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There's nothing wrong with metro ui, people just didn't like full screen start menu in win8. Win10 has the old start menu back

mercurial 11y ago
I had briefly the misfortune of working with Windows 8. Double clicking on a PDF resulted in some sort of PDF reader opening up in fullscreen, without any obvious way of turning it into a normal window. I eventually resorted to installing a third-party PDF reader. If that's the new black, I can understand why people would want to stick with Windows 7.
- Joeri 11y ago
  Even on 8 that full-screen pdf reader now has a title bar with close button (since 8.1). And on 10 it's a normal window. Yes, MS messed up the UX on windows 8.0. They realized it, they fixed it.
  - mercurial 11y ago
    Nonetheless, if that's representative of Metro, I'll just say "no thanks". The problem is that Metro is apparently intended for phone/tablets. It may be good for this kind of scenario, the little I've seen of it is disastrous for desktop use. I want the best use of screen real estate, not an ersatz Android intended for small touch screens.
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    They "fixed" metro by reverting back to the old UI. I don't know what crack the Microsoft UX team were smoking, but the utterly ballsed up on Windows 8, so badly that it made Vista look tame. Windows 7 has been around for a long time because of the mess that was Windows 8.
    - Joeri 11y ago
      They assumed that the primary windows 8 user was going to be someone on a 2-in-1 touchscreen laptop. I used windows 8.0 on such a device, and liked it a lot. Windows 7's UI was a really poor fit for that device.
      - chris_wot 11y ago
        I don't disagree. Shoehorning a tablet interface into a desktop was equally ridiculous.
rincebrain 11y ago
I disagree - a number of things in Windows 10 (like Metro) are not necessarily bad conceptually, but feel unfinished at best. A number of tools have half-complete functionality requiring falling back into the old mechanisms for doing things (Network Connections comes to mind), or removing methods of accessing useful information (ex. how are you supposed to find out what the total capacities of the respective batteries in modern laptops with more than one are, or even which battery it refers to as "battery 1"?). Some things are even strangely broken (either Win8 or Win10 added a nice abstraction layer for consistent transition of headphones/speakers/... without needing to reinit your sound output or relying on the sound card hiding it from you. This behavior worked great in Win8, but now sometimes crashes any program outputting audio when headphones are unplugged.) The tile-based UI experience is somewhat painful without a touchscreen, and I'm glad that Windows 10 migrated away from requiring that experience regardless of your ability to touch - but for the "last version of Windows", it definitely feels like most people are going to be waiting for an equivalent of 10.1.
- cm2187 11y ago
  I think the windows 10 UI feels terrible when used with a mouse. These massive dialog boxes and menus are ridiculous, as the idea that a UI should be all shades of grey. They reduced the density of the information presented on screen, which means more clicks to do the same thing. From a UI point of view I think the only real improvement over windows 7 is explorer, which was really slow and doing a lot of unwanted things in the background. Deleting files would leave windows7 thinking about it for seconds for no obvious reasons. But there can be other reasons to upgrade. Virtualization in windows 7 is no good. And win10 is the only way to get http2 in IIS.
Dylan16807 11y ago
The search on the windows 10 start menu is oddly broken. Really a lot of 10 is quite buggy right now.
- taspeotis 11y ago
  I noticed this too but it came right after upgrading to build 1511.
- ju-st 11y ago
  The most ridiculous "bug" is: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_cortana/windows-10-search-does-not-index-exe-files/2b451f16-6a0e-49b4-a245-ebfeadf0d82e?auth=1 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-... But I'm just using Everything as search app, it's much better than any other search function.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    I think the limit of 512^H^H^H2048 start menu items that can be searched is more ridiculous, not sure if they fully fixed that yet. All too easy to hit with programs that install a dozen entries.
cm2187 11y ago
And it also comes with lots of bloatware. What annoys me is that they all are set up with firewall rules that enable them to do pretty much what they want. As for the get skype! Get onedrive! Get office! nagging bloatware, now even building your computer makes you feel you purchased a cheap laptop at walmart/tesco...
wnevets 11y ago
> Win10 has the old start menu back. I couldn't get it working like windows 7. It looked like a lazy attempt to create this talking point about windows 10.

mercurial 11y ago

I had briefly the misfortune of working with Windows 8. Double clicking on a PDF resulted in some sort of PDF reader opening up in fullscreen, without any obvious way of turning it into a normal window. I eventually resorted to installing a third-party PDF reader. If that's the new black, I can understand why people would want to stick with Windows 7.

