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Raspberry Pi 3 on Sale

677 points by MarcScott 11y ago

dtjones 11y ago
Have one major concern: Can the upgraded cpu and architecture handle more N64 games on retropie, specifically GoldenEye?
- khedoros 11y ago
  They're claiming the Pi3 benchmarks at 10x the speed of the Pi1, and the Pi2 hit 6x, so they're claiming that the Pi3 will be 166% the speed of the Pi2 at doing at least a few things. Would that be enough of a speed boost to get reasonable framerates, from what you've seen?
keenerd 11y ago
> At launch, we are using the same 32-bit Raspbian userland that we use on other Raspberry Pi devices; over the next few months we will investigate whether there is value in moving to 64-bit mode. So for now it is a "64 bit" system on paper only?
- rasz_pl 11y ago
  I guess your laptop is also '64 bit system on paper only', it boots in 16 bit real mode after all.
- JosephRedfern 11y ago
  Raspbian isn't the only OS available for the Pi. Also, a 32bit Userland doesn't mean you can't run 64bit software, does it? Doesn't it just suggest that pre-installed applications (and apt repositories) are 32bit?
  - keenerd 11y ago
    I asked around. It is likely you would need a chroot or at least special multilib/multiarch packages installed. The Debian Wiki has more details: https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port
- olympus 11y ago
  No, it is an actual 64 bit system. There is a huge difference between a CPU that can run 64 bit code and just hasn't had any compiled for it and a CPU that will never be able to run 64 bit code. As the RasPi foundation investigates this "over the next few months" there will inevitably be other people who release 64 bit builds for anyone who needs the extra oomph.
  - keenerd 11y ago
    That was why I said "for now". You know it does take time to work out the kinks for a new SoC. No one has yet.
- brianwawok 11y ago
  Is true 64 bit that exciting with 1 GB of ram?
WillieStevenson 11y ago
I just bought the Raspberry Pi 2 less than 1 week ago thinking it was about time to upgrade. WTH.
- lifeisstillgood 11y ago
  Similar - got the kids one for Xmas thinking "this will last a while". They are still in the packaging while I fuss about other things. Ah well, they can get faster boards in a while. Mine craft runs anywhere
- rb808 11y ago
  Especially as the FAQ still says: As of Feb 2015 there probably wont be a new model in the next 2-3 years. https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#generalFuture https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#generalFuture
taurath 11y ago
I also just bought a pi 2 - integrated wireless sounds great!
Jedd 11y ago
Great news indeed - though it looks like we're still committed to Raspbian? As much as I love the work the guys behind that have done, is the move to a native Debian distro for this architecture hamstrung by specifications, or something else?
- Narishma 11y ago
  I think it's more that they want to have a single distribution that works on all Pi models.
- makomk 11y ago
  As far as I know, the main thing hamstringing native Debian support is that the binary blob required to boot any of the Pi's is not DFSG-compliant so Debian won't ship images for the Pi. The second biggest thing is that you still need a custom non-mainline kernel.
  - flowless 11y ago
    Kernel support improved a lot and we now have https://pignus.computer/ https://pignus.computer/ running mainline kernel. Graphics and camera support are still missing but we'll eventually get there with 4.5 kernel.
azinman2 11y ago
Is the Bluetooth and wifi part of the SoC or at least get a decent bus? The pi's usb is known for suckage, and if the networking could be greatly improved (especially latency) that would be an amazing improvement.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  Let's hope the new SoC BCM2837 has seen some love there. It looks like more than just a tiny bump, so they probably took time to make things sane.
- dan1234 11y ago
  Yes, the Bluetooth & WLAN now use the SDIO interface[0] [0]https://youtu.be/Y2Z6b64eh2E?t=172 https://youtu.be/Y2Z6b64eh2E?t=172 (around 2m50)
anderspitman 11y ago
64 bit A53 and built in wireless. Fantastic. Can't wait to see how these turn out and what Hardkernel's answer will be.
- mappu 11y ago
  Hardkernel have the ODROID-C2 in beta for a release in two days' time for 40USD - http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=18683 http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=18683 Compared to the RPi3, this extra 5USD gets you gigabit ethernet, 2GB DDR3, higher clock speed, and HDMI 2.0 capable of 4K60.
  - saghul 11y ago
    Raspberry Pi kinda won the race not because it had superior hardware, but because of the community it sapwn. You have an order of magnitude more content online about the Pi than the competitors.
    - anderspitman 11y ago
      I think there's still a market for more powerful devices that don't provide as much hand holding. I agree though the community aspect of the pi is a huge draw, especially when it comes to fixing issues and more esoteric projects.
  - anderspitman 11y ago
    Awesome. Somehow I missed the C2 release. Been happy with my C1+.
  - xedarius 11y ago
    I have a XU4 and the only reason I got it was for the 2gb of ram. I don't need 8 cores and I certainly didn't need a fan. I'll be getting a C2. Does anyone know if the USB ports are fully powered on the C2? As I can power a USB HDD from the USB port on the XU4 (this is a big thing for me as it saves another power source).
guyzero 11y ago
Hopefully they release them outside Australia soon!
- anexprogrammer 11y ago
  They're on UK RS too, and showing in searches, so probably globally. Not showing at Farnell yet though, probably in 1.5hrs. http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8968660/ http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-deve...
  - guyzero 11y ago
    Yeah, as I figured it eventually rolled out to all the stores as the business day started.
- ascorbic 11y ago
  Pimoroni ship to most countries.
agumonkey 11y ago
And a nice HaD review (including competitor boards) http://hackaday.com/2016/02/28/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-3/ http://hackaday.com/2016/02/28/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-... ps: wanted to say the rpi team seems very smart in the regularity and smoothness of their product delivery. A nice amount of changes, same price point, reusable form factor, cute surprise annoucements (pizero). Kudos for that.
- swimfar 11y ago
  And here's an interview with Eben Upton, a founder of the Raspberry Pi Foundation: http://makezine.com/2016/02/28/eben-upton-talks-about-the-new-raspberry-pi-3/ http://makezine.com/2016/02/28/eben-upton-talks-about-the-ne... He also talks a little about his ideas for future versions of the board.
- antouank 11y ago
  > The Pine64 will be shipping out to backers shortly, but it’s already dead on arrival. I’m a backer of the Pine64 Kickstarter campaign, and I should have some commitment bias towards this cheap 64-bit computer. Even I must concede the Raspberry Pi 3 is the superior board. How is that, since Pine64 will have same CPU, plus 2GB of RAM, and Gbit ethernet.
  - rasz_pl 11y ago
    and WORST support ever imagined from company routinely shipping GPL violating binary blobs.
  - voltagex_ 11y ago
    The Pi will have a bigger community and more chance of mainline kernel support. I wish other boards could compete but that community is everything.
    - makomk 11y ago
      More accurately, the Pi has a bigger community of vocal fans and press who'll play up its accomplishments and shout down competitors and criticism of the Pi. For example, notice how not having onboard WiFi doesn't matter when the Pi lacks it, but is a big deal when it has it and its competitor doesn't. Also how the Hackaday article spins it as a good thing that, four years later, the Pi Foundation has released a board that's actually useable for the purpose they were promoting it for all along. For those four years, any suggestion the Pi wasn't usable for education was shouted down by fans and ignored by the press, but now the Pi 3's out and they can spin it as a positive thing...
azinman2 11y ago
Where to buy in the US? All the sites seem to be UK
- reacharavindh 11y ago
  Looks like these guys ship to the US for < $5 (I just tried an US Address - did not actually buy one) http://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b http://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b Cheers!
schappim 11y ago
What has changed: - Wifi Built-in - IEEE 802.11b/g/n support - A maximum transmit and receive rate of 150 Mbps - Supports both 20 MHz and 40 MHz channels - Supports Infrastructure mode, Wi-Fi Direct and soft-AP mode - Supports WPA, WPA2 (802.11i), AES/TKIP, IEEE 802.1X and WAPI - A maximum transmission power 15 dbm - Operating Frequency 2.4 MHz – 2.497 MHz - Bluetooth Built-in - New System on chip (BCM2837 reported to be 1.5x speed of previous gen) - Chip is now 64bit ARMv8 QUAD Core 64bit processor - MicroSD Card swapped out. Not more annoying spring ejection system that breaks. - Position of status LEDs has changed (there is a chip antenna where they used to be). - New power switching for 2.5Amp power supply. What is the same: - Same USB/Ethernet controller - Same form factor - Same GPIO Source (with images): http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-changes/ http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-c...
- hello_there 11y ago
  No mention of the amount of RAM anywhere.
  - hatsunearu 11y ago
    1GB of LPDDR2-900, the same as before.
    - nullc 11y ago
      Thats too bad, Odroid C2 has 2GB ram (and is 4x a53 @2ghz, with gige) and is only $5 more list. (And, if you compare with prices in stores that have it available, is actually cheaper).
