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Poll: Are you getting an iPad?
Now that the details are out, are you going to get one?
- dmn 17y agoOk is there anyone who honestly though it would be more than an over sized Ipod Touch?... Considering that, and all the restrictions, this is probably the saddest piece of hardware/software that I've seen in a while. "Hey look! I just bought a 500$ picture frame"
- sophacles 17y agoWhere's the "I'm waiting for a decent android tablet" option?
- mey 17y agoThe No option
- sophacles 17y agoThank you. I am aware of which current option is closest to my choice. I was not really referring to that tho. The poll question is a yes/no question, and all the answers are either No, or the answer to an implied "which iPad?" question. I was hoping maybe to get an option to say no, and to answer an implied "why not?" at the same time. Seems more balanced that way.
- mey 17y agoAnd what do you think this comment area is for? Edit: To clearly state what I'd expect to see would be "I'm waiting for <x>" as a comment, not a request for more poll options.
- sophacles 17y agoI think this comment area could equally well be used for telling which iPad one would be buying. So by asking for a poll option I not only specify what I intend to do, I also meta comment on the strange implied answer/question part of the poll. Edit: I would not really have this problem if the question was 'Which iPad will you be buying?' since that is the question most of the choices answer. The "No option" could then morph into "I won't be", or could be omitted entirely, as not voting is the same as "I won't be".
- eordano 17y agoI was writing about this on my blog. I hope it wont be 3 years before we can have a decent (google?) open pad.
- jrockway 17y agoStep 1) Buy an x86-based computer in the form factor you like. Step 2) Insert an Android Live CD.
- anigbrowl 17y agoI never noticed you can vote for multiple options in HN polls. No + 16gb wi-fi = maybe.
- ldh 17y agoI might buy a used one when the 2nd gen comes out.
- capablanca 17y agoThis tires the eyes like normal LCDs, so for my main use it's the same as a netbook.
- kylec 17y agoNo "maybe"? I don't know if I want one yet, but I don't also know that I don't want one.
- rdj 17y agoI need an option for: Probably, but the device missed the mark with me. The purchase will be for someone who just needs an ebook (now ibook?) reader, web browser and music player.
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- tlholaday 17y agoUse the 3G on either T-Mobile or Verizon network with either an Android phone or MiFi unit.
- NathanKP 17y agoI don't know yet. It looks awe inspiring, and I think that the iPad app development field might be a good way to make a little cash if I get in early enough. People who buy the first generation, though, usually end up wishing that they waited for the second generation device with even more features and power. Typically the second version works out any quirks and problems that they first one has. So I might wait.
- mtw 17y agoneed to go to the Apple store first and see the real usage
- csuper 17y agoI choose No. I'm interested in playing with one. But I really don't think I will buy one - perhaps my wife will though. ;-)
- mattdennewitz 17y agowaiting for streaming media service, bigger screen, faster *G connection, and lower price. but, really just the first one.
- jodrellblank 17y agoI can see myself buying one on with the idea that it will make for some interesting multitouch large screen apps / web-apps. I can also see myself not using it much. Maybe. Will wait for reviews and to see how the currency converts first, probably. $499 -> £300? More likely. $499 -? £499? Less likely.
- vyrotek 17y agoNeeds: 'No and I won't let any of my family or friends buy one either'
- tptacek 17y agoYou must be fun at Christmas parties.
- thenduks 17y agoI think you're looking for reddit... It's that-a-way.
- cardinal23 17y agoBecause Apple is too controlling, right?
- vyrotek 17y agoMainly because I'm sick of people expecting me to fix their new computer problems. "I dont know how to do X anymore, my old laptop had a program that did it." Have fun!
- WalterSear 17y agoI'm not, but I'm very excited about this. Setting the bar at $500 means the android equivalent will be within my price range. Unlike others, I'm actually buying a netpad for the touchscreen keyboard. If you have chronic RSI, the soft touch needed more than makes up for the clunkiness of tactileless typing.
- jwr 17y agoFor RSI-class problems what also matters is positioning of your wrists (they shouldn't be bent). Which is why I'm using a FingerWorks TouchStream keyboard when my RSI gets bad — it has both touch typing and a bent design, which keeps my wrists straight.
