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How do they measure (not just calculate, if I understand this correctly) "a distance less than a millionth of the size of a single atom"? That sounds very diffi

How do they measure (not just calculate, if I understand this correctly) "a distance less than a millionth of the size of a single atom"? That sounds very difficult to do with equipment that is presumably made of atoms.

mclightning 11y ago
You can probably use sub-atomic features of atoms to do sub-atomic measurements. For example their electromagnetic fields may be shifting depending on distance to another atom or another field. PS: I am no physicist.
bbrazil 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson_interferometer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson_interferometer Basically fire two lasers at right angles to each other at mirrors, and see the pattern when they bounce back.
- dekhn 11y ago
  BTW, you can build your own Michelson interferometer (when it was first constructed, it was a technical marvel, involving a large hunk of metal floating on mercury, deep down in a building, and even then the experiment was affected by subtle vibrations): https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=6635 https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=66...
Velox 11y ago
When light interferes with itself it creates a "pattern". When the light beams are out of phase, the interference pattern is different. The gravitational waves basically minutely increase the distance that one of the beams travels and causes it to go out of phase with the other, thus changing the interference pattern.
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Aeolos 11y ago
It's pretty much as Velox and bbrazil said. You can use "low-coherence interferometry" to measure tiny signals that would be undetectable otherwise. Combine a "reference" beam with a "signal" beam and you get a measurable interference pattern, even when the magnitude of the signal beam is miniscule. This is what a real-life interference pattern looks like (I just acquired this from an actual interferometer illuminating a painted metal surface): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30682604/fringe_signal.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30682604/fringe_signal.p... This is now an established medical imaging method (Optical Coherence Tomography) to create 3d scans of biological tissue. It can also be used to measure distance or elevation changes on a surface of anything from a micrometer-level scale to a planetary surface. All you need is to use light with the right wavelengths and two measurements "arms" of roughly the same length.
- sgrytoyr 11y ago
  That does make sense, but I guess what I still don’t understand is how light can be reflected by a mirror (made of atoms) so precicely that it doesn’t hide sub-atomic differences. Won’t the light hit "different atoms" on the mirror, so to speak, thus changing the distance travelled by much more than fractions of the size of a single atom?
  - jarin 11y ago
    From what I understand, it doesn't really matter because the laser light acts as a coherent wave, so it doesn't really bounce off of individual atoms, per se. As long as the mirrors are flat, all that matters is the relative distance between the mirrors.
  - snowwrestler 11y ago
    > Won’t the light hit "different atoms" on the mirror, so to speak, thus changing the distance travelled by much more than fractions of the size of a single atom? Yes, it will, but that is already represented in the interference pattern. They're not measuring the absolute distance to the mirror. If they were, you are right about how the precision would be limited. Instead they're using the interference pattern to measure a change in the distance measurement over time. So even though the distance is somewhat of an average over many atoms, as long as it is the same mirror, it will be the same average at the same distance. Because the interference pattern represents photons interfering with each other, its precision is limited by the size of photons--which are much smaller than atoms.

mclightning 11y ago

You can probably use sub-atomic features of atoms to do sub-atomic measurements. For example their electromagnetic fields may be shifting depending on distance to another atom or another field. PS: I am no physicist.

bbrazil 11y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson_interferometer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson_interferometer Basically fire two lasers at right angles to each other at mirrors, and see the pattern when they bounce back.

dekhn 11y ago
BTW, you can build your own Michelson interferometer (when it was first constructed, it was a technical marvel, involving a large hunk of metal floating on mercury, deep down in a building, and even then the experiment was affected by subtle vibrations): https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=6635 https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=66...

Velox 11y ago

When light interferes with itself it creates a "pattern". When the light beams are out of phase, the interference pattern is different. The gravitational waves basically minutely increase the distance that one of the beams travels and causes it to go out of phase with the other, thus changing the interference pattern.

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Aeolos 11y ago

It's pretty much as Velox and bbrazil said. You can use "low-coherence interferometry" to measure tiny signals that would be undetectable otherwise. Combine a "reference" beam with a "signal" beam and you get a measurable interference pattern, even when the magnitude of the signal beam is miniscule. This is what a real-life interference pattern looks like (I just acquired this from an actual interferometer illuminating a painted metal surface): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30682604/fringe_signal.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30682604/fringe_signal.p... This is now an established medical imaging method (Optical Coherence Tomography) to create 3d scans of biological tissue. It can also be used to measure distance or elevation changes on a surface of anything from a micrometer-level scale to a planetary surface. All you need is to use light with the right wavelengths and two measurements "arms" of roughly the same length.

sgrytoyr 11y ago
That does make sense, but I guess what I still don’t understand is how light can be reflected by a mirror (made of atoms) so precicely that it doesn’t hide sub-atomic differences. Won’t the light hit "different atoms" on the mirror, so to speak, thus changing the distance travelled by much more than fractions of the size of a single atom?
- jarin 11y ago
  From what I understand, it doesn't really matter because the laser light acts as a coherent wave, so it doesn't really bounce off of individual atoms, per se. As long as the mirrors are flat, all that matters is the relative distance between the mirrors.
- snowwrestler 11y ago
  > Won’t the light hit "different atoms" on the mirror, so to speak, thus changing the distance travelled by much more than fractions of the size of a single atom? Yes, it will, but that is already represented in the interference pattern. They're not measuring the absolute distance to the mirror. If they were, you are right about how the precision would be limited. Instead they're using the interference pattern to measure a change in the distance measurement over time. So even though the distance is somewhat of an average over many atoms, as long as it is the same mirror, it will be the same average at the same distance. Because the interference pattern represents photons interfering with each other, its precision is limited by the size of photons--which are much smaller than atoms.