      - alistproducer2 11y ago
        Unless what was typed is not true, I disagree with the downvotes. I'm someone thinking about getting a pi and I find information on alternatives helpful in making my decision.
      - 11y ago
cm2187 11y ago
I presume it starts to be powerful enough to run Windows RT. If Windows RT still even exists?
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  The 2 runs Windows 10 IoT, but that's not Windows as you know it.
  - cm2187 11y ago
    The only problem I have with Windows RT or Windows IOT is that there won't be any driver for any USB devices (in particular any probe). I am not sure what most people use RaspberryPis for but I found them useful as temperature loggers. And I don't feel brave enough to write my own driver...
    - voltagex_ 11y ago
      Any reason to use Windows on this over a Linux distro?
      - cm2187 11y ago
        For a hobbyist who is a windows user, linux isn't exactly user friendly. Every simple thing takes time. I managed to get my thing working with a little bit of python but it took me a day to do something that would take me 10min in .net and windows. I don't think regular linux users realise the importance of a good UI to make linux go mainstream and be accessible. No UI for the firewall, no UI for scheduled jobs (CRON), no UI to give the right permissions to enable some script to execute. Lots of acronym based commands that are anything but intuitive. As is, my experience of linux is that it is a "RTFM or die" system. [edit] and also the python 2 vs python 3 thing, which technically isn't linux's fault but that I wouldn't have to deal with if I could use .net. This was my first experience with python and I lost two hours on a bug to realise that python 2 wasn't compatible with SNI. And then you have several versions of python installed and to run anything you have to specify the right version and sub-version of python in the command. This was an awful experience.
thepiwo 11y ago
With better USB/Ethernet and 2GB Ram I'd be sold
- jmnicolas 11y ago
  What's your use case for 2GB of ram ?
  - 72deluxe 11y ago
    Running Java apps? I jest, apologies.
    - xedarius 11y ago
      That's my reason for wanting 2GB.
  - zemanel 11y ago
    gitlab ?
    - bronson 11y ago
      Without SATA gitlab would be pretty painful. Agreed though, git-in-a-box would be great.
  - thepiwo 11y ago
    Java Apps or use the RasPi for serious web-surfing
- makomk 11y ago
  Apparently the Odroid C2 has 2GB of RAM and gigabit Ethernet for $40, it just hasn't been receiving the publicity of the Pi 3. For example, for some reason the Hackaday post only compared the Pi 3 to the $70 octo-core+USB3 XU4 and then immediately dismissed it as too expensive.
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- schappim 11y ago
  Umm... I'm a reseller of Raspberry Pis in Australia and we have 450 units in stock here (AUD pricing with sales tax): http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-3-... We generally use them for teaching but also sell them as kits. PS. I picked them up today from Element14!
  - superuser2 11y ago
    This is Element14 right now: http://imgur.com/yNaFvuJ http://imgur.com/yNaFvuJ saying the Pi 2 Model B is the latest model. Do you ship to the US for cheap enough that it makes sense to pay for international shipping instead of just a more expensive device? Do any of the sellers that actually have current Pi devices in stock? The answer appears to be no.
    - schappim 11y ago
      I think you'd be better off waiting for Adafruit to go live tomorrow. This is a total assumption, but they're known to be good friends of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, and I would be surprised if they didn't have stock.
      - turnip1979 11y ago
        Just checked Adafruit .. they seem to be out of stock at the moment :(
  - voltagex_ 11y ago
    Do you think you'll be getting any more Zeros in? I'm very interested in turning them into USB devices.
    - schappim 11y ago
lispython 11y ago
About two years ago, I had a chance to ask Eben Upton if there would be a new platform like Arduino and Raspberry PI, what characteristics the new platform should have? And he said: > There's scope for something very powerful (almost PC-like) in the $70 price range. If I was starting a new venture today, this is where I'd aim. There is very powerful project like Bunnie Huang's Novena [1], but just the board will cost $550. [1] https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
- nielsole 11y ago
  > About two years ago So the Raspberry Pi is four years old... (according to the article)
- ac29 11y ago
  In a handful of ways the Pi3 is actually more powerful than the novena -- at 1/10th the price.
grondilu 11y ago
> Integrated 802.11n wireless LAN and Bluetooth 4.1 that will make setup even easier!
jakozaur 11y ago
Great move, given that some many rapsberry pi starter kits got wifi adapter on usb.
mschuster91 11y ago
What also has changed: no I2S connector for audio chips any more, and I had hoped for a proper 3-lane I2S to be able to do 5.1 HQ audio without relying on either the crappy USB bus itself or cheap quality USB interfaces. Not to mention that I2S sound is far less workload on the CPU than USB sound. Oh, and why doesn't the Wifi/BT antenna have an SMA connector for external antennas, e.g. directional antennas?!
- antocv 11y ago
  Doesnt HDMI audio provide as good quality as any i2s connector? Or do you just need i2s for interfacing with your own microcontrollers/older recieviers, which dont necessarily have hdmi (and thus copyright compliance, making it more expensive)? Last I read Raspberry Pi should allow for 5.1 hdmi passthrough or at least DTS.
  - mschuster91 11y ago
    HDMI audio requires an extractor (so one more wall wart + device), and I'm using a Pi2 for home cinema. And I'm one of those with an "old" HiFi setup without digital input, just analog.
    - nl 11y ago
      So use an old RPi? Or a Model B?
  - newman314 11y ago
    It does and that's how I have it set up. RPi source to receiver over HDMI. DTS 1080p movies playback beautifully with a slight overclock (on an original B).
  - theli 11y ago
    RPI's hardware doesn't support DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD passthrough though :(
- kingosticks 11y ago
  Hang on, really? So there is no scope for any sort of compact HifiBerry-like dac with a Pi3?
ekevjn 11y ago
i live in Viet Nam, really exited to buy one but seem like impossible
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  Will Element14 ship to you?
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voltagex_ 11y ago
Any idea where to buy in Canada (BC)? I'm not sure whether this is subject to import tax.
- franey 11y ago
  Newark is the element14 partner (subsidiary?) in Canada: https://canada.newark.com https://canada.newark.com
mkj 11y ago
I wonder how far the clock speed needs to increase further to be usable for x86-64 emulation? Sure you can recompile, but docker/sandstorm.io/etc type binary packages would be nice to run as-is.
- timthorn 11y ago
  Take a look at Eltechs' tooling - you can already do usable emulation for certain classes of software.
rcarmo 11y ago
Nice, but I'm going to wait until the amount of RAM catches up. That would be next logical step now.
- rasz_pl 11y ago
  ram upgrade would be nice, but imo speed is more important. SoC is still too slow to run anything that would need more than 1GB, but bandwidth is stretched pretty thin as it is ,shared with gpu - fullhd on 2 monitors with VGART666 already saturates mem controller. also fast IO would be nice, one pcie lane or usb 3.0.
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lifeisstillgood 11y ago
So my first, totally picky question, is - is the onboard wifi (woo!!) using a free and open driver in Debian? That would be awesome-er
- kingosticks 11y ago
  It's the same wifi chipset as the official wifi dongle, the BCM43143 (source: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13825 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13825). This chipset is supported by the open-source brcmfmac driver is available from the brcm80211 module of the linux kernel package, maintained upstream by the linux kernel community (source https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx)
  - dublinben 11y ago
    That still relies on proprietary firmware on the actual chip itself.
    - kingosticks 11y ago
      True: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/log/brcm/brcmfmac43143-sdio.bin http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-f... Either way, it's not really that interesting since you cannot boot the Rapsberry Pi without proprietary blobs anyway. I guess the important thing is that it'll work out out the box.
      - lifeisstillgood 11y ago
        I did not know the whole could not boot without proprietary blobs - can you expand?
willvarfar 11y ago
Is this more suited to robotics? The main stumbling block for the previous Pis was a lack of real-time OS e.g. RTLinux port. This was discussed recently on Proggit recently https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3zf04e/where_are_all_the_raspberry_pi_robots/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3zf04e/where_a... after I blogged about how I couldn't find a Pi robot kit to buy my kids last year: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/136598180858/where-are-all-the-raspberry-pi-robots http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/136598180858/wher...
whiskers 11y ago
We took a look at the new Pi 3 in our blog post here: http://blog.pimoroni.com/raspberry-pi-3/ http://blog.pimoroni.com/raspberry-pi-3/ We have them available shipping worldwide in our store! https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3 https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3
