at startups. I think a more relevant column to add would be percentage equity for startups/private companies (subject to vesting). And if you're at a private company and you don't know the percentage, you should ask.
- LOLFEGGET 11y agoWhat the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo. lololololololololol
- LOLFEGGET 11y agoWhat the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo. lololol LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL
- forrestthewoods 11y agoI've seen this happen a few times. Seattle has had a few salary spreadsheets go around. It generally stays low level (under 5 years) and eventually gets flooded with fakes. I wonder if what we really need is for it to just be straight public with your name attached. What if LinkedIn had a salary section? Let you display your current or historical salary. Would people do that? Say what they make? Seems unlikely. What if it's what they used to make? In Sweden this information is all public and searchable. So far their economy and culture hasn't collapsed.
- lhc- 11y agoDoing this on LinkedIn would be really bad, because that data would be out there for recruiters, and you'd lose most of your leverage when trying to negotiate at a new job.
- forrestthewoods 11y agoOr you'd get contacted my recruiters offering you sacks of cash. Or you'd get an offer and be able to see what current employees and competitor employees make. Secret salary information has near exclusive financial benefit to the employer. The only employee benefit is protecting their feeling.
- LOLFEGGET 11y agoWhat the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo. LOLOLOLOLOLOL GET REKT FAGGOTS
- david927 11y agoMaybe a column to add what you pay in rent/mortgage?
- jotux 11y agoIt's strange to me that these salary discussions are so narrowly focused on just pay/bonus and don't seem to care about benefits and work/life balance. Here's stuff I track in my own career spreadsheet and compare new jobs against these metrics when considering a new one: * Vacation, sick, and holiday time off * Distance to work and traffic considerations * Relative cost of living * Health insurance cost and coverage amount * Retirement benefits (401k, pension, etc) * Expected work hours per week
- home_boi 11y agoother data is just harder to crowd source/capture with all the different variations. For a google doc format, less is more.
- cookiecaper 11y agoAlso, people don't usually have that stuff memorized, so a quick ad-hoc survey like this would end up with a bunch of nulls and a bunch of incorrect guesses.
- morley 11y agoGlassDoor compiles that information. That site seems better for more complex analysis. I think the point of this spreadsheet is for simple analysis.
- KeepTalking 11y agoI strongly distrust glassdoor. A former employer used to ask interns to fill out glassdoor reviews during a t-shirt give out party. Needless to say those were the 5 star ratings all happening on a single day.
- nickysielicki 11y agoThat's why this sort of thing needs to be localized-- not just to a company, but to a specific office even.
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- thebouv 11y agoApparently the job title of HORNY in New York gets you a $420,000 salary and an interesting signing bonus.
- striking 11y agoSimilarly, I didn't know PornHub paid so well. I wonder how people are going to go about filtering out the nonsensical data from this sheet.
- lubonay 11y agoWelp. Seeing how someone with similar stats makes 6 times as much as you do feels a bit weird.
- negrit 11y agoWould be nice the add citizenship as well so we could see if foreigners are being paid less than locals.
- lazyant 11y agoValidation (based on reputation etc) would make wonders, like (ex-)employees of a company could flag or vote up/down if a salary in that company seem legit or not.
- run4yourlives2 11y agoJust to let you know, most HR circles usually completely disregard self reported salary info because it has a tendency, (even when anonymously reported) to inflate the actual amounts.
- ksenzee 11y agoI wonder how reliable that is. It would be in HR's interest to have everyone believe that self-reported salary information is untrue and can't be counted on.
- cookiecaper 11y agoI guess it depends on how much inflation is typical. What alternative do we have? It's not like companies are going to release this information to the public, and if they do, there's nothing to show that they're not going to be doing a little bit of inflation on their own. Personally, I think something like this is reasonably reliable. No one should expect to get an exact match, as salary comes down to a lot of variable factors, including individual negotiation skills, but most companies do try to keep things within a reasonable ballpark. And fwiw, I put in a salary about 5k below what I actually make.
- epicureanideal 11y agoIs there a study that shows that to be true? Can you point to any industry resources? Thanks!
- run4yourlives2 11y agoIt's self reported data in general, not specific to this case: http://www.sciencebrainwaves.com/the-dangers-of-self-report/ http://www.sciencebrainwaves.com/the-dangers-of-self-report/
- halfaton 11y ago"you can export the whole sheet and perform your own analysis or just copy the sheet and use Google Spreadsheet to run formulas and/or generate charts/graphs." I can't see a way to get the data out of there other than saving as a html page, there are no standard google docs controls available. Am I missing something?
