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Let artificial intelligence guess your attractiveness and age

139 points by mkuhn 11y ago

danso 11y ago
Obligatory..."what's new?" Especially now that the site's down. I mean, is it different from Project Oxford, the Microsoft API that's been around for awhile and is still quite amazing? https://www.projectoxford.ai/demo/vision#Analysis https://www.projectoxford.ai/demo/vision#Analysis I actually tried it out early this morning, to compare it with a stock install of OpenCV 3. It got the faces correct, and the ages very well too. Here are its guesses for the Star Wars TFA poster: http://imgur.com/XT7RmX6 http://imgur.com/XT7RmX6 Of course, perhaps users have trained it...particularly ones sympathetic to Carrie Fisher. Though I'd argue that they would've also corrected Boyega's face.
- philippeback 11y ago
  Oxford is cool indeed.
- aidenn0 11y ago
  I think it's just that there is so little of Fisher's face visible. I couldn't even tell who that was until I read your full comment.
- drpgq 11y ago
  Actually age isn't new at all. NIST ran an age estimation test before Microsoft's API. I worked on Cognitec's algorithm. http://www.nist.gov/itl/iad/ig/frvt-2013.cfm http://www.nist.gov/itl/iad/ig/frvt-2013.cfm
- stephaniepier 11y ago
  Oh dear - just put my own picture into that and it guessed I was 34 and my fiance 38...we're 25 and 26. Edit - tried a different pic, it guessed my fiance was 51.
  - danso 11y ago
    Well c'mon, have you really double checked? ;) Lighting obviously plays an effect, but I was pretty surprised at how it got TFA's Han Solo down decently well. In the poster, he looks more in his 50s. Lighting obviously plays a part. I wonder if race does as well? To use the common stereotype, does the algorithm make a guess if you're Asian, then guess downwards?
- throwupper247 11y ago
  the flag for "Adult Content" reminds me of anecdotes about mechanical turk workers standing in to keep uploads child friendly, now mixed with Age Identification this gets a new perspective. Is this in active use somewhere?
rubyfan 11y ago
Startup idea #384826 - "Does this outfit make me look fat?" As A Service
- kolbe 11y ago
  i want to invest.
- dpflan 11y ago
  I thought that was a use-case for the crowd-sourced opinion service Thumb. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/opinionaided#/entity https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/opinionaided#/entity http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/26/thumb-social-polling-app-merges-with-ypulse-research-firm-rolls-out-thumb-pro-for-brands/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/26/thumb-social-polling-app-me...
- spyspy 11y ago
  Have it always says yes and then throw up an ad for FitBit. We're going to be rich.
  - samstave 11y ago
    "Free week at 24 Hour Fitness!" coupons!
- colmvp 11y ago
  I actually thought an interesting idea is an app that recommends you which dating site to use based on your face. If you're good looking you can pretty much use whatever. But for someone like myself who is ethnic and not visually attractive, my success rate is really low on certain sites and acceptable on certain apps. For example, my performance on Match (Graphic I made: http://i.imgur.com/UZuSzD9.png http://i.imgur.com/UZuSzD9.png) was pretty woeful in December. But I started using another app in the same week and had much higher success in getting responses relative to effort level.
  - danielvinson 11y ago
    I'm curious what worked for you, and if you have any similar data for other sites? Explaining cultural differences between dating sites/apps is something that I've tried to do multiple times, but I've never had any data to support my hypothesis.
iLoch 11y ago
So this was getting slammed by reddit, and you decided to post it here as well? These poor developers.
_asdf_asdf 11y ago
It no worky?
dpflan 11y ago
So this is the next more computationally intense evolution of "Hot or Not"?
- sharemywin 11y ago
  crowd sourcing is out and AI is in...
  - mkuhn 11y ago
    Today you use the crowd to train an AI...
    - visarga 11y ago
      I'd still rely on crowds directly rather than AI. I don't think AI is as accurate. You can post your photos on OkCupid and a crowd of people will rate them and help you select the best. Of course, you pay for this service by rating pictures of strangers.
thegayngler 11y ago
Well that made me feel good. I'm way older than they suggested.
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rrothe 11y ago
Hi, I'm Rasmus and worked on the algorithms behind faces.ethz.ch. If you have any technical questions, let me know! Sorry for having some stability issues, we got much more traffic than expected and are currently working hard to fix everything!
- frik 11y ago
  Your website is offline, do you have a paper about your technology?
  - mkuhn 11y ago
    It is back right now and they list the research.
- sawwit 11y ago
  From a data privacy point of view I would very much appreciate if you added a prominent "delete upload" button to the result page.
  - rndmind 11y ago
    Yes a "delete" button would nice.
    - rrothe 11y ago
      We do not store any photo on the server, so no worries!
      - tlrobinson 11y ago
        Well, you could still add a delete button to make people feel better (I'm only half joking)
        TeMPOraL 11y ago
        And as a potential user I'm only half-insulted. But seriously, what purpose would it serve over a promise in TOS? A normal user will trust both (except the button would be bullshitting them). A privacy-obsessed one will trust neither.
madaxe_again 11y ago
I'm "hmmm" and 55, apparently. "Hmmm" I'll agree with, but I'm 32!
amelius 11y ago
Is this a test for my attractiveness or for the AI?
colmvp 11y ago
Plus: The algorithm thought I was 24 years old. I'm actually 32. Minus: I got the lowest rating possible. Haha, terribly depressing feedback before a date.
- nilkn 11y ago
  Don't feel too bad -- I ran a photo of Brad Pitt through it and he merely got a "Nice". Granted, I tried a second one and he got "Godlike". I wonder how sensitive the results are to general lighting in the photo.
  - madaxe_again 11y ago
    I ran lichtenstein's m-m-maybe, and it returned stunning, and 26, which is probably about right, even if it's a copy of a comic.