- ZeroGravitas 17y agoWasn't FingerWorks the company Apple bought to work on the touch interface for the iPhone (and presumably the iPad)?
- blasdel 17y agoYes. Their public product before Apple bought them was a 12" Powerbook that had its keyboard replaced with an enourmous multitouch input pad.
- tvon 17y agoProbably. Once the "this could be huge" wears off and some real reviews roll in and some 3rd party apps show up, I'll think about it. 2nd or 3rd version will be great either way, I think.
- run4yourlives 17y agoWhere's the "I'm not stupid enough to buy the first version of anything" option?
- tptacek 17y agoThe "No" option.
- bmcleod 17y agoExcept in this particular case the person could indeed be intending to buy an Ipad, just not from the first generation. Which is clearly not the "No" option.
- run4yourlives 17y agoIt's not the no option. For example, if you asked me this question about the iPod (which I own) or the mac mini (which I own) clearly I'd be lying if I said I wasn't going to buy either of those pieces at all. I probably will buy one of these. But I'll give it a year or two first.
- carterschonwald 17y agoOnly if there winds up being a good writing app for researchy notes, annotating pdfs and latexing up those notes thats integrated together, I would love that
- tptacek 17y agoI'd get the 3G+WiFi one, but I don't want to wait an indeterminate number of days for it. And I already have an iPhone.
- matthewcallis 17y agoI could get a 10 inch iPhone for a lot, or a cheap Chinese media player that runs Linux for a third of the cost.
- thenduks 17y agoI'm all for Linux (my primary development machine) but, really? You would favorably compare the UI of this 'cheap chinese media player' to the iPad? It's just not a contest. If my grandma needs a computer for looking at photos we send her and sending email -- well, guess which device it wont be.
- ZeroGravitas 17y agoYes, but he's not your grandma. If he'd done the standard geek thing and said "why would anyone buy this..." and listed some obscure geek reasons then fine, but he didn't. I'm actually thinking about buying one for myself but it's true that the competition I'm weighing it up against is one or more cheap, no-brand, linux devices (openinkpot e-reader, cheap netbook, tegra webpad, openpandora) at a fraction of the cost.
- ROFISH 17y agoDepends on how jailbreakable it is.
- code_duck 17y agoYeah, I'm interested in one. I've never purchased an Apple product, but this pad looks pretty neat.
- intellectronica 17y agoNo. I've had it with apple. I bought a few of their products. They're beautiful and clever, but eventually I always end up feeling humiliated by how evil they are - treating me as a user like I was a worthless money machine. Also I find it hard to imagine how I would use such a device - too big to put in my pocket, no e-ink, so it can't serve as a book reader and no keyboard, so I can't use it to create things.
- docgnome 17y agoI completely agree. Whoever their target is, it's certainly not me.
- aohtsab 17y agoAgreed on the lack of e-ink. When I read that Amazon and Sony would have to struggle to provide a touch-screen, full-color interface, I thought that meant Apple had come out with an e-ink tablet. It looks really cool, yes, but frankly I'm disappointed it's not e-ink. That specific feature attracted me to the Kindle in the first place, and I absolutely love that I'm not staring at light.
- CamperBob 17y agoWhy don't people understand what an incredible compromise e-ink is? It does nothing well except emulate words on a printed page. It can't be used for Web surfing, it can't be used for gaming, it can't show photos or videos, and you can't use it to implement any kind of meaningful user interface. It's too slow by two orders of magnitude for any of these tasks. If you want to try to compete with Apple by building an expensive gadget that only does one thing well... good luck with that.
- roundsquare 17y agoI think most people do recognize the compromise. It does nothing well except emulate words on a printed page. Thats the whole point! People want something they can stare at and read for hours without hurting their eyes. Its target specifically at people who want to get the book reading experience without carrying around a book. As for the limitations you mentioned, I believe they are well acknowledged. At the moment, people are just happy to keep their eyes in good condition.
- CoachRufus87 17y agoperhaps buy a wifi/3g one and resell it on ebay? (they come unlocked...)
- icefox 17y agoThinking the same thing. I could always buy it and use it for two months and if I don't like it I can sell it for nearly the price I paid for it. Probably will sell for at most $50 less and just think of it as a "rental fee".
- wmblaettler 17y agoIf it had a camera built-in, I'd seriously consider the 16GB 3G+WiFi, but without it, I have some reservations.