- CroCroCro 11y agoIf you have Excel, you can use Data -> Import from Website
- SloopJon 11y agoIf you remove htmlview from the end of the URL, you'll get the regular view with the option to download from the File menu.
- dror 11y agoActually, that wasn't enough for me. I had to open a different sheet, and replace /htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true with /edit#gid=XXXXXXXXXX (replaces the XXXXXXX with your number)
- akazn 11y agoYou can use google sheets IMPORTRANGE function to make your own copy. For example: =IMPORTRANGE("1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l0FEykKsQKttu7O6q7iQd2bU", "'Salaries'!A:L")
- creed0r 11y agoHi, I'm a CS student in Europe and about to finish my MSc. I haven't got a clue about what to expect salary wise once I leave university. Looking at the spreadsheet I noticed, that all the jobs in the US easily make twice the money then the european ones. Since according to Google 1$ is about 0.9€, if you make 100k in the US this should roughly translate to 80-90k €. Now I do get that in the US you have to take care of all kinds of insurances yourself, but it can't possibly be as much as double the salary or am I wrong? So if someone could roughly sketch the huge salary difference that would be great.
- jnpatel 11y agoWhat's a scalable way to handle data cleaning, while still keeping things simple?
- nipponese 11y agoOP: can you please pin the first row?
- Mc_Big_G 11y agobecause we can't have nice things apparently...
- joeframbach 11y agoThe header row isn't sticky when I scroll. Come on Google, it's 2016.
- EddieRingle 11y agoSpreadsheet creator would be the one to change that. Google Sheets has the option available.
- throwaway_231 11y agoz0a, or anyone, is there a way to remove/obfuscate my submission somehow, if I realise that I'm fairly easy to identify by the information I've provided, and it puts my in an uncomfortable position? I've lost the edit link btw. Thanks
- throwaway_231 11y agoOtherwise, I think I'll just spam the doc with several random entries from the same employer, so that that one doesn't stand out.
- corford 11y agoWill add my info. Would be great if there was a way to reliably export/save/print this sheet.
- JPKab 11y agoYou need to add in an H1B question on here. I saw some salaries (like a Walmart salary) that HAD to be H1B.
- josh_carterPDX 11y agoIt's intriguing to see such a wide variety when it comes to salary, bonus, stock, etc. I think there are a lot of mitigating circumstances when it comes to how employers think about salaries and it's not a "one size fits all" model. Seeing this makes it easy for someone on the surface to think they're getting a raw deal if they see their job title along with a higher salary than they're getting paid. Hopefully more information will be transparent and people will get numbers like these in better context. It's not to justify the level of salary, but to provide more background since everyone's background is different.
- throwaway_7531 11y agoI'd put my salary on there, but it's a specific number in the $400k-$800k range (yes, base), which is basically identifiable. I may be the only person at my company on this specific number. (And I'm nervous about tightening that range up any more!) How many other highly paid professionals have the same hesitation? The really high salaries may never be part of an anonymous survey like this, where you are required to be that specific.
- ocdtrekkie 11y agoYeah, there's several on here already that are almost certainly identifiable, if the employer intended to figure it out.
- AceJohnny2 11y agoAt that cost to the company, what are you doing on HN on a Monday afternoon? I kid, I kid ;)
- poooogles 11y agoI'm going to assume he works for one of the big trading firms with that level of pay.
- S4M 11y agoCan you put a vague description of what you're doing so we can get an idea of what job can command this level of compensation?
- throwaway_7531 11y agoLots of things involving cloud computing, performance, SRE, software development. I'm still an individual contributor, although I consult with many others. I'm often working at the cutting edge, problems that haven't been solved before, but not always. Whatever the company needs I'm happy to do, whether it's glamorous or not. AFAIK, to get to my range and beyond, you need to be a top performer (and bring a multiple in value of your salary to the company), be an expert in in-demand technologies (ones that aren't really in demand don't count), have a good network including senior managers / executives at companies that want to hire you, and you need to know how to negotiate. And, you can't negotiate if you don't know what others are paid. Surveys like this should be helpful.
- udev 11y agoGotta say UK salaries compared to cost of living are pretty bad.
- poooogles 11y agoJust what I'm noticing as well. Lots of people in London are earning terrible wages for developers.
- fizwhiz 11y agoHow do I apply for the "Validate much?" employer in the "rm -rf *" location? On another note, searching for the keyword "fuck" yields some interesting entries...