  - colmvp 11y ago
    I think ethnicity does play some role too (which maybe works with the lighting hypothesis?). I put pictures of really attractive Asian guys (specifically men who honestly have a lot of diehard female fans who are interested in them) and at best they got "Nice"
    - analyst74 11y ago
      This is actually a very interesting effect -- it exposes opinions people are generally not comfortable at expressing, for fear of being labeled as racist or something. Sadly, asian guys are considered much less attractive than our female counterparts in Switzerland. On a more positive note, now I know if a swiss girl likes me, she's probably not superficial. lol
  - madaxe_again 11y ago
    Experimented more - it appears to be strongly influenced by facial expression. If I have a straight face, I'm hmm or OK. If I scowl, I'm nice. If I grin like an axe-wielding maniac, I'm stunning. Then again, that bears up in reality. People who smile are perceived as more attractive.
redwards510 11y ago
It said I am 36 and I am 37. I am impressed (and Hot(tm))! However, it guessed a coworker was 34/Ummm and she is in her 50s. I am conflicted about telling her the results.
tapia 11y ago
Wow! It missed my age for only 1 year (on the good side :P)!!
rootedbox 11y ago
this cat is 31 and is hot https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/50837/483192/6wPBVOvlgmAIu7e/upload.png https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/50837/483192/6w...
- cobalt 11y ago
  well, is it wrong...?
  - qbrass 11y ago
    31 cat years is like 3 or 4 human years so it's probably close. The real question is how old and hot is that popcorn?
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- nogbit 11y ago
  I'm sure their algo writers are looking for new work now lol
- timofter 11y ago
  The first processing step consist from (human) face detection. We use the standard OpenCV for our faces.ethz.ch demonstrator. A failure of this step is likely to propagate in the unreliable/wrong attractiveness prediction. For attractiveness, age, and gender prediction we start from a cropped image assumed to contain a (roughly aligned) face as found by the detector. I hope that this helps to understand the aforementioned result.
sethbannon 11y ago
This would make a great psychology experiment. Use an algorithm to detect someone's age, then randomly assign them an attractiveness score and see how their behavior differs based on the result. How does the random attractiveness result effect how likely they are to share their score? To retake the test? Does this vary based on the users age?
- timofter 11y ago
  Hi sethbannon, I am Radu, one of the authors. We thought at similar experiments, however psychology is not our expertise. If you check our paper on hotness/attractiveness (http://www.vision.ee.ethz.ch/~timofter/publications/Rothe-arXiv-2015.pdf http://www.vision.ee.ethz.ch/~timofter/publications/Rothe-ar...), I am sure that you'll find some interesting results on how different age-grouped people rate, a paradox, and more. And yes, there are many interesting experiments to do and questions to answer.
chrisdevereux 11y ago
Very brave of you to put the founder photos on the front page...
- nmstoker 11y ago
  You've got to admire their honesty for not putting an image matching algorithm in to automatically say the founders are hot! https://goo.gl/photos/jv82LHNQKxrt1Ce88 https://goo.gl/photos/jv82LHNQKxrt1Ce88
  - chrisdevereux 11y ago
    I wonder if they were included in the training set...
acconrad 11y ago
Does anyone else find it funny that the photo of Jesus didn't rank as Godlike?
- thomasahle 11y ago
  Can't have been what the painter was going for...
- glibgil 11y ago
  A photo of Jesus! Is it a daguerreotype?
microcolonel 11y ago
I think this thing is all over the place. http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=97312 http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=97312 Off by almost a decade on age.
kelvin0 11y ago
Finally, it's good to see we are using that AI research for the advancement of mankind. If anything this will help procreation?
dholowiski 11y ago
Well, it was way off on my age, but it correctly gendered me ad female. Which I find quite impressive as I am a transgender woman, I've only been on hormones for 4 months, and most humans aren't even correctly gendering in me yet. More than anything, I'm curious to know what features it was that registered me as female. Was it as simple as the long hair, or some complicated subtle mix of many small details?
- Houshalter 11y ago
  Guessing gender is at worst 50% chance of getting it right. And long hair is one of the big features these algorithms learn.
- tomp 11y ago
  How do you know it isn't guessing sex instead of gender (and hence it "sexed" you wrongly)?
- such_a_casual 11y ago
  > most humans aren't even correctly gendering in me yet This made me laugh really hard. What a positive twist on the fact that the algorithm is clearly a WIP.
- amyjess 11y ago
  I've been on hormones for a little over two years now. Submitted several pictures from the last few months: it's consistently gendering me female (yay!) and a decade younger than I actually am (yay!), but it's saying that I'm ice cold "Hmm" (aw...). What direction was it off on your age? I'm 31 (30 in the older pictures I sent), and it said I was 19-22 in all the pictures I tried.
shouldbelinear 11y ago
I put Mona Lisa and she is second lowest rating. I mean, this is next door to random generator.
- sawwit 11y ago
  It possibly associates the painting texture with poor skin health.
sarciszewski 11y ago
http://i.imgur.com/Lq648My.png http://i.imgur.com/Lq648My.png Well, there goes my last ounce of self esteem. If anyone needs me I'll be sitting in the corner with one of those criminal hacker ski masks while I work on open source stuff.
- minionslave 11y ago
  Get rid of the headphones and try again
  - sarciszewski 11y ago
    At the time that picture was taken, I didn't own speakers. Now, I look even worse and don't own a working webcam.
    - throwaway34382 11y ago