- bruo 11y ago
  Oh, "Sorry, we don't ship to Chile." :(
- 20kleagues 11y ago
  It says it is shipping out with the 2A PSU while the rpi website recommends that the pi3 uses a 2.5A psu. Any reason?
  - sangnoir 11y ago
    > Any reason? Yes. The full recommendation reads "This time round, we’re recommending a 2.5A adapter if you want to connect power-hungry USB devices to the Raspberry Pi." So I guess the assumption is the average person won't connect power-hungry USB devices to their Pi 3.
    - 20kleagues 11y ago
      That makes sense though I don't see a 2.5A adapter to order separately on their website (because I might be needing one later).
      - whiskers 11y ago
        We will be sourcing the 2.5A power supply but it really is only necessary for very power hungry setups!
        mynewtb 11y ago
        Would two webcams quality for that?
nivertech 11y ago
Anybody can suggest what accessories, case/enclosure and SD card are needed? I prefer to buy a kit. They list RPi 3 kit [1], but it's just list of old and new items, so it's not very clear. [1] http://uk.farnell.com/buy-raspberry-pi?ICID=I-HP-LB-feb16-raspberry-pi3 http://uk.farnell.com/buy-raspberry-pi?ICID=I-HP-LB-feb16-ra...
- whiskers 11y ago
  We have an essentials kit with case, power supply, and pre-imaged microSD card here: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-essentials-kit https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-essentials...
- blowski 11y ago
  !SPEAKER WARNING! I had mine turned on full blast and now need a camomile tea.
- khedoros 11y ago
  Aside from the board, you also need a power supply with a micro USB connection, capable of 2.5A of output (realistically, you can use a smaller supply, but 2.5A means you shouldn't have to worry about power limits). You need a MicroSD card at least 8GB in size, although larger is always nicer. Since it's the main storage for the device, faster is better. An ethernet cable, if you don't plan on exclusively using wireless. A case: the Pi3 is the same layout as the Pi2, so a previous-generation case will be fine. An HDMI cable, if you won't be using it exclusively headlessly (or a cable with TRRS on one end and red+yellow+white RCA connections on the other end, if you're going the analog route). A USB or bluetooth keyboard and mouse. That would be my shopping list, if I didn't have those things laying around at home.
choffee 11y ago
1Gb of RAM. What a shame. I wonder if there will be a 3+ any time soon. If these had 4Gb RAM they might be a serious bit of kit.
- ekianjo 11y ago
  It would not sell at 35 dollars then.
- gambiting 11y ago
  I has 8Gb of ram. Unless you mean 1GB.
gchokov 11y ago
Can anybody actually share useful projects with Raspberry? Yeah I have links to some "common and cool" projects that you can find over the first page in Google, but there's rarely something really useful..
- petemc_ 11y ago
  I use them with webcams and motion software for a budget cctv solution. I had some issues with reliability that I kludged around by setting them to reboot once a day. I also use them for basic network monitoring with munin and smokeping.
  - pauly 11y ago
    I have exactly the same! I understood it to be down to network issues, maybe that'll be solved with on board wifi?
- pjc50 11y ago
  I have mine reading my solar generation meter.
- pauly 11y ago
  I have them running home automation, energy usage, security cameras, and temperature monitoring (outdoor, and indoor home brew). Plus streaming audio and an inevitible xbmc http://pauly.github.io/lightwaverf/ http://pauly.github.io/lightwaverf/ https://github.com/pauly/raspbrewery https://github.com/pauly/raspbrewery http://pauly.github.io/pi-motion/ http://pauly.github.io/pi-motion/
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- erichocean 11y ago
  We used about 50 of them on a job for Nike earlier this month, reading from a USB-attached credit card reader from MagTek and sending the data to the server over Wi-Fi and in the streetcar, over Bluetooth LE to a co-located iPad Pro (and from there we used its cellular connection to talk to the server). Each Pi worked alongside an iPad Pro as part of an on-site digital retail experience called SNKRS XPRESS where we replicated Nike's "SNKRS" app on the iPad Pro and people bought shoes off the app and picked them up immediately. Four simultaneous locations: Toronto, New York, Chicago, and Santa Monica (i.e. Los Angeles). Other fun tech: Node.js on the Pis, NaCl for all crypto, TypeScript on the server (and Node.js), Stripe for handling payments, GraphQL for query handling for the iOS clients, and we used QR code display and reading to distribute public keys during setup. The Bluetooth LE data transfer code between Node.js and iOS was also a nice bit of work by my friend Erik van der Tier in the Netherlands. [0] (Warning: autoplay.) http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/10/nike-snkrs-xpress-toronto_n_9205924.html http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/10/nike-snkrs-xpress-to... [1] http://hypebeast.com/2016/2/nike-snkrs-xpress-pop-up-nyc http://hypebeast.com/2016/2/nike-snkrs-xpress-pop-up-nyc [2] http://weartesters.com/nike-snkr-xpress-experience-recap/ http://weartesters.com/nike-snkr-xpress-experience-recap/
trampi 11y ago
Does it support hardware-decoding of H264 High 10 Profile (10-bit)? The RPi 2 has no hardware support for decoding this AFAIK and is therefore not able to play such videos.
- kingosticks 11y ago
  The videocore gpu has not changed. So if the previous gen doesn't have hardware support then nor will this.
  - trampi 11y ago
    Ah, thanks for that information!
  - MegaDeKay 11y ago
    It is clocked at a higher frequency though.
  - khedoros 11y ago
    It's clocked at a higher frequency, and the video codecs seem to be built in software that runs on part of the GPU that isn't directly user-accessible (early builds of the firmware supported fewer codecs). So, the question would be if it is hardware limitation, or if it's just a case that hasn't been implemented in the firmware blob yet. Maybe it wasn't implemented before because the hardware wasn't fast enough to do it at the lower clock.
    - kingosticks 11y ago
      I think we'd have seen more products using the Videocore if it had the potential for anything vaguely interesting (like this). But here's to hoping.
      - khedoros 11y ago
        That may be. That portion of the chip is completely closed (no public specs or compiler), so I'm just speculating based on inputs and outputs to a blackbox system. I do know that I've seen people trick the thing (VC4 on Pi2) into pushing out 4K video at about 20fps and decoding 3 h.264 videos at once. Playing a 4th video caused a lot of visual artifacts. So it has potential for more than it's usually used for. There could be a low-level assumption of 8 bits per sample, or some other constraint that we don't know about. Or it could be as simple as Broadcom not being interested in marketing the chip toward higher-end uses like the 10bit profiles. Without signing an NDA and ordering 6-7 digits worth of chips, I think we can only speculate.
javipas 11y ago
This is a new incredible feat from The Raspberry Pi foundation, and I'm impressed by the modest media coverage there's been here and there. In fact, I think we've got here a clear example of the curse of human expectations (http://theunshut.com/2016/02/29/raspberry-pi-3-and-the-curse-of-human-expectations/ http://theunshut.com/2016/02/29/raspberry-pi-3-and-the-curse...). Having an (almost) complete PC for $35 with WiFi and the rest of its features is something amazing that seems to be quite normal. It amazes (and saddens) me how most people is unimpressed by this.
- wernercd 11y ago
  When super computers... I mean smart phones... sit in the pocket of a majority of people? Where we are... compared to 20... 30... 40... years ago? Mind boggling. I'll probably actually buy a Pi 3 (or 2... or 3) with this release because I've been wanting some for awhile.
72deluxe 11y ago
Typically, this is announced the day my Raspberry Pi 2 turns up....
- kayoone 11y ago
  Same here, with a $35 device it's not as bad though, i wanted to buy another one anyway :)
- yxlx 11y ago
  Investigate if you can return the RPi2, then.
  - 72deluxe 11y ago
    Hurray! I can, and I am!
    - tanker 11y ago
      I would wait until you have a Raspberry Pi 3 on order, or you might be waiting longer than you would like.
      - 72deluxe 11y ago
        Received and all good!
- oliwarner 11y ago
  Indeed. I was just about to buy a Zero and was looking through CPC Farnell (one of the UK distributors) and noticed they had a couple of thousands v3s in stock.
- FilterSweep 11y ago
  Haha, very typical - Same thing just happened to me, the first HN Rumor post I saw regarding it was one week after I received mine from the post. But all is not lost, the RPi2 is quite performant and I'd still wait on early adopters to report on potential overheating when under a heavy workload. RPi3 Might be approaching the higher-end ODROID (XU3/4) in cooling fan necessity.
unicornporn 11y ago
On sale? I gave up. In the blog post I can't seem to find any direct link to a store. I also looked in the store here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/ and only found a link to: http://www.alliedelec.com/ http://www.alliedelec.com/ I did a few searches in the store and didn't find the Pi 3. Looks like a fantastic little machine, but subpar PR for this sale.
- oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
  Halfway down the page: "Raspberry Pi 3 is available to buy today from our partners element14 [1] and RS Components [2]" [1] https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi [2] http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberry...