- ambulatorybird 17y agoNope; although I'd find the form-factor convenient, I need something that isn't closed or sandboxed.
- novum 17y agoNo. Who is the iPad for? I don't understand the target market. People whose computing needs are basic enough that this can serve as a primary computer? It plays video, and runs apps, and syncs with iTunes, but so does my iPhone and so does my macbook. It's too big to fit in your pocket, so you need a bag for it, but why not just put my macbook in the bag? I'm a power user and I demand a lot from my computers. That's why I jailbroke my iPhone; it just doesn't do enough out of the box. The iPad, like the iPhone, is a closed, sandboxed platform.
- sjs 17y agoThe iPad replaces a computer for most people, and does a lot more by being so portable and simple to use. Seriously, get one of these a keyboard dock and you're good to go. For developers and other content creators we still need the power of a notebook. If we have a smart phone then this isn't as compelling, but for most "normal" people who consume content this is huge. Make no mistake this is a game changer.
- joezydeco 17y agoI was kind of interested in the keyboard dock at first glance. Here's a way to turn an iPad into a simple computer that my kid can use for school tasks or email without trashing my desktop computer setup. But on second glance: how do you drive the UI from the keyboard? Can you use a mouse? Are you going to have to lift your arms and gesture all over the place to open a file, change apps, etc? If they have an answer to the second problem, watch this thing get pushed heavily at the education market in the fall.
- watmough 17y agoYes, looks great for browsing, music, photos, video. I'm disappointed there isn't a camera, but you can't have everything. It's intriguing that it has very limited power requirements. Apple must have done something very special with the processor / display.
- nakkal 17y agoI am not buying it. May be a future versions with Camera and multitasking? Seriously this version should have had a camera.
- protomyth 17y agojust out of curiosity, how would one take pictures with something that big?
- willwagner 17y agoI think the point of a camera for me would be the potential of video conferencing. With a screen that big, you could have a virtual meeting with several participants. Additionally, it would be pretty cool if you could watch the same video remotely while video conferencing with your friends so you could chatter about the show while watching it.
- lylejohnson 17y agoAs others have pointed out, a front-facing camera sounds like a good idea until you think about how you'd have to hold the iPad "just so," so that you'd get the right angle for the picture. It certainly wouldn't work well if you were trying to prop it up in your lap, unless you're going to hunch over to look down at it. Now if they could come up with a clever solution to that problem, I'd definitely like to see a camera in a future iteration of the iPad.
- alex_c 17y agoLet the camera swivel, and make it possible to control from software (throw in face detection, and let it auto-trace your face when you shift the tablet around). It needs some thought, but I'm sure it's not impossible to do well enough for Apple's standards.
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- paydro 17y agoIt's a fantastic device for my parents who aren't tech savvy. Add a camera (hopefully in a future version) and it'll be great to do some video conferencing with my parents. For me, it'd just be a nice to have. So, no, I wont get one.
- aristus 17y agoNo camera. Less space than a ThinkPad. Lame.
- tfh 17y agohttp://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257&tid=107 http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257...
- ivankirigin 17y agoSurely aristus is making an homage, otherwise, this is too rich
- onewland 17y agoTo be fair to CmdrTaco, I wouldn't have wanted a 1st-gen iPod either. Did you ever use the old ones? They really had a lot of kinks to work out and in my opinion were not the best mp3 players on the market.
- NickM 17y agoOther than being physically larger, I really prefer the old iPods to the new ones. Sure, they didn't have video/photo/games/whatever, but they did one thing and did it very well. The iPad, by contrast, seems to do lots of things, but does none of them very well. It's a device that's too big to fit in your pocket, but too small to be comfortable using for long stretches at a time. I guess it's about the right size for an eBook reader, but who wants to read books off an LCD?