      How can you look even worse? That picture is terrible, a 1 or a 2 out of 10. Anyway here's a plan for you: Plan A) if you have any amount of disposible income (more than $0): - spend 15 minutes reading about beginning to lift weights if you've never lifted a weight in your life - go to the gym once (ever) i.e. on a day pass. This plan I've listed takes 90 minutes if you start right now - as in 90 minutes from now you can be back home - and is 97% of what it takes to spend 20 minutes in a gym once or twice per week. if you've found a gym in your area and have tried it out, you're 97% of the way there. For a man, it takes basically no time whatsoever to become fit, it's literally a matter of reading about it and going there, figuring out that gyms exist. In terms of time commitment it is basically zero - in fact, because you have more energy and get things done when you're back, it's negative time commitment. You have more time in your life if you go to the gym than if you don't. Try it out and then sign up if it works. you can be back home within two hours. Plan B) since you mention not owning speakers and not owning a working webcam, perhaps you have $0 disposible income. - In this case begin each day with a gradually increasing number of pushups, situps, and you can do these kind of dips - https://www.google.com/search?q=chair+dip https://www.google.com/search?q=chair+dip (I've listed three exercises.) Just make it part of your day. You won't become very buff, because all of the mentioned exercises have high mechanical advantage: the reason plan A mentions the gym is because you won't find heavy weights at home and shouldn't bother trying. Home exercises aren't great. they'll get you into basic form though. Like plan A, plan B also takes negative time (you have more time in the day - because you'll be pumped and ready to get things done - than if you didn't do it), and in terms of wall time takes maybe 90 seconds. Do it right when you wake up. Finally, if you ever have 4 weeks where you can look scruffy and homeless, as a project you can grow a beard (simply stop shaving, and see what happens after 4 weeks), and then go to a proper barber shop to have them trim and style it for you, tell them you're good with any style and have grown a beard for the first time ever, that they should pick one for you. This will add +3 points to your look (out of 10). Don't try to pick your own style, discuss it with the barber, and those four weeks are pretty brutal, you won't like it, but there's no way to know what if any kind of facial hair you can have. Not shaving every morning takes an additional -3 minutes of your life, and this time both in wall time and projects. Going to the barber takes 30 minutes, so the net time commitment is -3 minutes times 21 days = -63 minutes and 30 minutes to find and go to a barber for their styling shave. so this, too, takes a negative amount of time. the only people who aren't able to accept negative time for free are those who have passed away and are no longer with us. live while you can.
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Houshalter 11y ago
A lot of the sample photos look like they have had filters put on them. One of the things that karpathy found was that convnets were bad at images with filters. Anyway I only got "connection error".
peter303 11y ago
Reminds of the those State fair booths where the guy tries to guess your age. http://blog.syracuse.com/cny/2013/08/your_age_weight_and_birth_month_are_fair_game_for_the_guesser_at_the_new_york_state_fair.html http://blog.syracuse.com/cny/2013/08/your_age_weight_and_bir...
pmelendez 11y ago
Did we break it? I can't upload pictures anymore.
JimboOmega 11y ago
As someone who switches genders I find that it guesses my trans flavor right fairly often - maybe 75% of the time. It always gets my cis flavor right. Also, the ones it rates the least attractive it, for some reason, tends to identify me as much younger (across both genders). Like more than a decade younger than the picture, and it'll rate it "Hmm..." As for the highest rated pictures... I can't figure out what it does; though one where someone else did my makeup and it was perfect was among the two it rated stunning. I was surprised that the ones I tried to feed it where my phone's "Beauty face" kicked in (which removes most wrinkles and skin flaws) didn't seem to rate any higher... though makeup did make a difference. A fun little toy. Edit: Oh, and other than occasionally docking me a decade as mentioned, it was pretty accurate on age (+-3 years, generally). Which I find interesting as I'm frequently told I look younger than I am.
- asasasasasasa 11y ago
  kill yourself
- amyjess 11y ago
  31-year-old trans MTF here... uploaded my most recent picture, and it said I was 20, female, and ice cold "Hmm...". Uploaded a picture from about a month ago... same, except it said I was 19. Well, I'm flattered it thinks I can't drink, and I'm glad I pass. Too bad it doesn't think I'm hot, but I've always preferred to go for cute over hot anyway. I'm gonna dig through my photos and see how consistent this is... (edit: a couple more, 21-22, female, and still ice cold)
  - JimboOmega 11y ago
    As an example (both me, and I'm in my early 30s): 24, "Hmm...": http://imgur.com/V1AMDfd http://imgur.com/V1AMDfd 27, "Stunning": http://imgur.com/bmmJ2dg http://imgur.com/bmmJ2dg I'm actually a year younger in the second picture than the first. Maybe it's the glasses?
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m-i-l 11y ago
See also "What a Deep Neural Network thinks about your #selfie" at http://karpathy.github.io/2015/10/25/selfie/ http://karpathy.github.io/2015/10/25/selfie/ . To summarise the "What makes a good #selfie" section: - Be female. - Face should occupy about 1/3 of the image. - Cut off your forehead. - Show your long hair. - Oversaturate the face. - Put a filter on it. - Add a border.
- dghughes 11y ago
  In a mirror in the bathroom or pointing down at you from above your head at an awkward angle, and duckface lots of duckface.
nikolay 11y ago
A side question: Is there a service/project that can identify features of a person by feeding it various photos of that person? Examples: - body type - piercing - tattoos - eyeglasses - colored hair - etc.
Dr_tldr 11y ago