  - unicornporn 11y ago
    On element14 it's $43.462 for me, not $35. If i pick for "personal use" on rs-online.com it takes me to another list of resellers with varying prices. A little confusing.
- Nux 11y ago
  There are very obvious links in the post: "Raspberry Pi 3 is available to buy today from our partners element14 and RS Components, and other resellers." e.g. https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi
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sheldor 11y ago
Can this decode and play 1080p H.265 videos? I know it can't do it with the built in chip (hardware rendering), but I'm asking if its cpu is capable of doing so.
- vrodic 11y ago
  Kodi struggles with H265/FHD on Rpi2, but I'm hopeful this one will make it. Any other suggestions on hackable and cheap H265 capable machines?
  - keenerd 11y ago
    The Odroid C2 is $40 and can do 4k h265 at 60fps.
- thenomad 11y ago
  Ars Technica says yes - http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/raspberry-pi-3-has-wi-fi-and-bluetooth-64-bit-chip-still-just-35/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/raspbe... "The new Pi also gains H.265 support for the first time but is limited to 1080p at 30fps."
kayoone 11y ago
Any insights on why it took 3 years from RPI v1 to v2 and now v3 is released in less than a year? Not complaining, just curious. Is it just because they are so much bigger now ?
- rasz_pl 11y ago
  I think Broadcom finally realized they have something beneficial on their hands with millions of users and vibrant community. Pee gives them free beta testing of new SoCs. Afaik this is first armv8 from broadcom ever, they announced Vulcan almost 3 years ago and still didnt ship anything. Excellent linux support and great name recognition also count for something.
- keenerd 11y ago
  Competition probably. It wasn't that long ago that their official roadmap delayed the RPi2 until 2017. http://www.geek.com/chips/no-raspberry-pi-2-until-2017-software-is-the-focus-for-now-1599210/ http://www.geek.com/chips/no-raspberry-pi-2-until-2017-softw...
- pjc50 11y ago
  More money, more staff, more market validation and demand. It's quite striking how a Pi launch reminds me of games console launches, with all the excitement and units selling out everywhere.
rcknr 11y ago
Is there any info regarding that header on the other side of the board, just on the back of HDMI connector?
- whiskers 11y ago
  It's the VideoCore JTAG header used for debug and development - it's not intended for end user use.
krylon 11y ago
I was thinking of getting a second Pi only recently, this makes the decision a lot easier. I got my first one hoping to tinker with it a little, but it ended up hooked to my TV and running OpenELEC. So here's to hoping the second time will be more tinker-y.
philfrasty 11y ago
I always wonder why they do not (as well) sell directly to the consumer but through their distributors. I mean acquiring the customer yourself and then selling through someone else. Why?
- moonbug 11y ago
  Because that's not their business.
digi_owl 11y ago
Dunno why this took so long to dawn on me, but here we have 1.2GHz, quad core, 64-bit, computer with wifi, bluetooth, multiple USB ports, and ethernet. And it is PASSIVELY cooled!
- driverdan 11y ago
  > And it is PASSIVELY cooled! So is every phone. The fact that it's $35 is the impressive part.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    Yeah i know. But most phones have barely a single micro-USB port.
    - lmz 11y ago
      You can get passively cooled netbooks with an Intel chip now. Mine's a Celeron N2840. Runs okay for everyday use.
      - phamilton 11y ago
        The new macbook is passively cooled.
        hatsunearu 11y ago
        It's also thermally throttled heavily.
- hsivonen 11y ago
  You can get Intel-based passively cooled computers with those features from Compulab. They cost a lot more than $35, though.
IgorPartola 11y ago
Does it still not include a crypto instruction set? Last time I tried to run anything crypto-heavy on an RPi it slowed to a crawl.
- fanf2 11y ago
  Yes the cortex A53 supports the crypto instruction set extensions.
viperscape 11y ago
"this provides a 50-60% increase in performance in 32-bit mode" I don't understand this. How does a 64 bit processor increase speeds for 32 bit? Or is this referring to an increase over 64 bit numbers in 32bit mode?
- reynoldsbd 11y ago
  There are several changes to the SoC, not just the addition of 64-bit support. They increased clock speed and made other architectural improvements (e.g. better instruction pipelining) resulting in these numbers.
- stygiansonic 11y ago
  I don't that phrase is implying that just a move to a 64-bit architecture allowed for these performance improvements. A more relevant clip of the phrase is: "The 900MHz 32-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A7 CPU complex has been replaced by a custom-hardened 1.2GHz 64-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A53. Combining a 33% increase in clock speed with various architectural enhancements, this provides a 50-60% increase in performance in 32-bit mode versus Raspberry Pi 2..." So, basically, the 33% increase in CPU speed and "various architectural enhancements" (pipeline changes?) provided for this increase, not (just?) the move from 32-bit to 64-bit.
glastra 11y ago
So... $35, but all official (as in linked from the original site) shops are selling it at 30 GBP (41.63 USD).
- gabble 11y ago
  As far as I can tell $35 is approximately £26 ex VAT which is then 20% additional cost for UK customers i.e the £30 prices your seeing at most UK resellers, aimed at UK customers.
  - glastra 11y ago
    You're right. They should probably point this out in the blog post itself right next to the price.
- ikeboy 11y ago
  If you order and ship to the US, you don't pay the VAT. You might get hit with foreign transaction fees and shipping, through.
leaveyou 11y ago
raspberry pi 3 at 35$ wow !!! checks price in Europe.. 46 euro, hmm, I think I'll pass..
rb808 11y ago
Are there any other more powerful boards that are USB powered? I'm thinking of using this as a small PC on my monitor - like an All-In-One. RaspPi is perfect as USB powered, things like a NUC need an extra power plug. Would be nice to have something more powerful though, Compute Stick is the only alternative I know of, am I missing something?
- jdhawk 11y ago
  There are the ODROID systems, which are still ARM based. I've heard a lot about the ODROID-C2, which people rave about. http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438 http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code...
ausjke 11y ago
This looks awesome. I hope it has SATA though. In fact among all the "popular" ARM chips, only iMX6 from NXP/Freescale and A20 from Allwinner provided SATA interface. Marvell used to do ARM/SATA and now it's hard to find those chips used in any open designs.
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ralphc 11y ago
The biggest "shut up and take my money" feature is the built-in wifi. Not that it wasn't easy to add wifi before, but this gives a true standard that special use cases can be built around. For example, using a Pi as a Tor bridge in my house. There have been plenty of articles on how to do that, but if the article code uses version 2.01 of a chipset and you have 2.02 you were screwed, not going to work, just give up.
- giarc 11y ago
  It's big because it also free's up a USB port that was often taken up by a wifi dongle.
mrtronique 11y ago
wow cool
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rootbear 11y ago
Part of me wishes this had been named the Model 3.14...
jokoon 11y ago
I wonder if they're planning to also put wifi on the rpi zero, or if they just can't. From the pictures, it seems there is no visibly added component from rpi2 to rpi3, so I guess wifi could be added on the rpi0 ? I mean wifi is really all I need, I don't need to plug so much USB peripherals or ethernet to such a computer, since everything can be done in SSH. We really live in wonderful times. I wonder if the RPi foundation will get enough momentum to even build some more advanced stuff like a cheap laptop. That's the only missing link to this awesome project. There already is a touchscreen, but I can't see solutions with a clean casing that can include a screen and a smallish keyboard.
- spaceisballer 11y ago
  They are planning on adding wifi to the Pi A+. Says in their FAQ.
weatherlight 11y ago
Now that there's wifi support. Using Pi's to experiment with cluster computing just got a whole lot easier. :)
phkahler 11y ago
What ever happened to Wayland / Maynard on the Pi?
optforfon 11y ago
Could someone please give me some feedback. I do a lot of optimization work and I've recently been diving into ARM specific optimization. At the moment I'm interesting in speeding up low level calls/NDK stuff for Android (mostly computer vision stuff).. you know SIMD(NEON) stuff and OpenCL I'd like an ARM system I can develop on natively (the toolchain is a lot easier than the cross compilation messyness). I've tried to use a Chromebook and it sorta works but I've come up on some limitation with Crouton (specifically you have a small selection of distributions and the kernel version for ChromeOS doesn't match what Debian wants - so no linux-tools and some weirdness with the filesystem) I've been eyeballing getting an ODroid http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143452239825 http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code... but something like a RPi would have a lot more support and might be adequate. The only downside is that the GPU doesn't seem to allow for OpenCL development. Thoughts??