- l0c0b0x 11y agoSomebody actually submitted this: http://snag.gy/VPJgz.jpg http://snag.gy/VPJgz.jpg
- beeboop 11y agoPornhub one was funny
- andrewclunn 11y agoDude a WalMart's getting screwed...
- antjanus 11y agoI'm waiting for the inevitable data visualization that digests all of this data
- emgram769 11y agoto sort by column use this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l0FEykKsQKttu7O6q7iQd2bU/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l...
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- vikramjb 11y agoz0a, or anyone, is there a way to remove/obfuscate my submission somehow ? I've lost the edit link btw. Thanks
- sakopov 11y agoI see a lot of senior engineers with just a couple or a few years of experience. This is interesting...
- BlackjackCF 11y agoWhat I've noticed in this industry is that there aren't really standards for titles. Some people brand themselves as seniors after maybe 3-4 years of experience for better pay, and often the companies that are hiring them are none the wiser.
- timv 11y agoA few of the examples I saw were for people working in consultancies. It's in the consultancy's interests to charge you out as a "senior", so they tend to push you up quite quickly. But then when people leave the consultancy they don't want to drop from "senior" to regular, and they new employer says "what do I care, it's just a title", so you now you have someone with 2 years total experience, coming into a telco as a "senior engineer". Now the people that have been there for 4 years complain that they're more senior than this new guys, so they get bumped to "senior" as well, but now the genuinely senior engineers want a new title, so they get to be a "solution designer" or something like that...
- venantius 11y agoThis survey is getting really badly trolled.
- bsharitt 11y agoIs it just me, or the link not really to a spreadsheet. I was hoping to filter the data so I could compare my salary, but I'm just getting a big ol' useless HTML table that looks kind of like a spreadsheet.
- webrender 11y agohttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l0FEykKsQKttu7O6q7iQd2bU/edit https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l...
- bsharitt 11y agoWeird. I can click on that link and it forces a redirect to the HTML view, but I can copy/paste it to a private window(i.e. not logged into Google) and it works fine.
- hodwik 11y agoI tried this in two browsers, both in private windows, and still get HTMLview. If someone has downloaded this, could you put it up somewhere else please?
- tnecniv 11y agoSomeone is going to need to clean the data. People are spamming it like crazy.
- karmacondon 11y agoThe slight danger of this "post your salary" trend is that it's really difficult to make comparisons out of context. Someone is going to go to their supervisor and say, "Hey, it says that a senior dev is getting paid $200k/yr at Company X. I want $200k too!" and then their supervisor is going to say, "Well, we don't feel that you're worth that much money." And now what? The supervisor could be 100% right, and maybe the employee just isn't worth that amount of money. Or maybe it doesn't make for the company to pay that amount of money. The employee could claim discrimination for any of a number of reasons, and it's almost impossible to prove that person X isn't worth as much to the company as person Y is to a different company. It seems like it could just create acrimony in what was previously a good relationship. Transparency in pay is important, but it's almost impossible to evaluate in an empirical way, much less a scientific one. Not to mention that there is wide discretion in compensation. It's illegal to pay someone less because of their race or gender, but employers can pay someone an extra $5k a year just because they liked the color of their tie during the last negotiation. Get paid what you're worth, but don't depend entirely on others to find out what that is.
- windlep 11y agoAbsolutely, of course, without a spreadsheet like this, its really damn hard to know what ballpark "get paid what you're worth" even is. At least with numbers like this, a few visualizations accounting for remote/office, and geographic location people will know the appropriate ballpark figures to work towards. It would be nice if a simple spreadsheet could include minimum PTO/year and some anecdotal average working hours (does everyone live at the office? or not?)
- Consultant32452 11y agoTry salary.com. You put in your zip code and job title, if your company does "unique" titles you may have to translate into something relevant to the industry. It even includes things like retirement matching, paid days off, etc. It's free, and with loads more data than this silly spreadsheet will ever get.
- omegaworks 11y agoPlease add a race column.
- kofejnik 11y agoFrelancers/consultants, especially remote, making >200k - how? Please share your wisdom
- dustingetz 11y agoBe better than everyone else, and be able to demonstrate it
- kofejnik 11y agoWould be nice if it had 'job responsibilities' and 'tech skills' fields
- whack 11y agoIf only there was a site where people could enter in their salary info, and it would automatically calculate average/median/range based on specific cities/companies/title/years-of-experience.
- bjourne 11y agoMaybe one industrious person can make one for each country? Salaries don't compare well internationally. Like in Sweden you don't have bonuses or stock options but other salary modifiers. Some employers pay up to to 10% of the salary in a retirement fund so 40 000 kr + 10% would be a better deal than 43 000 kr + 0%.
