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I've been using this for a couple weeks. Along with Zcash, it is the most amazing crypto-engineering project I've seen in years. Imagine being able to share f
by rdl 11y ago
I've been using this for a couple weeks. Along with Zcash, it is the most amazing crypto-engineering project I've seen in years.
Imagine being able to share files on an ad hoc basis with anyone -- on any network. Share with someone based on Twitter, on Facebook, or email address.
Even better, all with cryptographic proofs of identity, strong crypto at every level, and open source.
- jgrahamc 11y agoCame here to say pretty much the same thing. It's slick and easy to use. It's actually the 'dropbox' I've always wanted and if they introduce a storage limit I'd pay. https://keybase.io/jgrahamc https://keybase.io/jgrahamc
- bduerst 11y agoMaybe this is a tangental question, but wouldn't it be relatively easy for dropbox to implement this? Or are you saying you prefer the command line interface?
- jgrahamc 11y agoI like the social proof, I like the crypto, I like the command-line as well.
- josh2600 11y agoGiven Dropbox's absolutely glacial pace of feature progression, no it would not be easy. I mean, all of dropbox runs off of one set of private keys... https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/28 https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/28
- fapjacks 11y agoDropbox works with the NSA to hand over customer data. You are absolutely right that something like this would go over like a turd in a punchbowl at Dropbox HQ.
- kiwibulldog 11y agoUnlike Google, Microsoft and Slack, Dropbox does have the top, 5 star, EFF rating for protecting your data from the government... I'm not sure what more they could be doing. Edit to add link to EFF ratings: https://www.eff.org/who-has-your-back-government-data-requests-2015 https://www.eff.org/who-has-your-back-government-data-reques...
- msh 11y agoThey could do client side encryption.
- nkuttler 11y agoYou trust the end users to back up their private keys?
- __david__ 11y agoI don't care what other people do. I want client side encryption!
- jabl 11y agoAt least on Linux/OSX/Android, you can use encfs to have a encrypted directory tree.
- reitanqild 11y agoThen use tarsnap already. Bonus: it is owned by our own cperciva. tarsnap is nerdish, secure and reasonably priced for what it provides IIRC. Haven't used it though but expect someone would have yelled out here if it was bad. (In fact the only one I've seen bashing it was patio11, -because it was too cheap and too nerdish.)
- cperciva 11y agotptacek also complains that tarsnap is too nerdish. :-)
- rdl 11y agoI'm looking forward to group sharing, on-premise caches, etc.
- chadnickbok 11y agoWhat's also impressive is doing away with Dropbox's clunky "selective sync". While having everything stored locally sounds like a good idea at first, as you store more and more data is gets less and less user-friendly; in other words, power-users get the worst user experience. Additionally, creating an easy way to share files with friends without taking up their quota is awesome. This looks like it could be a very, very powerful competitor to Dropbox.
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- lewisl9029 11y agoAt one point OneDrive used a similar approach, and power users loved it. But they've since moved away from that in favor of Dropbox-style selective sync for reasons that didn't seem very convincing to me. [1] [1] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/11/onedrive-getting-worse-to-get-better-in-windows-10/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/11/onedri...
- IshKebab 11y agoNot storing files locally sounds like a good idea at first - you don't have any syncing issues. But nobody has a perfect always-on internet connection. Having files local is worth the occasional sync cockup.
- chadnickbok 11y agoOh for sure there's a reason that approach is dropbox's default - its really hard for people to understand their files aren't really "there". That said, my point is more that for people who start storing 100GB+ of data, it becomes harder and harder to actually manage which bits you want at any time.
- revorad 11y agoHi John, mind sharing an invitation?
- jgrahamc 11y agoSent to email in your profile.
- revorad 11y agoThank you!
- siggypop 11y agoCould I get an invite too? I really love the premise of this project! Thanks
- brechmos 11y agoMe too please?
- baobrien 11y agoI'd really appreciate an invite, too.
- iso-8859-1 11y agoyou have no email in your profile
- baobrien 11y agooh, whoops, I thought I had it in there. I did get an invite, though, so no need to worry.