When I put a picture of myself that had the contrast turned up my picture was rated "godlike", when I put in the original picture it was rated "hot", and when I turned down the contrast some it was rated "ok." I'm an unhealthy, almost pasty shade of white with a slightly bulbous nose and a classic fivehead. Now, this a problem for bigger reasons: An older picture of Denzel Washington gets an ok: http://imgur.com/Li0gZqH http://imgur.com/Li0gZqH A recent picture of Howard Stern gets a hot: http://imgur.com/L8hxoVK http://imgur.com/L8hxoVK Obviously this is just a toy and your algorithm is pretty inexact, but... you need to fix it, or at least note in giant letters that it only works for white people right now and that you're working on your algorithm to make it more universal. Because it only (kinda, sorta?) works for white people right now. If you claim something is universal in your headline then note its specificity in the fine print, you're lying. If you build an algorithm that calls most people who aren't white ugly, you need to think about the buzz-to-backlash factor of demoing it. It's really not a good look, and you've got a week at most before you get called a "Nazi Dating App" on twitter and your potential VCs get spooked and pull out. I don't think it's intentional on your part, but literally no one cares about what your intentions are when there's an opportunity to create moral indignation clickbait. Just a friendly word of warning!
- verroq 11y ago
  If people are not mature enough to understand that a machine learning algorithm cannot be racist, shouldn't you go educate them instead of telling people not to offend these idiots? Secondly what makes you think that every race is equally attractive universally? Studies have people find people of their own race more attractive. If whites are more attractive (either by their training set or user base ratings) doesn't that merely reflect the composition of their user base?
  - Dr_tldr 11y ago
    You have very poor reading comprehension skills, or else you appended your comment to the wrong post. Almost no part of what you're saying corresponds to anything that I said. PS: Giving some solid advice to public-facing startups looking for funding. Definitely take the autistic high-ground on every issue. Investors don't care about bad PR, they only care about abstract principles of truth as you understand them.
tsumnia 11y ago
Oh hey, I worked on something similar two years ago: http://www.FaceMyAge.com http://www.FaceMyAge.com (note, the age estimator has been taken offline - because, 2 years ago). A lot of the issues our estimator (just an age estimator) ran into were the standard face recognition problems: occlusion, lighting, and (the obvious) bogus images. Anyone involved, what data set was the attractiveness scale built from(Labelled Faces in the Wild Dataset (http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/) http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/))?
- timofter 11y ago
  Hi tsumnia, I am Radu, one of the authors. After 2 years we face almost the same issues, but probably we cope differently with them. Note that our solutions are fully described in the two papers mentioned on our faces.ethz.ch page. For attractiveness we used data from Blinq. Our apparent age estimation solution is the winner of the latest LAP challenge, ICCV 2015.
baltcode 11y ago
popup says: Sorry, we're currently under heavy load and can't handle your hotness. Please try again later.
Zekio 11y ago
It was only off by 1 year on my age, and apparently my own opinion is the same as it's opinion ha ha which isn't very good ha ha
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CrowFly 11y ago
I uploaded a photo of my (male) personal trainer. It got it exactly right. Age 26 and "stunning."
AnimalMuppet 11y ago
And why, exactly, am I supposed to care about how attractive an AI thinks I am?
totony 11y ago
I didn't know I was a girl until now!
Madmallard 11y ago
It says I'm either stunning or hot in the 4 photos I tried. Is that real? I don't really get oogled by women or anything like that. http://imgur.com/Td11aoI http://imgur.com/Td11aoI Yeah this site is bogus. So many inconsistent ratings.
- bcook 11y ago
  Humans are inconsistent as well. We also use attributes beyond looks. Anyone tried a picture with larged amounts of cash in the background?
nnoitra 11y ago
It's not a lot more precise than randomly guessing. Check this album out: http://imgur.com/a/1a1tn http://imgur.com/a/1a1tn Seems racist and sexist towards men.
- timofter 11y ago
  Please check our research papers linked on the webpage. Our data consists only from normal (or natural looking) face images in the wild (from IMDB, Wiki, and/or BLINQ user profiles). On such data we get very good apparent age prediction (better than the human reference) and also very good gender and attractiveness prediction. The attractiveness is highly subjective and its perception varies from one culture/region to another. We used data from Switzerland. Our solutions are far from being perfect and the guessed results should not be taken too seriously. We consider to update our models to explicitly deal with distortions and non-human face contents.
tripity 11y ago
A service that upvotes average to below average white people and downvotes average to above average people of color. Is someone anticipating a decline in the international value of Whiteness?
the-13-doctor 11y ago
To be honest this thing seems to be most attuned to Euro centric features.
freddealmeida 11y ago
This fails for Asian faces. Tested it on a picture of Bing Bing (Chinese Actress) that is absolutely stunning. She got a "Nice" rating. This is a toy. Check out how Sensetime did a similar feature.
- nice_byte 11y ago
  They said it themselves - "Our algorithm is trained on the pictures of the BLINQ community that is mainly based in Switzerland. In other parts of the world the perception might be very different."
phlandis 11y ago
Your AI is impressive. Its ability to guess age was on the mark within a year or two on all of my tests. I am a not very well known male model and scored in the hot to godlike range with a mode of stunning. When I tested the AI on top male models in the industry I got consistent godlike and stunning ratings. The one problem with the AI could be the sensitivity to after editing. I am now sure how one would get past this issue.
Jess_the_best 11y ago
looks fun
hazelhandanza 11y ago
I have a heart shaped face, a slight hawk nose, green eyes, golden hair, freckles on my cheeks, I have light skin, my forehead is an average length, my eyebrows are medium sized, and my teeth are straight