- bobintornado 11y agocan we put currency also?
- bajsejohannes 11y agoz0a: Maybe specify that salary/comp should be in USD? Right now most of them are, but it's a little unclear which currency the non-US companies are in. (Alternatively currency could be specified, but... probably more work)
- talloaktrees 11y agoI've done some data visualization of the spread sheet data: https://github.com/jrenner/hacker-news-salaries-data https://github.com/jrenner/hacker-news-salaries-data
- exadeci 11y agoNice, unfortunately there are lots of trolls just spamming or creating fake inequalities for example 2527 and 2528 the only difference is the gender
- zo1 11y agoAlso, some of them put their monthly salary as opposed to the "yearly" one. A South African monthly salary looks a whole lot similar to say a UK yearly one. E.g. ZAR40000 / month vs GBP45000/year.
- fgandiya 11y agoBesides the swastika and the other trolls on the spreadsheet, I'm really wondering how some of you guys commandeer relatively high salaries just after graduating.
- phkn1 11y agoDid anyone else notice the weird GNU/Linux screed on line 803? In particular, the "Additional Comments" content is actually written with a large amount of look-alike Unicode. Playing around with this data in Excel somehow byte-shifted it into garbage. I noticed that other folks thought it would be funny to put things like =SUM(G1:G1000) in other cells, but this seems a little bit more sinister for some reason. Anyone savvy enough in UTF-8 to deduce what's going on there?
- arnarbi 11y agoI don't see anything weird (except that it's a useless entry). The Additional Comments column has a long quote by Stallman starting "I'd like to interject for a moment..." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Stallman https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Stallman
- phkn1 11y agoDepending on the system you use to view the text, many of the characters are actually printed using non-Roman lookalike characters that still render as the "usual" ones. In OSX / Firefox I see the usual text in the web view, but in source view there's a variation in shading between characters, in what should be an unadorned monospaced font. Viewing the same source in Chrome shows the trick for what it is... https://www.dropbox.com/s/oj9cqlh3kh90zep/Screenshot%202016-03-22%2016.15.36.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/oj9cqlh3kh90zep/Screenshot%202016-... Subtle and not always visible due to differences in display normalization in various libraries? Way out of my depth for system fonts / encoding issues. But hopefully the above shows what I'm talking about. Could there be some data hidden in the lookalike string values? http://www.lookout.net/2012/04/generating-confusable-lookalike-strings.html http://www.lookout.net/2012/04/generating-confusable-lookali...
- anonfunction 11y agoFor anyone wanting to download it, which I don't believe it is set to allow since there was no such UI present to allow it I found that this link[1] downloads the spreadsheet in CSV format: 1. https://spreadsheets.google.com/feeds/download/spreadsheets/Export?key=1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l0FEykKsQKttu7O6q7iQd2bU&exportFormat=csv https://spreadsheets.google.com/feeds/download/spreadsheets/...
- tinalumfoil 11y agoAnyone know why Excel's giving me errors about circular references?
- fapjacks 11y ago/b/ got a hold of it.
- jvm 11y agoOne thing to note here: European salaries are often quoted post tax, so they look substantially smaller than an American job with similar take-home.
- egman_ekki 11y agoI don't think so. I haven't seen a European country a where you usually discuss your salary post tax...
- kayoone 11y agoNot sure about that, as taxes are very individual it does not make much sense to give a post tax number. At least Germany it's not common to compare post tax salaries.
- tomp 11y agoIn the UK, it's always gross, pre-(employee-paid)-tax yearly salary. In Slovenia, on the other hand, it's usually net, post-tax, monthly salary.
- dood 11y agoNot in UK.
- marvin 11y agoAs I posted elsewhere, Norwegian salaries are always pre-tax but are substantially smaller than for similar positions in the US.
- INTPenis 11y agoThis could be good if there were some rules, everyone worth a salary should be able to convert their pay to a certain currency to get a uniform value, only numbers allowed. Also some moderation of shit rows wouldn't be hard. After that this dataset might become very interesting indeed.
- kayoone 11y agoGlaring differences between US and European developer salaries. In europe >100k salaries in western/scandinavian countries are quite uncommon for anything below team lead/CTO level while lots of junior guys seem to earn that kind of money in the US.
- pathy 11y agoFor sure, I actually pulled salary statistics from Swedish Statistics yesterday. From 2014, the latest available figure. Estimate an average of 2-3% salary growth per year since. For the category 2512, "Software- and Systemsdeveloper etc.", which is VERY broad but includes most developers and Application Experts (which is the role I currently have), the 90th percentile salary is $81-82k. The 10th percentile is $40k. Median salary for men is $60k, and every so slightly lower for women.
