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Similarly, Google claimed they would start penalizing websites that showed full-page ads for mobile apps instead of showing you the website. But every single ti
by cryptoz 11y ago
Similarly, Google claimed they would start penalizing websites that showed full-page ads for mobile apps instead of showing you the website. But every single time I try to get to Gmail, or Drive, or Calendar, or any Google service on the web using a mobile device, I'm shown a full page ad for a mobile app. Google has been doing this for years, and it seems like it's also been a year since they said they'd punish all sites that do that. But Gmail still turns up as #1 in search results for email, so does calendar, etc. It seems to me that they have whitelisted themselves and choose not to punish any Google property that breaks the Google rules, despite claiming to do so.
Edit: Typically, when a service tells me "no you can't use this service until you view a full page ad" I just give up and not bother continuing to the service. But the same is not true for Google. I reluctantly click through the full page ad every single time. It's incredibly annoying that I let them get away with this and still use the services. They are so outrageously arrogant about it and it bothers me greatly, but still, I don't change.
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Going to calendar.google.com: http://i.imgur.com/fNRhhYx.png http://i.imgur.com/fNRhhYx.png
First results for searching 'calendar': http://i.imgur.com/l3A5Wlh.png http://i.imgur.com/l3A5Wlh.png
- yeukhon 11y agoYahoo shows YMail. Bing is the only one shows Gmail as first, although Yahoo technically uses Bing. You can pretty much say Yahoo actually "put herself above others" and more guilty than Google. In fact, I don't think Google is doing anything wrong. After all, Gmail is popular, and if you are doing a Google search, the user may be interested to know Google also offer email and most likely the user is already a Google user.
- jtreminio 11y ago> You can pretty much say Yahoo actually "put herself above others" Do you mean `itself`? Since when are tech companies assigned genders?
- nailer 11y agoParent poster might not be from an English-speaking background.
- pdappollonio 11y agoThis. I would've written the same by mistake.
- yeukhon 11y agoI am not, sort of. You can refer to a country by "she", so why is it inappropriate for a company? I don't see any issues. You can view a company as a mother too.
- mynameisvlad 11y agoOne of the reasons a country has feminine gender is the association with the motherland (ie. one's native country).
- pollen23 11y agoNot all countries have feminine gender, just check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland
- schoen 11y agoI never thought about the question of whether, in languages that require nouns to have grammatical gender, particular countries may have a different grammatical gender from others, but on reflection I already know examples where they do in Portuguese: o Brasil, o Canadá (amusing to me because of the national anthem), but a Argentina, a Alemanha. I wonder if this also happens in German; the only examples I'm thinking of offhand are feminine (die Schweiz, die Türkei) but now I'm not at all sure that there isn't a masculine one too!
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- magicalist 11y ago> First results for searching 'calendar': http://i.imgur.com/l3A5Wlh.png http://i.imgur.com/l3A5Wlh.png Well in your screenshot it seems like you scrolled down on the "calendar" search results. I get some other random thing ahead of Google Calendar, in incognito or not. It is really annoying (I too hate those things, I would have installed the app if I wanted the app), but the click through thing only happens once in my testing. Are you clearing your cookies regularly?
- cryptoz 11y agoI scrolled down because the top of the page was a Google Ad for Google Calendar. I chose to show the first organic result. Here's the top of the page: http://imgur.com/cO84ogZ.png http://imgur.com/cO84ogZ.png
- airswimmer 11y agoHow about using a software to get rid of google ads? I can erase google ads from DNS level. Users can never reach any google ad at all. What you think?
- psykovsky 11y agoAdaway was already invented ;)
- solotronics 11y agoNo offense meant but why not get the app? I understand not wanting an application for a news website or something like that but something you use often like google calendar it would seem like the application would be better than the mobile page.
- cryptoz 11y agoI do have the app. And that fact makes this double-annoying. When trying to visit a website, I'm told not to do that. That would be annoying on its own, and in fact it was for the first few years that it happened. But that's not at all what is frustrating me right now. What's super annoying is that Google claimed last year that they would penalize websites that do this, because they find it annoying too. Except they have done no such thing. I'm calling out Google's hypocrisy on who gets to show full-page ads without being penalized - Google does and nobody else? If they want to show full-page ads and be super annoying, then fine, I'll deal with it. But don't pretend to be against it when you do the same practice yourself.
- Dylan16807 11y agoWhy do you assume they're not being penalized? Showing that they rank above "timeanddate.com" doesn't mean a lot.
- cryptoz 11y agoBeing ranked #1 in a Google search for 'calendar' does mean a lot. Also, let's say they are penalizing themselves, but the penalty isn't enough to change their ranking. Why, then, would they claim that they are making this change because it's better for users to not have these ads but to still run these ads themselves? > Our analysis shows that it is not a good search experience and can be frustrating for users because they are expecting to see the content of the Web page. https://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/09/mobile-friendly-web-pages-using-app.html https://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/09/mobile-f... This would imply that they know the experience is bad for users, they know that the penalty won't hurt their ranking, and so they will continue to show the bad experience regardless? That's just as bad as them not penalizing themselves for the full page ad.
- AJ007 11y agoThey also sell full page ads now: https://support.google.com/adxseller/answer/6068103?hl=en https://support.google.com/adxseller/answer/6068103?hl=en
- airswimmer 11y agoYou are right. I think Google want people to get annoyed with this vignette ads if he or she uses google calendar. The user should install Google calendar the APP to be fully controlled by google. Then Google can just sends the user any ad what google like... They all prefer user using apps rather than web pages. Google and others want to get fully control of users and make money...
- mark_lee 11y agoThe fact is they did penalize themselves for couple of times in history.
- tiagobraw 11y agoMostly when obliged to do so.
- rplnt 11y agoThey also said not to "penalize" websites based on user agent. Yet they do it and have been doing it for years. They also said to use valid html/etc while they didn't do it for cost saving/performance reasons. Not sure this one is still true. My guess is that this list of preaching water and drinking wine is pretty long for Google. I think their view is they know what they are breaking so it is OK in that particular case. The rest of us has to suck it up.