139 points by mkuhn 11y ago

danso 11y ago

Obligatory..."what's new?" Especially now that the site's down. I mean, is it different from Project Oxford, the Microsoft API that's been around for awhile and is still quite amazing? https://www.projectoxford.ai/demo/vision#Analysis https://www.projectoxford.ai/demo/vision#Analysis I actually tried it out early this morning, to compare it with a stock install of OpenCV 3. It got the faces correct, and the ages very well too. Here are its guesses for the Star Wars TFA poster: http://imgur.com/XT7RmX6 http://imgur.com/XT7RmX6 Of course, perhaps users have trained it...particularly ones sympathetic to Carrie Fisher. Though I'd argue that they would've also corrected Boyega's face.

philippeback 11y ago
Oxford is cool indeed.
aidenn0 11y ago
I think it's just that there is so little of Fisher's face visible. I couldn't even tell who that was until I read your full comment.
drpgq 11y ago
Actually age isn't new at all. NIST ran an age estimation test before Microsoft's API. I worked on Cognitec's algorithm. http://www.nist.gov/itl/iad/ig/frvt-2013.cfm http://www.nist.gov/itl/iad/ig/frvt-2013.cfm
stephaniepier 11y ago
Oh dear - just put my own picture into that and it guessed I was 34 and my fiance 38...we're 25 and 26. Edit - tried a different pic, it guessed my fiance was 51.
- danso 11y ago
  Well c'mon, have you really double checked? ;) Lighting obviously plays an effect, but I was pretty surprised at how it got TFA's Han Solo down decently well. In the poster, he looks more in his 50s. Lighting obviously plays a part. I wonder if race does as well? To use the common stereotype, does the algorithm make a guess if you're Asian, then guess downwards?
throwupper247 11y ago
the flag for "Adult Content" reminds me of anecdotes about mechanical turk workers standing in to keep uploads child friendly, now mixed with Age Identification this gets a new perspective. Is this in active use somewhere?

rubyfan 11y ago

Startup idea #384826 - "Does this outfit make me look fat?" As A Service

kolbe 11y ago
i want to invest.
dpflan 11y ago
I thought that was a use-case for the crowd-sourced opinion service Thumb. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/opinionaided#/entity https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/opinionaided#/entity http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/26/thumb-social-polling-app-merges-with-ypulse-research-firm-rolls-out-thumb-pro-for-brands/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/26/thumb-social-polling-app-me...
spyspy 11y ago
Have it always says yes and then throw up an ad for FitBit. We're going to be rich.
- samstave 11y ago
  "Free week at 24 Hour Fitness!" coupons!
colmvp 11y ago
I actually thought an interesting idea is an app that recommends you which dating site to use based on your face. If you're good looking you can pretty much use whatever. But for someone like myself who is ethnic and not visually attractive, my success rate is really low on certain sites and acceptable on certain apps. For example, my performance on Match (Graphic I made: http://i.imgur.com/UZuSzD9.png http://i.imgur.com/UZuSzD9.png) was pretty woeful in December. But I started using another app in the same week and had much higher success in getting responses relative to effort level.
- danielvinson 11y ago
  I'm curious what worked for you, and if you have any similar data for other sites? Explaining cultural differences between dating sites/apps is something that I've tried to do multiple times, but I've never had any data to support my hypothesis.

iLoch 11y ago

So this was getting slammed by reddit, and you decided to post it here as well? These poor developers.

_asdf_asdf 11y ago

It no worky?

dpflan 11y ago

So this is the next more computationally intense evolution of "Hot or Not"?

sharemywin 11y ago
crowd sourcing is out and AI is in...
- mkuhn 11y ago
  Today you use the crowd to train an AI...
  - visarga 11y ago
    I'd still rely on crowds directly rather than AI. I don't think AI is as accurate. You can post your photos on OkCupid and a crowd of people will rate them and help you select the best. Of course, you pay for this service by rating pictures of strangers.

thegayngler 11y ago

Well that made me feel good. I'm way older than they suggested.

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rrothe 11y ago

Hi, I'm Rasmus and worked on the algorithms behind faces.ethz.ch. If you have any technical questions, let me know! Sorry for having some stability issues, we got much more traffic than expected and are currently working hard to fix everything!

frik 11y ago
Your website is offline, do you have a paper about your technology?
- mkuhn 11y ago
  It is back right now and they list the research.
sawwit 11y ago
From a data privacy point of view I would very much appreciate if you added a prominent "delete upload" button to the result page.
- rndmind 11y ago
  Yes a "delete" button would nice.
  - rrothe 11y ago
    We do not store any photo on the server, so no worries!
    - tlrobinson 11y ago
      Well, you could still add a delete button to make people feel better (I'm only half joking)
      - TeMPOraL 11y ago
        And as a potential user I'm only half-insulted. But seriously, what purpose would it serve over a promise in TOS? A normal user will trust both (except the button would be bullshitting them). A privacy-obsessed one will trust neither.

madaxe_again 11y ago

I'm "hmmm" and 55, apparently. "Hmmm" I'll agree with, but I'm 32!

amelius 11y ago

Is this a test for my attractiveness or for the AI?

colmvp 11y ago

Plus: The algorithm thought I was 24 years old. I'm actually 32. Minus: I got the lowest rating possible. Haha, terribly depressing feedback before a date.