677 points by MarcScott 11y ago

Have one major concern: Can the upgraded cpu and architecture handle more N64 games on retropie, specifically GoldenEye?

khedoros 11y ago
They're claiming the Pi3 benchmarks at 10x the speed of the Pi1, and the Pi2 hit 6x, so they're claiming that the Pi3 will be 166% the speed of the Pi2 at doing at least a few things. Would that be enough of a speed boost to get reasonable framerates, from what you've seen?

keenerd 11y ago

> At launch, we are using the same 32-bit Raspbian userland that we use on other Raspberry Pi devices; over the next few months we will investigate whether there is value in moving to 64-bit mode. So for now it is a "64 bit" system on paper only?

rasz_pl 11y ago
I guess your laptop is also '64 bit system on paper only', it boots in 16 bit real mode after all.
JosephRedfern 11y ago
Raspbian isn't the only OS available for the Pi. Also, a 32bit Userland doesn't mean you can't run 64bit software, does it? Doesn't it just suggest that pre-installed applications (and apt repositories) are 32bit?
- keenerd 11y ago
  I asked around. It is likely you would need a chroot or at least special multilib/multiarch packages installed. The Debian Wiki has more details: https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port
olympus 11y ago
No, it is an actual 64 bit system. There is a huge difference between a CPU that can run 64 bit code and just hasn't had any compiled for it and a CPU that will never be able to run 64 bit code. As the RasPi foundation investigates this "over the next few months" there will inevitably be other people who release 64 bit builds for anyone who needs the extra oomph.
- keenerd 11y ago
  That was why I said "for now". You know it does take time to work out the kinks for a new SoC. No one has yet.
brianwawok 11y ago
Is true 64 bit that exciting with 1 GB of ram?

WillieStevenson 11y ago

I just bought the Raspberry Pi 2 less than 1 week ago thinking it was about time to upgrade. WTH.

lifeisstillgood 11y ago
Similar - got the kids one for Xmas thinking "this will last a while". They are still in the packaging while I fuss about other things. Ah well, they can get faster boards in a while. Mine craft runs anywhere
rb808 11y ago
Especially as the FAQ still says: As of Feb 2015 there probably wont be a new model in the next 2-3 years. https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#generalFuture https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#generalFuture

taurath 11y ago

I also just bought a pi 2 - integrated wireless sounds great!

Jedd 11y ago

Great news indeed - though it looks like we're still committed to Raspbian? As much as I love the work the guys behind that have done, is the move to a native Debian distro for this architecture hamstrung by specifications, or something else?

Narishma 11y ago
I think it's more that they want to have a single distribution that works on all Pi models.
makomk 11y ago
As far as I know, the main thing hamstringing native Debian support is that the binary blob required to boot any of the Pi's is not DFSG-compliant so Debian won't ship images for the Pi. The second biggest thing is that you still need a custom non-mainline kernel.
- flowless 11y ago
  Kernel support improved a lot and we now have https://pignus.computer/ https://pignus.computer/ running mainline kernel. Graphics and camera support are still missing but we'll eventually get there with 4.5 kernel.

azinman2 11y ago

Is the Bluetooth and wifi part of the SoC or at least get a decent bus? The pi's usb is known for suckage, and if the networking could be greatly improved (especially latency) that would be an amazing improvement.

agumonkey 11y ago
Let's hope the new SoC BCM2837 has seen some love there. It looks like more than just a tiny bump, so they probably took time to make things sane.
dan1234 11y ago
Yes, the Bluetooth & WLAN now use the SDIO interface[0] [0]https://youtu.be/Y2Z6b64eh2E?t=172 https://youtu.be/Y2Z6b64eh2E?t=172 (around 2m50)

anderspitman 11y ago

64 bit A53 and built in wireless. Fantastic. Can't wait to see how these turn out and what Hardkernel's answer will be.

mappu 11y ago
Hardkernel have the ODROID-C2 in beta for a release in two days' time for 40USD - http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=18683 http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=18683 Compared to the RPi3, this extra 5USD gets you gigabit ethernet, 2GB DDR3, higher clock speed, and HDMI 2.0 capable of 4K60.
- saghul 11y ago
  Raspberry Pi kinda won the race not because it had superior hardware, but because of the community it sapwn. You have an order of magnitude more content online about the Pi than the competitors.
  - anderspitman 11y ago
    I think there's still a market for more powerful devices that don't provide as much hand holding. I agree though the community aspect of the pi is a huge draw, especially when it comes to fixing issues and more esoteric projects.
- anderspitman 11y ago
  Awesome. Somehow I missed the C2 release. Been happy with my C1+.
- xedarius 11y ago
  I have a XU4 and the only reason I got it was for the 2gb of ram. I don't need 8 cores and I certainly didn't need a fan. I'll be getting a C2. Does anyone know if the USB ports are fully powered on the C2? As I can power a USB HDD from the USB port on the XU4 (this is a big thing for me as it saves another power source).

guyzero 11y ago

Hopefully they release them outside Australia soon!

anexprogrammer 11y ago
They're on UK RS too, and showing in searches, so probably globally. Not showing at Farnell yet though, probably in 1.5hrs. http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8968660/ http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-deve...
- guyzero 11y ago
  Yeah, as I figured it eventually rolled out to all the stores as the business day started.
ascorbic 11y ago
Pimoroni ship to most countries.

agumonkey 11y ago

And a nice HaD review (including competitor boards) http://hackaday.com/2016/02/28/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-3/ http://hackaday.com/2016/02/28/introducing-the-raspberry-pi-... ps: wanted to say the rpi team seems very smart in the regularity and smoothness of their product delivery. A nice amount of changes, same price point, reusable form factor, cute surprise annoucements (pizero). Kudos for that.

swimfar 11y ago
And here's an interview with Eben Upton, a founder of the Raspberry Pi Foundation: http://makezine.com/2016/02/28/eben-upton-talks-about-the-new-raspberry-pi-3/ http://makezine.com/2016/02/28/eben-upton-talks-about-the-ne... He also talks a little about his ideas for future versions of the board.
antouank 11y ago
> The Pine64 will be shipping out to backers shortly, but it’s already dead on arrival. I’m a backer of the Pine64 Kickstarter campaign, and I should have some commitment bias towards this cheap 64-bit computer. Even I must concede the Raspberry Pi 3 is the superior board. How is that, since Pine64 will have same CPU, plus 2GB of RAM, and Gbit ethernet.
- rasz_pl 11y ago
  and WORST support ever imagined from company routinely shipping GPL violating binary blobs.
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  The Pi will have a bigger community and more chance of mainline kernel support. I wish other boards could compete but that community is everything.
  - makomk 11y ago
    More accurately, the Pi has a bigger community of vocal fans and press who'll play up its accomplishments and shout down competitors and criticism of the Pi. For example, notice how not having onboard WiFi doesn't matter when the Pi lacks it, but is a big deal when it has it and its competitor doesn't. Also how the Hackaday article spins it as a good thing that, four years later, the Pi Foundation has released a board that's actually useable for the purpose they were promoting it for all along. For those four years, any suggestion the Pi wasn't usable for education was shouted down by fans and ignored by the press, but now the Pi 3's out and they can spin it as a positive thing...

azinman2 11y ago

Where to buy in the US? All the sites seem to be UK

reacharavindh 11y ago
Looks like these guys ship to the US for < $5 (I just tried an US Address - did not actually buy one) http://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b http://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b Cheers!

schappim 11y ago

What has changed: - Wifi Built-in - IEEE 802.11b/g/n support - A maximum transmit and receive rate of 150 Mbps - Supports both 20 MHz and 40 MHz channels - Supports Infrastructure mode, Wi-Fi Direct and soft-AP mode - Supports WPA, WPA2 (802.11i), AES/TKIP, IEEE 802.1X and WAPI - A maximum transmission power 15 dbm - Operating Frequency 2.4 MHz – 2.497 MHz - Bluetooth Built-in - New System on chip (BCM2837 reported to be 1.5x speed of previous gen) - Chip is now 64bit ARMv8 QUAD Core 64bit processor - MicroSD Card swapped out. Not more annoying spring ejection system that breaks. - Position of status LEDs has changed (there is a chip antenna where they used to be). - New power switching for 2.5Amp power supply. What is the same: - Same USB/Ethernet controller - Same form factor - Same GPIO Source (with images): http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-changes/ http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-c...