- slyn 17y agoMy mom wanted a Kindle for christmas, but we (the rest of my immediate family) passed on it as an idea because we didn't think she would actually end up using it much. We got her an iPod nano 2-3 christmasses ago, and only as of the past 6 months or so has she really managed to figure it out and start aquiring music from iTunes for it, as well as listening to Bob Brinkers weekly raido show on her own time with it (which was really how she first started to learn how to use it). We got my dad one of the original Eee PCs (Eee 901?) from when they first came out because he wanted a small computer he could wander around the house with, and at the time it was basically the only netbook on the market. It has aged fine to do what he wants it for, but it has always been a pain to get it to connect to our wireless network. Usually it connects on startup, but when it doesn't it basically stops working until one of us re-enters our hotspot name and password after turning the wifi card on and off. Maybe I can kill two birds with one stone and get them both something better with just one device. I'd definately want to test out the hardware myself though to see if it meets "can my parents learn to use this?" first impression.
- tallanvor 17y agoDefinitely not. It's just a big iPod Touch and Apple still controls what applications you can use on it. Plus, I'm not interested in reading ebooks on a backlit screen. I'll stick with the Kindle since I can read it for hours without worrying about my eyes getting tired.
- lurch_mojoff 17y agoUnless hands on wows me off my feet, I almost certainly am not getting one. There are two things I can fully understand in the context of the iPhone - no third party background apps and apps only through the App store - that I refuse to accept in what is supposed to be a laptop replacement. Everything else for me falls between Meh and Wow - no deal breakers, but also nothing making me lust after the thing, unlike the original iPhone.
- access_denied 17y agoI am seriously thinking about the publishing aspects of it. You know, a content website is nice, but a "diskmag" can be a nice business too.
- mooted 17y agoNo camera. No mutitasking. No choice of browsers. No plugin support in browser. Runs only what apple wants. Definitely not worth carrying a 10 inch display for a crippled web experience.
- johnmw 17y agoSnow Leopard works like a charm on my netbook with similar specs. Maybe I'll buy one when I can duel boot ;)
- pbz 17y agoI'd like to see that fight.
- gchpaco 17y agoNeed to play with one in person to know for sure.
- PostOnce 17y agoThe iPad might be called a non-portable PDA. It can't replace netbooks without a keyboard, and it can't replace smartphones because it doesn't fit in your pocket or on your belt; I consider it a toy rather than a tool.
- mrduncan 17y agoThat reminds me of Biz and Ev of Twitter talking at Startup School about when they were first playing around with it (I wish I could remember how it was described). In essence, Biz said that it was neat but not very useful to which Ev replied "neither is iced cream". Just because it's a toy and not a tool doesn't mean it's worthless. Edit: After re-reading your post, I'm not sure that is what you were saying. Apologies if I misrepresented you.
- PostOnce 17y agoI was careful not to say that. If it isn't a useful business tool, that doesn't necessarily mean that it won't be as successful as any gaming console/handheld. They probably are limiting their market to gizmo-fans with a glut of disposable income, and that could affect their bottom line.
- hockeybias 17y agoNo.It is basically just a status symbol.
- aohtsab 17y agoNot quite true — at $500 it's more affordable than a regular Macbook, so for people not in need of full computing power, it might be a viable alternative. ...once it gets flash support, of course.
- craig-faber 17y agoNope. Notion Ink's Adam looks better actually.
- ZeroGravitas 17y agoMaybe. I'd been thinking about getting an linux based ARM netbook or even a tablet when either showed up for casual surfing when the wife's using the MacBook. I'd also been pondering an e-book reader. This could kill two birds with one stone and maybe let me watch films and tv with headphones on in bed or the couch while the wife watches something else on TV. On the other hand, does it do Dvorak? How does it deal with two different users with different email accounts, web histories etc? What's it actually going to cost in the UK? If it can stream media from a linux box and it's powerful enough to do interesting things with HTML5 apps then I've probably talked myself into it.
- gcheong 17y agoNo camera, no "real" GPS. No.
- kylec 17y agoThe 3G unit has the same sort of GPS that the iPhone has. Whether or not that's "real" to you, it's good enough for me. I hope that someone produces a car dock because that would make it pretty much the best navigation unit available.
- lallysingh 17y agoThe iPhone's got a real GPS unit, augmented with cell-tower data and some fast-almanac-acquire tricks. AGPS.
- gcheong 17y agoOops, yeah I read the spec wrong thinking it was restricted to just wi-fi/cell tower location capabilities. Still a no for me though, for now.
- inboulder 17y agoNo No flash video No SD slot No USB (come on apple) No writing input (newton 2?) Weird itouch/iphone OS, means apps/everything controlled by apple, expensive No eink display
- frankus 17y agoThere are USB and SD card reader dongles for the dock connector, but no word on what kind of access third-party apps are going to have to them.