nilkn 11y ago
Don't feel too bad -- I ran a photo of Brad Pitt through it and he merely got a "Nice". Granted, I tried a second one and he got "Godlike". I wonder how sensitive the results are to general lighting in the photo.
- madaxe_again 11y ago
  I ran lichtenstein's m-m-maybe, and it returned stunning, and 26, which is probably about right, even if it's a copy of a comic.
- colmvp 11y ago
  I think ethnicity does play some role too (which maybe works with the lighting hypothesis?). I put pictures of really attractive Asian guys (specifically men who honestly have a lot of diehard female fans who are interested in them) and at best they got "Nice"
  - analyst74 11y ago
    This is actually a very interesting effect -- it exposes opinions people are generally not comfortable at expressing, for fear of being labeled as racist or something. Sadly, asian guys are considered much less attractive than our female counterparts in Switzerland. On a more positive note, now I know if a swiss girl likes me, she's probably not superficial. lol
- madaxe_again 11y ago
  Experimented more - it appears to be strongly influenced by facial expression. If I have a straight face, I'm hmm or OK. If I scowl, I'm nice. If I grin like an axe-wielding maniac, I'm stunning. Then again, that bears up in reality. People who smile are perceived as more attractive.

redwards510 11y ago

It said I am 36 and I am 37. I am impressed (and Hot(tm))! However, it guessed a coworker was 34/Ummm and she is in her 50s. I am conflicted about telling her the results.

tapia 11y ago

Wow! It missed my age for only 1 year (on the good side :P)!!

rootedbox 11y ago

this cat is 31 and is hot https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/50837/483192/6wPBVOvlgmAIu7e/upload.png https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/50837/483192/6w...

cobalt 11y ago
well, is it wrong...?
- qbrass 11y ago
  31 cat years is like 3 or 4 human years so it's probably close. The real question is how old and hot is that popcorn?
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nogbit 11y ago
I'm sure their algo writers are looking for new work now lol
timofter 11y ago
The first processing step consist from (human) face detection. We use the standard OpenCV for our faces.ethz.ch demonstrator. A failure of this step is likely to propagate in the unreliable/wrong attractiveness prediction. For attractiveness, age, and gender prediction we start from a cropped image assumed to contain a (roughly aligned) face as found by the detector. I hope that this helps to understand the aforementioned result.

sethbannon 11y ago

This would make a great psychology experiment. Use an algorithm to detect someone's age, then randomly assign them an attractiveness score and see how their behavior differs based on the result. How does the random attractiveness result effect how likely they are to share their score? To retake the test? Does this vary based on the users age?

timofter 11y ago
Hi sethbannon, I am Radu, one of the authors. We thought at similar experiments, however psychology is not our expertise. If you check our paper on hotness/attractiveness (http://www.vision.ee.ethz.ch/~timofter/publications/Rothe-arXiv-2015.pdf http://www.vision.ee.ethz.ch/~timofter/publications/Rothe-ar...), I am sure that you'll find some interesting results on how different age-grouped people rate, a paradox, and more. And yes, there are many interesting experiments to do and questions to answer.

chrisdevereux 11y ago

Very brave of you to put the founder photos on the front page...

nmstoker 11y ago
You've got to admire their honesty for not putting an image matching algorithm in to automatically say the founders are hot! https://goo.gl/photos/jv82LHNQKxrt1Ce88 https://goo.gl/photos/jv82LHNQKxrt1Ce88
- chrisdevereux 11y ago
  I wonder if they were included in the training set...

acconrad 11y ago

Does anyone else find it funny that the photo of Jesus didn't rank as Godlike?

thomasahle 11y ago
Can't have been what the painter was going for...
glibgil 11y ago
A photo of Jesus! Is it a daguerreotype?

microcolonel 11y ago

I think this thing is all over the place. http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=97312 http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=97312 Off by almost a decade on age.

kelvin0 11y ago

Finally, it's good to see we are using that AI research for the advancement of mankind. If anything this will help procreation?

dholowiski 11y ago

Well, it was way off on my age, but it correctly gendered me ad female. Which I find quite impressive as I am a transgender woman, I've only been on hormones for 4 months, and most humans aren't even correctly gendering in me yet. More than anything, I'm curious to know what features it was that registered me as female. Was it as simple as the long hair, or some complicated subtle mix of many small details?

Houshalter 11y ago
Guessing gender is at worst 50% chance of getting it right. And long hair is one of the big features these algorithms learn.
tomp 11y ago
How do you know it isn't guessing sex instead of gender (and hence it "sexed" you wrongly)?
such_a_casual 11y ago
> most humans aren't even correctly gendering in me yet This made me laugh really hard. What a positive twist on the fact that the algorithm is clearly a WIP.
amyjess 11y ago
I've been on hormones for a little over two years now. Submitted several pictures from the last few months: it's consistently gendering me female (yay!) and a decade younger than I actually am (yay!), but it's saying that I'm ice cold "Hmm" (aw...). What direction was it off on your age? I'm 31 (30 in the older pictures I sent), and it said I was 19-22 in all the pictures I tried.

shouldbelinear 11y ago

I put Mona Lisa and she is second lowest rating. I mean, this is next door to random generator.

sawwit 11y ago
It possibly associates the painting texture with poor skin health.

sarciszewski 11y ago

http://i.imgur.com/Lq648My.png http://i.imgur.com/Lq648My.png Well, there goes my last ounce of self esteem. If anyone needs me I'll be sitting in the corner with one of those criminal hacker ski masks while I work on open source stuff.