hello_there 11y ago
No mention of the amount of RAM anywhere.
- hatsunearu 11y ago
  1GB of LPDDR2-900, the same as before.
  - nullc 11y ago
    Thats too bad, Odroid C2 has 2GB ram (and is 4x a53 @2ghz, with gige) and is only $5 more list. (And, if you compare with prices in stores that have it available, is actually cheaper).
    - alistproducer2 11y ago
      Unless what was typed is not true, I disagree with the downvotes. I'm someone thinking about getting a pi and I find information on alternatives helpful in making my decision.
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cm2187 11y ago

I presume it starts to be powerful enough to run Windows RT. If Windows RT still even exists?

voltagex_ 11y ago
The 2 runs Windows 10 IoT, but that's not Windows as you know it.
- cm2187 11y ago
  The only problem I have with Windows RT or Windows IOT is that there won't be any driver for any USB devices (in particular any probe). I am not sure what most people use RaspberryPis for but I found them useful as temperature loggers. And I don't feel brave enough to write my own driver...
  - voltagex_ 11y ago
    Any reason to use Windows on this over a Linux distro?
    - cm2187 11y ago
      For a hobbyist who is a windows user, linux isn't exactly user friendly. Every simple thing takes time. I managed to get my thing working with a little bit of python but it took me a day to do something that would take me 10min in .net and windows. I don't think regular linux users realise the importance of a good UI to make linux go mainstream and be accessible. No UI for the firewall, no UI for scheduled jobs (CRON), no UI to give the right permissions to enable some script to execute. Lots of acronym based commands that are anything but intuitive. As is, my experience of linux is that it is a "RTFM or die" system. [edit] and also the python 2 vs python 3 thing, which technically isn't linux's fault but that I wouldn't have to deal with if I could use .net. This was my first experience with python and I lost two hours on a bug to realise that python 2 wasn't compatible with SNI. And then you have several versions of python installed and to run anything you have to specify the right version and sub-version of python in the command. This was an awful experience.

thepiwo 11y ago

With better USB/Ethernet and 2GB Ram I'd be sold

jmnicolas 11y ago
What's your use case for 2GB of ram ?
- 72deluxe 11y ago
  Running Java apps? I jest, apologies.
  - xedarius 11y ago
    That's my reason for wanting 2GB.
- zemanel 11y ago
  gitlab ?
  - bronson 11y ago
    Without SATA gitlab would be pretty painful. Agreed though, git-in-a-box would be great.
- thepiwo 11y ago
  Java Apps or use the RasPi for serious web-surfing
makomk 11y ago
Apparently the Odroid C2 has 2GB of RAM and gigabit Ethernet for $40, it just hasn't been receiving the publicity of the Pi 3. For example, for some reason the Hackaday post only compared the Pi 3 to the $70 octo-core+USB3 XU4 and then immediately dismissed it as too expensive.

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schappim 11y ago
Umm... I'm a reseller of Raspberry Pis in Australia and we have 450 units in stock here (AUD pricing with sales tax): http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b http://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-3-... We generally use them for teaching but also sell them as kits. PS. I picked them up today from Element14!
- superuser2 11y ago
  This is Element14 right now: http://imgur.com/yNaFvuJ http://imgur.com/yNaFvuJ saying the Pi 2 Model B is the latest model. Do you ship to the US for cheap enough that it makes sense to pay for international shipping instead of just a more expensive device? Do any of the sellers that actually have current Pi devices in stock? The answer appears to be no.
  - schappim 11y ago
    I think you'd be better off waiting for Adafruit to go live tomorrow. This is a total assumption, but they're known to be good friends of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, and I would be surprised if they didn't have stock.
    - turnip1979 11y ago
      Just checked Adafruit .. they seem to be out of stock at the moment :(
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  Do you think you'll be getting any more Zeros in? I'm very interested in turning them into USB devices.
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lispython 11y ago

About two years ago, I had a chance to ask Eben Upton if there would be a new platform like Arduino and Raspberry PI, what characteristics the new platform should have? And he said: > There's scope for something very powerful (almost PC-like) in the $70 price range. If I was starting a new venture today, this is where I'd aim. There is very powerful project like Bunnie Huang's Novena [1], but just the board will cost $550. [1] https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena

nielsole 11y ago
> About two years ago So the Raspberry Pi is four years old... (according to the article)
ac29 11y ago
In a handful of ways the Pi3 is actually more powerful than the novena -- at 1/10th the price.

grondilu 11y ago

> Integrated 802.11n wireless LAN and Bluetooth 4.1 that will make setup even easier!

jakozaur 11y ago

Great move, given that some many rapsberry pi starter kits got wifi adapter on usb.

mschuster91 11y ago

What also has changed: no I2S connector for audio chips any more, and I had hoped for a proper 3-lane I2S to be able to do 5.1 HQ audio without relying on either the crappy USB bus itself or cheap quality USB interfaces. Not to mention that I2S sound is far less workload on the CPU than USB sound. Oh, and why doesn't the Wifi/BT antenna have an SMA connector for external antennas, e.g. directional antennas?!

antocv 11y ago
Doesnt HDMI audio provide as good quality as any i2s connector? Or do you just need i2s for interfacing with your own microcontrollers/older recieviers, which dont necessarily have hdmi (and thus copyright compliance, making it more expensive)? Last I read Raspberry Pi should allow for 5.1 hdmi passthrough or at least DTS.
- mschuster91 11y ago
  HDMI audio requires an extractor (so one more wall wart + device), and I'm using a Pi2 for home cinema. And I'm one of those with an "old" HiFi setup without digital input, just analog.
  - nl 11y ago
    So use an old RPi? Or a Model B?
- newman314 11y ago
  It does and that's how I have it set up. RPi source to receiver over HDMI. DTS 1080p movies playback beautifully with a slight overclock (on an original B).
- theli 11y ago
  RPI's hardware doesn't support DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD passthrough though :(
kingosticks 11y ago
Hang on, really? So there is no scope for any sort of compact HifiBerry-like dac with a Pi3?

ekevjn 11y ago

i live in Viet Nam, really exited to buy one but seem like impossible

voltagex_ 11y ago
Will Element14 ship to you?
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voltagex_ 11y ago

Any idea where to buy in Canada (BC)? I'm not sure whether this is subject to import tax.

franey 11y ago
Newark is the element14 partner (subsidiary?) in Canada: https://canada.newark.com https://canada.newark.com

mkj 11y ago

I wonder how far the clock speed needs to increase further to be usable for x86-64 emulation? Sure you can recompile, but docker/sandstorm.io/etc type binary packages would be nice to run as-is.

timthorn 11y ago
Take a look at Eltechs' tooling - you can already do usable emulation for certain classes of software.

rcarmo 11y ago

Nice, but I'm going to wait until the amount of RAM catches up. That would be next logical step now.

rasz_pl 11y ago
ram upgrade would be nice, but imo speed is more important. SoC is still too slow to run anything that would need more than 1GB, but bandwidth is stretched pretty thin as it is ,shared with gpu - fullhd on 2 monitors with VGART666 already saturates mem controller. also fast IO would be nice, one pcie lane or usb 3.0.

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lifeisstillgood 11y ago

So my first, totally picky question, is - is the onboard wifi (woo!!) using a free and open driver in Debian? That would be awesome-er

kingosticks 11y ago
It's the same wifi chipset as the official wifi dongle, the BCM43143 (source: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13825 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13825). This chipset is supported by the open-source brcmfmac driver is available from the brcm80211 module of the linux kernel package, maintained upstream by the linux kernel community (source https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx)
- dublinben 11y ago
  That still relies on proprietary firmware on the actual chip itself.
  - kingosticks 11y ago
    True: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/log/brcm/brcmfmac43143-sdio.bin http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-f... Either way, it's not really that interesting since you cannot boot the Rapsberry Pi without proprietary blobs anyway. I guess the important thing is that it'll work out out the box.
    - lifeisstillgood 11y ago
      I did not know the whole could not boot without proprietary blobs - can you expand?

willvarfar 11y ago

Is this more suited to robotics? The main stumbling block for the previous Pis was a lack of real-time OS e.g. RTLinux port. This was discussed recently on Proggit recently https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3zf04e/where_are_all_the_raspberry_pi_robots/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3zf04e/where_a... after I blogged about how I couldn't find a Pi robot kit to buy my kids last year: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/136598180858/where-are-all-the-raspberry-pi-robots http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/136598180858/wher...