Joeri 11y ago
Even on 8 that full-screen pdf reader now has a title bar with close button (since 8.1). And on 10 it's a normal window. Yes, MS messed up the UX on windows 8.0. They realized it, they fixed it.
- mercurial 11y ago
  Nonetheless, if that's representative of Metro, I'll just say "no thanks". The problem is that Metro is apparently intended for phone/tablets. It may be good for this kind of scenario, the little I've seen of it is disastrous for desktop use. I want the best use of screen real estate, not an ersatz Android intended for small touch screens.
- chris_wot 11y ago
  They "fixed" metro by reverting back to the old UI. I don't know what crack the Microsoft UX team were smoking, but the utterly ballsed up on Windows 8, so badly that it made Vista look tame. Windows 7 has been around for a long time because of the mess that was Windows 8.
  - Joeri 11y ago
    They assumed that the primary windows 8 user was going to be someone on a 2-in-1 touchscreen laptop. I used windows 8.0 on such a device, and liked it a lot. Windows 7's UI was a really poor fit for that device.
    - chris_wot 11y ago
      I don't disagree. Shoehorning a tablet interface into a desktop was equally ridiculous.

rincebrain 11y ago

I disagree - a number of things in Windows 10 (like Metro) are not necessarily bad conceptually, but feel unfinished at best. A number of tools have half-complete functionality requiring falling back into the old mechanisms for doing things (Network Connections comes to mind), or removing methods of accessing useful information (ex. how are you supposed to find out what the total capacities of the respective batteries in modern laptops with more than one are, or even which battery it refers to as "battery 1"?). Some things are even strangely broken (either Win8 or Win10 added a nice abstraction layer for consistent transition of headphones/speakers/... without needing to reinit your sound output or relying on the sound card hiding it from you. This behavior worked great in Win8, but now sometimes crashes any program outputting audio when headphones are unplugged.) The tile-based UI experience is somewhat painful without a touchscreen, and I'm glad that Windows 10 migrated away from requiring that experience regardless of your ability to touch - but for the "last version of Windows", it definitely feels like most people are going to be waiting for an equivalent of 10.1.

cm2187 11y ago
I think the windows 10 UI feels terrible when used with a mouse. These massive dialog boxes and menus are ridiculous, as the idea that a UI should be all shades of grey. They reduced the density of the information presented on screen, which means more clicks to do the same thing. From a UI point of view I think the only real improvement over windows 7 is explorer, which was really slow and doing a lot of unwanted things in the background. Deleting files would leave windows7 thinking about it for seconds for no obvious reasons. But there can be other reasons to upgrade. Virtualization in windows 7 is no good. And win10 is the only way to get http2 in IIS.

Dylan16807 11y ago

The search on the windows 10 start menu is oddly broken. Really a lot of 10 is quite buggy right now.

taspeotis 11y ago
I noticed this too but it came right after upgrading to build 1511.
ju-st 11y ago
The most ridiculous "bug" is: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_cortana/windows-10-search-does-not-index-exe-files/2b451f16-6a0e-49b4-a245-ebfeadf0d82e?auth=1 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-... But I'm just using Everything as search app, it's much better than any other search function.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  I think the limit of 512^H^H^H2048 start menu items that can be searched is more ridiculous, not sure if they fully fixed that yet. All too easy to hit with programs that install a dozen entries.

cm2187 11y ago

And it also comes with lots of bloatware. What annoys me is that they all are set up with firewall rules that enable them to do pretty much what they want. As for the get skype! Get onedrive! Get office! nagging bloatware, now even building your computer makes you feel you purchased a cheap laptop at walmart/tesco...

wnevets 11y ago

> Win10 has the old start menu back. I couldn't get it working like windows 7. It looked like a lazy attempt to create this talking point about windows 10.