minionslave 11y ago
Get rid of the headphones and try again
- sarciszewski 11y ago
  At the time that picture was taken, I didn't own speakers. Now, I look even worse and don't own a working webcam.
  - throwaway34382 11y ago
    How can you look even worse? That picture is terrible, a 1 or a 2 out of 10. Anyway here's a plan for you: Plan A) if you have any amount of disposible income (more than $0): - spend 15 minutes reading about beginning to lift weights if you've never lifted a weight in your life - go to the gym once (ever) i.e. on a day pass. This plan I've listed takes 90 minutes if you start right now - as in 90 minutes from now you can be back home - and is 97% of what it takes to spend 20 minutes in a gym once or twice per week. if you've found a gym in your area and have tried it out, you're 97% of the way there. For a man, it takes basically no time whatsoever to become fit, it's literally a matter of reading about it and going there, figuring out that gyms exist. In terms of time commitment it is basically zero - in fact, because you have more energy and get things done when you're back, it's negative time commitment. You have more time in your life if you go to the gym than if you don't. Try it out and then sign up if it works. you can be back home within two hours. Plan B) since you mention not owning speakers and not owning a working webcam, perhaps you have $0 disposible income. - In this case begin each day with a gradually increasing number of pushups, situps, and you can do these kind of dips - https://www.google.com/search?q=chair+dip https://www.google.com/search?q=chair+dip (I've listed three exercises.) Just make it part of your day. You won't become very buff, because all of the mentioned exercises have high mechanical advantage: the reason plan A mentions the gym is because you won't find heavy weights at home and shouldn't bother trying. Home exercises aren't great. they'll get you into basic form though. Like plan A, plan B also takes negative time (you have more time in the day - because you'll be pumped and ready to get things done - than if you didn't do it), and in terms of wall time takes maybe 90 seconds. Do it right when you wake up. Finally, if you ever have 4 weeks where you can look scruffy and homeless, as a project you can grow a beard (simply stop shaving, and see what happens after 4 weeks), and then go to a proper barber shop to have them trim and style it for you, tell them you're good with any style and have grown a beard for the first time ever, that they should pick one for you. This will add +3 points to your look (out of 10). Don't try to pick your own style, discuss it with the barber, and those four weeks are pretty brutal, you won't like it, but there's no way to know what if any kind of facial hair you can have. Not shaving every morning takes an additional -3 minutes of your life, and this time both in wall time and projects. Going to the barber takes 30 minutes, so the net time commitment is -3 minutes times 21 days = -63 minutes and 30 minutes to find and go to a barber for their styling shave. so this, too, takes a negative amount of time. the only people who aren't able to accept negative time for free are those who have passed away and are no longer with us. live while you can.

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Houshalter 11y ago

A lot of the sample photos look like they have had filters put on them. One of the things that karpathy found was that convnets were bad at images with filters. Anyway I only got "connection error".

peter303 11y ago

Reminds of the those State fair booths where the guy tries to guess your age. http://blog.syracuse.com/cny/2013/08/your_age_weight_and_birth_month_are_fair_game_for_the_guesser_at_the_new_york_state_fair.html http://blog.syracuse.com/cny/2013/08/your_age_weight_and_bir...

pmelendez 11y ago

Did we break it? I can't upload pictures anymore.

JimboOmega 11y ago

As someone who switches genders I find that it guesses my trans flavor right fairly often - maybe 75% of the time. It always gets my cis flavor right. Also, the ones it rates the least attractive it, for some reason, tends to identify me as much younger (across both genders). Like more than a decade younger than the picture, and it'll rate it "Hmm..." As for the highest rated pictures... I can't figure out what it does; though one where someone else did my makeup and it was perfect was among the two it rated stunning. I was surprised that the ones I tried to feed it where my phone's "Beauty face" kicked in (which removes most wrinkles and skin flaws) didn't seem to rate any higher... though makeup did make a difference. A fun little toy. Edit: Oh, and other than occasionally docking me a decade as mentioned, it was pretty accurate on age (+-3 years, generally). Which I find interesting as I'm frequently told I look younger than I am.

asasasasasasa 11y ago
kill yourself
amyjess 11y ago
31-year-old trans MTF here... uploaded my most recent picture, and it said I was 20, female, and ice cold "Hmm...". Uploaded a picture from about a month ago... same, except it said I was 19. Well, I'm flattered it thinks I can't drink, and I'm glad I pass. Too bad it doesn't think I'm hot, but I've always preferred to go for cute over hot anyway. I'm gonna dig through my photos and see how consistent this is... (edit: a couple more, 21-22, female, and still ice cold)
- JimboOmega 11y ago
  As an example (both me, and I'm in my early 30s): 24, "Hmm...": http://imgur.com/V1AMDfd http://imgur.com/V1AMDfd 27, "Stunning": http://imgur.com/bmmJ2dg http://imgur.com/bmmJ2dg I'm actually a year younger in the second picture than the first. Maybe it's the glasses?
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m-i-l 11y ago

See also "What a Deep Neural Network thinks about your #selfie" at http://karpathy.github.io/2015/10/25/selfie/ http://karpathy.github.io/2015/10/25/selfie/ . To summarise the "What makes a good #selfie" section: - Be female. - Face should occupy about 1/3 of the image. - Cut off your forehead. - Show your long hair. - Oversaturate the face. - Put a filter on it. - Add a border.

dghughes 11y ago
In a mirror in the bathroom or pointing down at you from above your head at an awkward angle, and duckface lots of duckface.

nikolay 11y ago

A side question: Is there a service/project that can identify features of a person by feeding it various photos of that person? Examples: - body type - piercing - tattoos - eyeglasses - colored hair - etc.