- petercooper 17y agoNo eink display Hardly a disadvantage. You might as well say it has no solar panel.
- modoc 17y agoThe market is people like myself I guess. I'd like something I can leave in the living room or bedroom and be able to surf the web or check e-mail without being limited to my iphone screen. It would also be wonderful for plane trips. My 17" MBP doesn't work too well on most US domestic coach seats, so having a smaller, 10 hour batt life eBook reader, video player, etc... would be great. Yes, I've tried watching videos on my iphone on the plane. The screen is small and you have to either hold it up the whole time, or bend your head down, neither is comfortable. Also with iWork and projector support I could bring things on many day trips/business meetings instead of lugging my full laptop. It's basically an iPhone only bigger screened, a Kindle only better and bigger screened, with color, a video player, and enough of a laptop to get me by on day trips and sales meetings. Well worth $499, and in fact well worth $829. Your needs may vary from mine, but don't assume just because you don't want one that means there's no market. I and my five closest friends are all getting them, so out of tech folks I know personally, that's a pretty decent indicator.
- smcq 17y agoCustom dock connector, since I'll need to cary a dock converter with me to plug in usb devices. I'll probably by the first version with a standard port onboard and a camera.
- dylanz 17y agoNo. It's like a big IPod, which I have but don't use often anyhow. I'm sticking to my combination of a Laptop and an EBook reader (I have a Kindle).
- ComputerGuru 17y agoMy 13" MacBook and Kindle are a better combo, IMHO. More portable, more reliable, better software, better user experience.
- bjplink 17y agoExplain to me how carrying around two separate devices is more portable?
- ComputerGuru 17y agoBecause I don't carry both around at once :) The only time I can read is at home (since I never use public transportation and never have a free moment at work).
- dagw 17y agoI really like the form factor and I'm tempted, but based on what I've seen it's not exactly what I want. Unless it blows me away in ways I'm not expecting when I see it hands on, it will probably be a No. I want a tablet with this form factor and I have $500, hopefully this will kick start other companies to get similar devices out the door.
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- gwern 17y agoNo; I keep dreaming of a 'wearable' computer with a heads-up display that could replace my desktop - we get closer and closer, but never actually there.
- Ionic_Walrus 17y agoNo
- jsz0 17y agoSure, why not? At only $499 I feel like it's worth having just to use in my house. I plan to dock it at my computer desk and use it in conjunction with my desktop for music playback, video, etc. I can undock it and go read a book or browse the internet. I certainly could use a laptop for that but this is smaller, cheaper, has a nicer display, and is going to have huge third party support. The iWork demo really shows the potential of doing desktop quality applications on the iPad. I'm sold. The low price tag actually makes me wonder if I should buy two. I wouldn't mind docking one of these into my car. (I was going to spend $400 on a nice in-dash player with good iPod integration anyway, what's another $99?)
- mortenjorck 17y ago"Only $499" essentially depends on where you are in this recession right now. If you've survived so far or are back on track, if your employer or business is in the black and you're a decently-paid professional without too many expenses, it's probably a worthwhile investment in improving your digital lifestyle. If your outlook is more mixed, especially if you're part of that 10% of Americans currently without a job, you probably want to keep that $499 in the account just in case you need it when you go out for groceries in the coming months.
- jrockway 17y agoSome people have savings for both groceries and electronic devices. (And no, I am not going to buy one of these.)
- lallysingh 17y agoI don't particularly dislike the device -- it looks exactly like what I'd expect out of Apple for that product. But frankly, I live my life in emacs and a terminal. It's just not for me. I'm even swapping in my iPhone for a N900.
- jrockway 17y agoIndeed. This is a device for consumers, not for creators.
- akkartik 17y agoThe cost would keep my startup going for another week, so no.
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- onedognight 17y agoMy mother (who only uses the web) could switch entirely to an iPad and probably would be equally if not more happy, but the iPad requires a Mac which defeats the purpose of switching entirely.
- nakajima 17y agoThat's not true at all. You don't need a Mac.