- trymas 11y agoTL;DR: in Europe salaries are usually discussed after taxes, whereas that amount with all taxes (on both employee and employer) can raise that sum around 2 times or more. Don't forget the huge system difference. Are those salaries before taxes or after taxes? Europeans like to know their salary after taxes. Health benefits, PTO, parental leave? In US it's totally under your company's grace, where in Europe most of this is set by law. All in all salaries are counted different, if employee in Europe has a salary (after taxes) of 30k €, then usually around 15-25k € went for taxes. Thus salary before taxation 45-55k €. Nevertheless employer must pay for that employee somewhere in between 5-15k € (at least in my country) of employer taxes (which are not part of employees salary, but employer is taxes according to it). So whole cost of one employee who is compensated 30k € after taxes is 50-70k €. Of course it depends on the country and there are 'tax havens'.
- kayoone 11y agoAt least where i live (Germany) salaries are never compared after taxes because the tax situation is very individual and influenced hugely by a lot of things like marriage, kids and other income. Also health care payments are influenced by a lot of factors as well. So it makes little sense to compare net pay. And even then, a good salary for a software developer with good experience would be 60k-80k pre taxes here, usually no bonuses or stock grants, so 100-150k in the US for juniors is still a big difference and imo comes down to the fact of huge competition in the market more than anything.
- metakermit 11y agoI've created a similar crowd-sourced spreadsheet for the hourly rates freelancers charge. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11335661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11335661
- alphanumeric0 11y agoWhy not a simple spreadsheet of all of the websites in existence?
- cldwalker 11y agoTo explore this dataset: 1. Open a new google spreadsheet 2. In upper left corner cell: =IMPORTRANGE("1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l0FEykKsQKttu7O6q7iQd2bU", "'Salaries'!A:L") 3. Enable Filter from Data > Filter in menu 4. Explore data with clickable filters on each column header: 4a. For example, click on Location, search in "Filter by values" and select locations (checkmark should appear). Click OK for filter to take effect. 4b. Filter by Annual Base and select a greater than X filter 4c. To see how many results (and other stats) you have for a filter, select a column and then click on the Explore button in the bottom right corner
- creed 11y agoHi, I'm a CS student in Europe and about to finish my MSc. I haven't got a clue about what to expect salary wise once I leave university. Looking at the spreadsheet I noticed, that all the jobs in the US easily make twice the money then the european ones. Since according to Google 1$ is about 0.9€, if you make 100k in the US this should roughly translate to 80-90k €. Now I do get that in the US you have to take care of all kinds of insurances yourself, but it can't possibly be as much as double the salary or am I wrong? So if someone could roughly sketch why the huge salary difference that would be great.
- ricleal 11y agoBrief summary. Taxes in the US are generally lower. In some European countries they are higher but you have a lot of bang for the buck. You usually benefit if you are married with kids though.... For someone married with 2 or 3 kids, the 1/2 salary in Europe gives you better life quality, not only in terms of free quality education, health care, but also in terms of paid vacations. Countries like France only work 35h/week and it's forbidden to check your work email from home :)
- creed 11y agoOkay, so let me get this straight. Here in Europe we have decided to build a society in which we don't get as much money to spend on our own but rather collect a big portion of that money and invest it back into our society, so that we can send our kids to school without directly paying a fortune for it. But I'm also paying a tiny bit of everybody elses kid's education. Where as in the US you get most of the money you earned and are free to spend it any way you like. Which means you gotta for pay for eeeeeverything but at least it's your choice but if you don't have the money you're f*ked? Is that it?
- loisaidasam 11y agoIt would be really helpful if the owner of this spreadsheet would make the header row sticky for simpler browsing
- banku_brougham 11y agoI'm a little worried: is anyone familiar with the info passed to google docs sharers? As soon as I click the link Google will connect the document to whatever google account is open on my machine. Does the OP then see my google account, (which is my name)?
- violaleeblues 11y agobecause simple spreadsheets are: simple spreadsheets. humans are a complex asset that floats relative to the market dynamics. paysa.com models the underlying asset uniquely using ai, machine learning, and signal processing bc "simple" spreadsheets or rows of a database does not accurately reverse engineer the compensation landscape for you, uniquely.
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- snoop 11y agoHi, I didn't realize my info would be shared. Thought it would only be used to compare to others. I would like to edit my entry to remove employer name. Please advise.