Dr_tldr 11y ago

When I put a picture of myself that had the contrast turned up my picture was rated "godlike", when I put in the original picture it was rated "hot", and when I turned down the contrast some it was rated "ok." I'm an unhealthy, almost pasty shade of white with a slightly bulbous nose and a classic fivehead. Now, this a problem for bigger reasons: An older picture of Denzel Washington gets an ok: http://imgur.com/Li0gZqH http://imgur.com/Li0gZqH A recent picture of Howard Stern gets a hot: http://imgur.com/L8hxoVK http://imgur.com/L8hxoVK Obviously this is just a toy and your algorithm is pretty inexact, but... you need to fix it, or at least note in giant letters that it only works for white people right now and that you're working on your algorithm to make it more universal. Because it only (kinda, sorta?) works for white people right now. If you claim something is universal in your headline then note its specificity in the fine print, you're lying. If you build an algorithm that calls most people who aren't white ugly, you need to think about the buzz-to-backlash factor of demoing it. It's really not a good look, and you've got a week at most before you get called a "Nazi Dating App" on twitter and your potential VCs get spooked and pull out. I don't think it's intentional on your part, but literally no one cares about what your intentions are when there's an opportunity to create moral indignation clickbait. Just a friendly word of warning!

verroq 11y ago
If people are not mature enough to understand that a machine learning algorithm cannot be racist, shouldn't you go educate them instead of telling people not to offend these idiots? Secondly what makes you think that every race is equally attractive universally? Studies have people find people of their own race more attractive. If whites are more attractive (either by their training set or user base ratings) doesn't that merely reflect the composition of their user base?
- Dr_tldr 11y ago
  You have very poor reading comprehension skills, or else you appended your comment to the wrong post. Almost no part of what you're saying corresponds to anything that I said. PS: Giving some solid advice to public-facing startups looking for funding. Definitely take the autistic high-ground on every issue. Investors don't care about bad PR, they only care about abstract principles of truth as you understand them.

tsumnia 11y ago

Oh hey, I worked on something similar two years ago: http://www.FaceMyAge.com http://www.FaceMyAge.com (note, the age estimator has been taken offline - because, 2 years ago). A lot of the issues our estimator (just an age estimator) ran into were the standard face recognition problems: occlusion, lighting, and (the obvious) bogus images. Anyone involved, what data set was the attractiveness scale built from(Labelled Faces in the Wild Dataset (http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/) http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/))?

timofter 11y ago
Hi tsumnia, I am Radu, one of the authors. After 2 years we face almost the same issues, but probably we cope differently with them. Note that our solutions are fully described in the two papers mentioned on our faces.ethz.ch page. For attractiveness we used data from Blinq. Our apparent age estimation solution is the winner of the latest LAP challenge, ICCV 2015.

baltcode 11y ago

popup says: Sorry, we're currently under heavy load and can't handle your hotness. Please try again later.

Zekio 11y ago

It was only off by 1 year on my age, and apparently my own opinion is the same as it's opinion ha ha which isn't very good ha ha

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CrowFly 11y ago

I uploaded a photo of my (male) personal trainer. It got it exactly right. Age 26 and "stunning."

AnimalMuppet 11y ago

And why, exactly, am I supposed to care about how attractive an AI thinks I am?

totony 11y ago

I didn't know I was a girl until now!

Madmallard 11y ago

It says I'm either stunning or hot in the 4 photos I tried. Is that real? I don't really get oogled by women or anything like that. http://imgur.com/Td11aoI http://imgur.com/Td11aoI Yeah this site is bogus. So many inconsistent ratings.

bcook 11y ago
Humans are inconsistent as well. We also use attributes beyond looks. Anyone tried a picture with larged amounts of cash in the background?

nnoitra 11y ago

It's not a lot more precise than randomly guessing. Check this album out: http://imgur.com/a/1a1tn http://imgur.com/a/1a1tn Seems racist and sexist towards men.

timofter 11y ago
Please check our research papers linked on the webpage. Our data consists only from normal (or natural looking) face images in the wild (from IMDB, Wiki, and/or BLINQ user profiles). On such data we get very good apparent age prediction (better than the human reference) and also very good gender and attractiveness prediction. The attractiveness is highly subjective and its perception varies from one culture/region to another. We used data from Switzerland. Our solutions are far from being perfect and the guessed results should not be taken too seriously. We consider to update our models to explicitly deal with distortions and non-human face contents.

tripity 11y ago

A service that upvotes average to below average white people and downvotes average to above average people of color. Is someone anticipating a decline in the international value of Whiteness?

the-13-doctor 11y ago

To be honest this thing seems to be most attuned to Euro centric features.

freddealmeida 11y ago

This fails for Asian faces. Tested it on a picture of Bing Bing (Chinese Actress) that is absolutely stunning. She got a "Nice" rating. This is a toy. Check out how Sensetime did a similar feature.

nice_byte 11y ago
They said it themselves - "Our algorithm is trained on the pictures of the BLINQ community that is mainly based in Switzerland. In other parts of the world the perception might be very different."

phlandis 11y ago

Your AI is impressive. Its ability to guess age was on the mark within a year or two on all of my tests. I am a not very well known male model and scored in the hot to godlike range with a mode of stunning. When I tested the AI on top male models in the industry I got consistent godlike and stunning ratings. The one problem with the AI could be the sensitivity to after editing. I am now sure how one would get past this issue.

Jess_the_best 11y ago

looks fun

hazelhandanza 11y ago

I have a heart shaped face, a slight hawk nose, green eyes, golden hair, freckles on my cheeks, I have light skin, my forehead is an average length, my eyebrows are medium sized, and my teeth are straight