- mrtron 17y agoI am considering getting the wifi version. Primary use: Browsing I would like to eliminate casual surfing on my laptop and only use it for work - so this might be a great excuse to get the ipad. edit: After attempting to read a book on my laptop and iphone - I think this would be a great device for reading pdf books too. You can hold it where you want and you aren't continually scrolling.
- derefr 17y agoPerhaps, but only because it would be the perfect platform for a visual/tactile development environment (think APL-flavored Squeak + "fingerpainting" flowcharts.) Might have to wait until it's jailbroken, though.
- lux 17y agoAlmost certainly. I want this form factor for some of the iphone music apps! BeatMaker would be rad on this!
- Batsu 17y agoThere's a very small chance I might want one after playing with one. Right now my impression is I would be buying a $500 iPod touch for people with extremely large hands. Anywhere I would want to read with it, I would take a book.
- Dobbs 17y agoMy old laptop died so I've been planning/saving to get a new one recently. This could serve a lot of the use of a replacement laptop, but it is still heavily limited. So no I'm not going to buy an encumbered device when it costs half of what I would spend for my thinkpad.
- johnfn 17y agoI won't get one immediately. I might think about it a year or two down the line, after a potential price drop, and after I get to see how the whole extended DRM muddle / app store trouble pans out.
- takameyer 17y agoLooks like it would be an advanced coffee table book...that you have to charge...and costs $499. No thanks.
- thesethings 17y agoWish there was an "eventually" option. I will likely get one in 18-24 months, 2nd generation used.
- jpluscplusm 17y agoVoted no, but I'll get the 2nd gen when this 14 month-old macbook dies. It's a cheaper casual/home browsing device - nothing more.
- c1sc0 17y agoYes, but not for ME. I can see my father using it to show holiday pictures or my girlfriend for surfing the web in the sofa. We're not the target market on the customer side. However, we ARE the target market on the developer side. The success of this device hinges on the quality of the apps WE are going to build for it. My bet is that there will be a lot of innovative apps for this device. The SDK is dead easy for the devs who already put out 100K iPhone apps, multi-gesture will allow some interesting gameplay, CoreText may allow you to build gorgeous text-based apps. The device packs some real CPU power. Sure, the limits (DRM, AppStore, API-limts, Single-App) kinda suck. But with the $$$ luring an established developer-base I expect lots of apps to be available soon. And it's the quality of these entertainment/fun apps that is going to drive the success of this device. So maybe we should rephrase the poll: Who is going to develop for the iPad? (How do I create a poll?)
- petercooper 17y agoYes. Two even. One 16GB WiFi one ASAP and then a 64GB 3G+WiFi one.. with the hand me down to the wife :-) I was cold on the iPhone but this thing is a massive deal.
- squidbot 17y ago"Me too." I'll buy a 16 GB WiFi for my wife to replace her ailing laptop. All she does is surf the web, organize photos, play games, e-mail and word processing, and she likes to be able to move around because of our young children. I'll likely get the keyboard dock for her for when she needs to do serious writing. I'll buy one for myself with 3G to replace my iPhone. I don't actually use the phone all that much (seriously, only about 45 minutes per month) so I'll switch to a prepaid phone. Even with the unlimited 3G, that I'll likely not need since my max internet usage so far was 181, 30 per month plus about 10 a month for prepaid cell phone will get me what I need for my 2 hours a day on the bus. I'll probably be porting applications to it as well, for work,
- blasdel 17y agoI'll probably buy a netbook running ChromeOS, especially if they get some halfway-decent hardware made with solid keyboards + cases. Definitely if someone releases one with a fast ARM processor, 2gb+ of RAM, and a PixelQi screen.
- delackner 17y agoDefinitely getting one to develop apps on, and for reading books, and touch screen painting (a Cintiq is far far more expensive). But very up in the air about which version.
- kapuzineralex 17y agoWith an iPod-like restricted OS? No, thank you.
- japanesejay 17y agowow. im surprised that theres so many "no"s in this poll. I figured this device wouldnt be for the masses but i thought it would have better reception on HN.
- parka 17y agoI buy technology items based on only two criteria. 1. Does it help me save more time. 2. Does it help me save more money. It's a no for both so I'm not getting it.
- robotron 17y agoOur household has notebooks, netbooks, DS Lites, PSP's, a Kindle and Android phones. I don't think we need another gadget.