- Graffite 11y agoLove an Invite! Really looks slick :D
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- fweespeech 11y agoYeah. 1 GB Free + $.XX per additional GB would probably be the best model for them, at least looking at it from the outside.
- starshadowx2 11y ago> We're giving everyone 10 gigabytes. >There is no paid upgrade currently. The 10GB free accounts will stay free, but we'll likely offer paid storage for people who want to store more data.
- fweespeech 11y agoI was implying they should lop of the 0 and go with 1 free GB.
- taylorhou 11y agoi'm 8 hours behind but would love an alpha invite! =) my username at gmail
- didip 11y agoCount me in as one of the people who are excited. If you don't mind, Can I also get an invite?
- spenvo 11y agoanother shameless request for an invite, mid-project and am very excited by what keybase is doing here. thanks!
- neslinesli93 11y agoAsking for an invite as well. Email in my profile. Thank you John, or whoever has any invites left!
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- iso-8859-1 11y agoemail NOT in your profile...
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- msravi 11y agoI'd appreciate an invite too, if you have one - vmarsi75-hn at yahoo dot com. Thanks!
- toomuchtodo 11y agoSo IPFS with cryptography? Although, since Keybase still has a copy of the data, its closer to Dropbox with crypto. https://ipfs.io https://ipfs.io
- ianopolous 11y agoWe are working on "IPFS with crypto" for Peergos: https://github.com/ianopolous/Peergos https://github.com/ianopolous/Peergos
- mbrock 11y agoI don't think it's distributed in the IPFS fashion, right? Which makes sense, of course, since Keybase is a funded startup that needs to capture value... and, well, centralized file sharing is a more straightforward solution, too. The file system thing seems really cool and useful. I'm a fan of Keybase and will recommend this to people with whom I need to share sensitive data. It'd be interesting to hear the Keybase people talk openly about how they see their role as both infrastructure providers for an open web of trust, and an economic entity that requires for its survival some degree of lock-in and centralization.
- manyoso 11y agoWhich makes it pretty much boring from my perspective. Give me The InterPlanetary File System (IPFS) -> https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/
- mbrock 11y agoWell, what I'm hoping for from Keybase is enough user friendly tooling to encourage a lot of people to start using public-key cryptography. I don't see IPFS as really addressing any of that, even though it is extremely cool and valuable in other ways.
- natrius 11y agoIPFS alone is usable for the public web, but is not usable for private sharing. You need a social identity-oriented public key infrastructure with a good UI. That is Keybase, and it's incredible that we have this now. Sure, we should implement an IPFS backend for the storage part. But let's not neglect the huge progress the Keybase folks have given us.
- k__ 11y agoDoes it scale well? I mean, if I want to do some Torrent like P2P stuff, I need to... - gather public keys of all the people who want to download from me - encrypt every chunk for every person separately
- mayank 11y agoThe second part is usually handled by encrypting a randomly chosen symmetric cipher key using each public key, and then encrypting the file with a symmetric cipher. And I believe keybase was founded to tackle the first problem.
- StavrosK 11y agoA bit offtopic, but what do you like about Zcash, and what's different from Bitcoin?
- cyphar 11y agoZcash is an actually anonymous cryptocurrency (BitCoin is not, since senders and receivers are public). The crypto is definitely impressive (which it is, it uses zero knowledge proofs -- which are really cool math -- for a lot of its sending operations).
- StavrosK 11y agoI see, thanks! I'll look more into it, it sounds interesting. By the way, how did you manage to install Keybase FS? It won't work for me at all.
- cyphar 11y agoI'm not the grandparent, I don't have it installed. :P
- patcon 11y agoI managed to find the prerelease packages in the build scripts, and got it working through that. Make sure you restart the keybase service, as it doesn't happen automatically https://s3.amazonaws.com/prerelease.keybase.io/index.html https://s3.amazonaws.com/prerelease.keybase.io/index.html
- peternicky 11y agoCan you spare an invite please?
- grubles 11y ago>Along with Zcash Have you read about Monero or Bitcoin + Coinjoin + Joinmarket?
- jgrahamc 11y agoI see lots of people asking me for invites to Keybase in this thread. Sorry, I can't help, I'm all out. I gave away the 9 I had super-fast.