whiskers 11y ago

We took a look at the new Pi 3 in our blog post here: http://blog.pimoroni.com/raspberry-pi-3/ http://blog.pimoroni.com/raspberry-pi-3/ We have them available shipping worldwide in our store! https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3 https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3

bruo 11y ago
Oh, "Sorry, we don't ship to Chile." :(
20kleagues 11y ago
It says it is shipping out with the 2A PSU while the rpi website recommends that the pi3 uses a 2.5A psu. Any reason?
- sangnoir 11y ago
  > Any reason? Yes. The full recommendation reads "This time round, we’re recommending a 2.5A adapter if you want to connect power-hungry USB devices to the Raspberry Pi." So I guess the assumption is the average person won't connect power-hungry USB devices to their Pi 3.
  - 20kleagues 11y ago
    That makes sense though I don't see a 2.5A adapter to order separately on their website (because I might be needing one later).
    - whiskers 11y ago
      We will be sourcing the 2.5A power supply but it really is only necessary for very power hungry setups!
      - mynewtb 11y ago
        Would two webcams quality for that?

nivertech 11y ago

Anybody can suggest what accessories, case/enclosure and SD card are needed? I prefer to buy a kit. They list RPi 3 kit [1], but it's just list of old and new items, so it's not very clear. [1] http://uk.farnell.com/buy-raspberry-pi?ICID=I-HP-LB-feb16-raspberry-pi3 http://uk.farnell.com/buy-raspberry-pi?ICID=I-HP-LB-feb16-ra...

whiskers 11y ago
We have an essentials kit with case, power supply, and pre-imaged microSD card here: https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-essentials-kit https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-essentials...
blowski 11y ago
!SPEAKER WARNING! I had mine turned on full blast and now need a camomile tea.
khedoros 11y ago
Aside from the board, you also need a power supply with a micro USB connection, capable of 2.5A of output (realistically, you can use a smaller supply, but 2.5A means you shouldn't have to worry about power limits). You need a MicroSD card at least 8GB in size, although larger is always nicer. Since it's the main storage for the device, faster is better. An ethernet cable, if you don't plan on exclusively using wireless. A case: the Pi3 is the same layout as the Pi2, so a previous-generation case will be fine. An HDMI cable, if you won't be using it exclusively headlessly (or a cable with TRRS on one end and red+yellow+white RCA connections on the other end, if you're going the analog route). A USB or bluetooth keyboard and mouse. That would be my shopping list, if I didn't have those things laying around at home.

choffee 11y ago

1Gb of RAM. What a shame. I wonder if there will be a 3+ any time soon. If these had 4Gb RAM they might be a serious bit of kit.

ekianjo 11y ago
It would not sell at 35 dollars then.
gambiting 11y ago
I has 8Gb of ram. Unless you mean 1GB.

gchokov 11y ago

Can anybody actually share useful projects with Raspberry? Yeah I have links to some "common and cool" projects that you can find over the first page in Google, but there's rarely something really useful..

petemc_ 11y ago
I use them with webcams and motion software for a budget cctv solution. I had some issues with reliability that I kludged around by setting them to reboot once a day. I also use them for basic network monitoring with munin and smokeping.
- pauly 11y ago
  I have exactly the same! I understood it to be down to network issues, maybe that'll be solved with on board wifi?
pjc50 11y ago
I have mine reading my solar generation meter.
pauly 11y ago
I have them running home automation, energy usage, security cameras, and temperature monitoring (outdoor, and indoor home brew). Plus streaming audio and an inevitible xbmc http://pauly.github.io/lightwaverf/ http://pauly.github.io/lightwaverf/ https://github.com/pauly/raspbrewery https://github.com/pauly/raspbrewery http://pauly.github.io/pi-motion/ http://pauly.github.io/pi-motion/
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erichocean 11y ago
We used about 50 of them on a job for Nike earlier this month, reading from a USB-attached credit card reader from MagTek and sending the data to the server over Wi-Fi and in the streetcar, over Bluetooth LE to a co-located iPad Pro (and from there we used its cellular connection to talk to the server). Each Pi worked alongside an iPad Pro as part of an on-site digital retail experience called SNKRS XPRESS where we replicated Nike's "SNKRS" app on the iPad Pro and people bought shoes off the app and picked them up immediately. Four simultaneous locations: Toronto, New York, Chicago, and Santa Monica (i.e. Los Angeles). Other fun tech: Node.js on the Pis, NaCl for all crypto, TypeScript on the server (and Node.js), Stripe for handling payments, GraphQL for query handling for the iOS clients, and we used QR code display and reading to distribute public keys during setup. The Bluetooth LE data transfer code between Node.js and iOS was also a nice bit of work by my friend Erik van der Tier in the Netherlands. [0] (Warning: autoplay.) http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/10/nike-snkrs-xpress-toronto_n_9205924.html http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/10/nike-snkrs-xpress-to... [1] http://hypebeast.com/2016/2/nike-snkrs-xpress-pop-up-nyc http://hypebeast.com/2016/2/nike-snkrs-xpress-pop-up-nyc [2] http://weartesters.com/nike-snkr-xpress-experience-recap/ http://weartesters.com/nike-snkr-xpress-experience-recap/

trampi 11y ago

Does it support hardware-decoding of H264 High 10 Profile (10-bit)? The RPi 2 has no hardware support for decoding this AFAIK and is therefore not able to play such videos.

kingosticks 11y ago
The videocore gpu has not changed. So if the previous gen doesn't have hardware support then nor will this.
- trampi 11y ago
  Ah, thanks for that information!
- MegaDeKay 11y ago
  It is clocked at a higher frequency though.
- khedoros 11y ago
  It's clocked at a higher frequency, and the video codecs seem to be built in software that runs on part of the GPU that isn't directly user-accessible (early builds of the firmware supported fewer codecs). So, the question would be if it is hardware limitation, or if it's just a case that hasn't been implemented in the firmware blob yet. Maybe it wasn't implemented before because the hardware wasn't fast enough to do it at the lower clock.
  - kingosticks 11y ago
    I think we'd have seen more products using the Videocore if it had the potential for anything vaguely interesting (like this). But here's to hoping.
    - khedoros 11y ago
      That may be. That portion of the chip is completely closed (no public specs or compiler), so I'm just speculating based on inputs and outputs to a blackbox system. I do know that I've seen people trick the thing (VC4 on Pi2) into pushing out 4K video at about 20fps and decoding 3 h.264 videos at once. Playing a 4th video caused a lot of visual artifacts. So it has potential for more than it's usually used for. There could be a low-level assumption of 8 bits per sample, or some other constraint that we don't know about. Or it could be as simple as Broadcom not being interested in marketing the chip toward higher-end uses like the 10bit profiles. Without signing an NDA and ordering 6-7 digits worth of chips, I think we can only speculate.

javipas 11y ago

This is a new incredible feat from The Raspberry Pi foundation, and I'm impressed by the modest media coverage there's been here and there. In fact, I think we've got here a clear example of the curse of human expectations (http://theunshut.com/2016/02/29/raspberry-pi-3-and-the-curse-of-human-expectations/ http://theunshut.com/2016/02/29/raspberry-pi-3-and-the-curse...). Having an (almost) complete PC for $35 with WiFi and the rest of its features is something amazing that seems to be quite normal. It amazes (and saddens) me how most people is unimpressed by this.

wernercd 11y ago
When super computers... I mean smart phones... sit in the pocket of a majority of people? Where we are... compared to 20... 30... 40... years ago? Mind boggling. I'll probably actually buy a Pi 3 (or 2... or 3) with this release because I've been wanting some for awhile.

72deluxe 11y ago

Typically, this is announced the day my Raspberry Pi 2 turns up....

kayoone 11y ago
Same here, with a $35 device it's not as bad though, i wanted to buy another one anyway :)
yxlx 11y ago
Investigate if you can return the RPi2, then.
- 72deluxe 11y ago
  Hurray! I can, and I am!
  - tanker 11y ago
    I would wait until you have a Raspberry Pi 3 on order, or you might be waiting longer than you would like.
    - 72deluxe 11y ago
      Received and all good!
oliwarner 11y ago
Indeed. I was just about to buy a Zero and was looking through CPC Farnell (one of the UK distributors) and noticed they had a couple of thousands v3s in stock.
FilterSweep 11y ago
Haha, very typical - Same thing just happened to me, the first HN Rumor post I saw regarding it was one week after I received mine from the post. But all is not lost, the RPi2 is quite performant and I'd still wait on early adopters to report on potential overheating when under a heavy workload. RPi3 Might be approaching the higher-end ODROID (XU3/4) in cooling fan necessity.

unicornporn 11y ago

On sale? I gave up. In the blog post I can't seem to find any direct link to a store. I also looked in the store here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/ and only found a link to: http://www.alliedelec.com/ http://www.alliedelec.com/ I did a few searches in the store and didn't find the Pi 3. Looks like a fantastic little machine, but subpar PR for this sale.

oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
Halfway down the page: "Raspberry Pi 3 is available to buy today from our partners element14 [1] and RS Components [2]" [1] https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi [2] http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberry...
- unicornporn 11y ago
  On element14 it's $43.462 for me, not $35. If i pick for "personal use" on rs-online.com it takes me to another list of resellers with varying prices. A little confusing.
Nux 11y ago
There are very obvious links in the post: "Raspberry Pi 3 is available to buy today from our partners element14 and RS Components, and other resellers." e.g. https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi https://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi

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sheldor 11y ago

Can this decode and play 1080p H.265 videos? I know it can't do it with the built in chip (hardware rendering), but I'm asking if its cpu is capable of doing so.

vrodic 11y ago
Kodi struggles with H265/FHD on Rpi2, but I'm hopeful this one will make it. Any other suggestions on hackable and cheap H265 capable machines?
- keenerd 11y ago
  The Odroid C2 is $40 and can do 4k h265 at 60fps.
thenomad 11y ago
Ars Technica says yes - http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/raspberry-pi-3-has-wi-fi-and-bluetooth-64-bit-chip-still-just-35/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/raspbe... "The new Pi also gains H.265 support for the first time but is limited to 1080p at 30fps."

kayoone 11y ago

Any insights on why it took 3 years from RPI v1 to v2 and now v3 is released in less than a year? Not complaining, just curious. Is it just because they are so much bigger now ?

rasz_pl 11y ago
I think Broadcom finally realized they have something beneficial on their hands with millions of users and vibrant community. Pee gives them free beta testing of new SoCs. Afaik this is first armv8 from broadcom ever, they announced Vulcan almost 3 years ago and still didnt ship anything. Excellent linux support and great name recognition also count for something.
keenerd 11y ago
Competition probably. It wasn't that long ago that their official roadmap delayed the RPi2 until 2017. http://www.geek.com/chips/no-raspberry-pi-2-until-2017-software-is-the-focus-for-now-1599210/ http://www.geek.com/chips/no-raspberry-pi-2-until-2017-softw...
pjc50 11y ago
More money, more staff, more market validation and demand. It's quite striking how a Pi launch reminds me of games console launches, with all the excitement and units selling out everywhere.

rcknr 11y ago

Is there any info regarding that header on the other side of the board, just on the back of HDMI connector?

whiskers 11y ago
It's the VideoCore JTAG header used for debug and development - it's not intended for end user use.

krylon 11y ago

I was thinking of getting a second Pi only recently, this makes the decision a lot easier. I got my first one hoping to tinker with it a little, but it ended up hooked to my TV and running OpenELEC. So here's to hoping the second time will be more tinker-y.

philfrasty 11y ago

I always wonder why they do not (as well) sell directly to the consumer but through their distributors. I mean acquiring the customer yourself and then selling through someone else. Why?

moonbug 11y ago
Because that's not their business.

digi_owl 11y ago

Dunno why this took so long to dawn on me, but here we have 1.2GHz, quad core, 64-bit, computer with wifi, bluetooth, multiple USB ports, and ethernet. And it is PASSIVELY cooled!

driverdan 11y ago
> And it is PASSIVELY cooled! So is every phone. The fact that it's $35 is the impressive part.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  Yeah i know. But most phones have barely a single micro-USB port.
  - lmz 11y ago
    You can get passively cooled netbooks with an Intel chip now. Mine's a Celeron N2840. Runs okay for everyday use.
    - phamilton 11y ago
      The new macbook is passively cooled.
      - hatsunearu 11y ago
        It's also thermally throttled heavily.
hsivonen 11y ago
You can get Intel-based passively cooled computers with those features from Compulab. They cost a lot more than $35, though.

IgorPartola 11y ago

Does it still not include a crypto instruction set? Last time I tried to run anything crypto-heavy on an RPi it slowed to a crawl.

fanf2 11y ago
Yes the cortex A53 supports the crypto instruction set extensions.

viperscape 11y ago

"this provides a 50-60% increase in performance in 32-bit mode" I don't understand this. How does a 64 bit processor increase speeds for 32 bit? Or is this referring to an increase over 64 bit numbers in 32bit mode?

reynoldsbd 11y ago
There are several changes to the SoC, not just the addition of 64-bit support. They increased clock speed and made other architectural improvements (e.g. better instruction pipelining) resulting in these numbers.
stygiansonic 11y ago
I don't that phrase is implying that just a move to a 64-bit architecture allowed for these performance improvements. A more relevant clip of the phrase is: "The 900MHz 32-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A7 CPU complex has been replaced by a custom-hardened 1.2GHz 64-bit quad-core ARM Cortex-A53. Combining a 33% increase in clock speed with various architectural enhancements, this provides a 50-60% increase in performance in 32-bit mode versus Raspberry Pi 2..." So, basically, the 33% increase in CPU speed and "various architectural enhancements" (pipeline changes?) provided for this increase, not (just?) the move from 32-bit to 64-bit.

glastra 11y ago

So... $35, but all official (as in linked from the original site) shops are selling it at 30 GBP (41.63 USD).

gabble 11y ago
As far as I can tell $35 is approximately £26 ex VAT which is then 20% additional cost for UK customers i.e the £30 prices your seeing at most UK resellers, aimed at UK customers.
- glastra 11y ago
  You're right. They should probably point this out in the blog post itself right next to the price.
ikeboy 11y ago
If you order and ship to the US, you don't pay the VAT. You might get hit with foreign transaction fees and shipping, through.

leaveyou 11y ago

raspberry pi 3 at 35$ wow !!! checks price in Europe.. 46 euro, hmm, I think I'll pass..

rb808 11y ago

Are there any other more powerful boards that are USB powered? I'm thinking of using this as a small PC on my monitor - like an All-In-One. RaspPi is perfect as USB powered, things like a NUC need an extra power plug. Would be nice to have something more powerful though, Compute Stick is the only alternative I know of, am I missing something?

jdhawk 11y ago
There are the ODROID systems, which are still ARM based. I've heard a lot about the ODROID-C2, which people rave about. http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438 http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code...

ausjke 11y ago

This looks awesome. I hope it has SATA though. In fact among all the "popular" ARM chips, only iMX6 from NXP/Freescale and A20 from Allwinner provided SATA interface. Marvell used to do ARM/SATA and now it's hard to find those chips used in any open designs.

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ralphc 11y ago

The biggest "shut up and take my money" feature is the built-in wifi. Not that it wasn't easy to add wifi before, but this gives a true standard that special use cases can be built around. For example, using a Pi as a Tor bridge in my house. There have been plenty of articles on how to do that, but if the article code uses version 2.01 of a chipset and you have 2.02 you were screwed, not going to work, just give up.

giarc 11y ago
It's big because it also free's up a USB port that was often taken up by a wifi dongle.

mrtronique 11y ago

wow cool

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rootbear 11y ago

Part of me wishes this had been named the Model 3.14...

jokoon 11y ago

I wonder if they're planning to also put wifi on the rpi zero, or if they just can't. From the pictures, it seems there is no visibly added component from rpi2 to rpi3, so I guess wifi could be added on the rpi0 ? I mean wifi is really all I need, I don't need to plug so much USB peripherals or ethernet to such a computer, since everything can be done in SSH. We really live in wonderful times. I wonder if the RPi foundation will get enough momentum to even build some more advanced stuff like a cheap laptop. That's the only missing link to this awesome project. There already is a touchscreen, but I can't see solutions with a clean casing that can include a screen and a smallish keyboard.

spaceisballer 11y ago
They are planning on adding wifi to the Pi A+. Says in their FAQ.

weatherlight 11y ago

Now that there's wifi support. Using Pi's to experiment with cluster computing just got a whole lot easier. :)

phkahler 11y ago

What ever happened to Wayland / Maynard on the Pi?

optforfon 11y ago

Could someone please give me some feedback. I do a lot of optimization work and I've recently been diving into ARM specific optimization. At the moment I'm interesting in speeding up low level calls/NDK stuff for Android (mostly computer vision stuff).. you know SIMD(NEON) stuff and OpenCL I'd like an ARM system I can develop on natively (the toolchain is a lot easier than the cross compilation messyness). I've tried to use a Chromebook and it sorta works but I've come up on some limitation with Crouton (specifically you have a small selection of distributions and the kernel version for ChromeOS doesn't match what Debian wants - so no linux-tools and some weirdness with the filesystem) I've been eyeballing getting an ODroid http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143452239825 http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code... but something like a RPi would have a lot more support and might be adequate. The only downside is that the GPU doesn't seem to allow for OpenCL development. Thoughts??