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No offense meant but why not get the app? I understand not wanting an application for a news website or something like that but something you use often like go

No offense meant but why not get the app? I understand not wanting an application for a news website or something like that but something you use often like google calendar it would seem like the application would be better than the mobile page.

cryptoz 11y ago
I do have the app. And that fact makes this double-annoying. When trying to visit a website, I'm told not to do that. That would be annoying on its own, and in fact it was for the first few years that it happened. But that's not at all what is frustrating me right now. What's super annoying is that Google claimed last year that they would penalize websites that do this, because they find it annoying too. Except they have done no such thing. I'm calling out Google's hypocrisy on who gets to show full-page ads without being penalized - Google does and nobody else? If they want to show full-page ads and be super annoying, then fine, I'll deal with it. But don't pretend to be against it when you do the same practice yourself.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  Why do you assume they're not being penalized? Showing that they rank above "timeanddate.com" doesn't mean a lot.
  - cryptoz 11y ago
    Being ranked #1 in a Google search for 'calendar' does mean a lot. Also, let's say they are penalizing themselves, but the penalty isn't enough to change their ranking. Why, then, would they claim that they are making this change because it's better for users to not have these ads but to still run these ads themselves? > Our analysis shows that it is not a good search experience and can be frustrating for users because they are expecting to see the content of the Web page. https://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/09/mobile-friendly-web-pages-using-app.html https://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/09/mobile-f... This would imply that they know the experience is bad for users, they know that the penalty won't hurt their ranking, and so they will continue to show the bad experience regardless? That's just as bad as them not penalizing themselves for the full page ad.
    - Dylan16807 11y ago
      A penalty that doesn't knock down one of the largest sites on the internet can still be a big deal to everyone else. I assume different departments run calendar and search.
      - fuck_google 11y ago
        I assume penalties should be relative in order to be effective.
- nodamage 11y ago
  > I do have the app. And that fact makes this double-annoying. It really just shows the sad state of mobile advertising when they're showing you ads for an app you already have.
  - robin_reala 11y ago
    On the other hand, I like that websites are unable to query my phone to find out what apps I have installed.
    - nodamage 11y ago
      Yes I agree with you, I don't want any random website to be able to query my phone to find out what apps I have installed either. However, if I'm on a specific app publisher's website, I wouldn't mind letting them know (through some mechanism) that I've already installed their specific app.
  - nostalgiac 11y ago
    Sad state? How do you expecet them to know all the apps installed on your phone? And if they DID know this information, people would be up in arms about privacy or lack there-of.
    - imtringued 11y ago
      It's google. They know that you downloaded the app from the Play Store and used the app to connect to their servers directly. They already have plenty of information.
    - id 11y ago
      If they don't know it, they shouldn't make assumptions.
    - nodamage 11y ago
      Yes, showing you an advertisement for an app you've already installed is bad UI/UX, regardless of the reason why. On the publisher side, it's also a wasted ad impression. I don't expect them to know all the apps installed on my phone, nor do I think they need that much information to solve this particular problem.
crottypeter 11y ago
Not if you want to allow attendees to edit your event. This is missing from the android app. So you have to browse to the calendar on the web and ... this.

cryptoz 11y ago

I do have the app. And that fact makes this double-annoying. When trying to visit a website, I'm told not to do that. That would be annoying on its own, and in fact it was for the first few years that it happened. But that's not at all what is frustrating me right now. What's super annoying is that Google claimed last year that they would penalize websites that do this, because they find it annoying too. Except they have done no such thing. I'm calling out Google's hypocrisy on who gets to show full-page ads without being penalized - Google does and nobody else? If they want to show full-page ads and be super annoying, then fine, I'll deal with it. But don't pretend to be against it when you do the same practice yourself.

Dylan16807 11y ago
Why do you assume they're not being penalized? Showing that they rank above "timeanddate.com" doesn't mean a lot.
- cryptoz 11y ago
  Being ranked #1 in a Google search for 'calendar' does mean a lot. Also, let's say they are penalizing themselves, but the penalty isn't enough to change their ranking. Why, then, would they claim that they are making this change because it's better for users to not have these ads but to still run these ads themselves? > Our analysis shows that it is not a good search experience and can be frustrating for users because they are expecting to see the content of the Web page. https://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/09/mobile-friendly-web-pages-using-app.html https://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/09/mobile-f... This would imply that they know the experience is bad for users, they know that the penalty won't hurt their ranking, and so they will continue to show the bad experience regardless? That's just as bad as them not penalizing themselves for the full page ad.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    A penalty that doesn't knock down one of the largest sites on the internet can still be a big deal to everyone else. I assume different departments run calendar and search.
    - fuck_google 11y ago
      I assume penalties should be relative in order to be effective.
nodamage 11y ago
> I do have the app. And that fact makes this double-annoying. It really just shows the sad state of mobile advertising when they're showing you ads for an app you already have.
- robin_reala 11y ago
  On the other hand, I like that websites are unable to query my phone to find out what apps I have installed.
  - nodamage 11y ago
    Yes I agree with you, I don't want any random website to be able to query my phone to find out what apps I have installed either. However, if I'm on a specific app publisher's website, I wouldn't mind letting them know (through some mechanism) that I've already installed their specific app.
- nostalgiac 11y ago
  Sad state? How do you expecet them to know all the apps installed on your phone? And if they DID know this information, people would be up in arms about privacy or lack there-of.
  - imtringued 11y ago
    It's google. They know that you downloaded the app from the Play Store and used the app to connect to their servers directly. They already have plenty of information.
  - id 11y ago
    If they don't know it, they shouldn't make assumptions.
  - nodamage 11y ago
    Yes, showing you an advertisement for an app you've already installed is bad UI/UX, regardless of the reason why. On the publisher side, it's also a wasted ad impression. I don't expect them to know all the apps installed on my phone, nor do I think they need that much information to solve this particular problem.

crottypeter 11y ago

Not if you want to allow attendees to edit your event. This is missing from the android app. So you have to browse to the calendar on the web and ... this.