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FYI, the first part of the article spoils some minor things about the new star wars film, for those who haven't seen it. I bailed out of reading it after that.

rhizome 11y ago
This is super bad form, that sucks.
beedogs 11y ago
If the name of a single character now counts as a spoiler, I don't think I want to live on this planet anymore.
- LukeShu 11y ago
  It's more than just the name; the first part of the sentence is far more spoiler-y than the name at the end.
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    Spoiler alert: franchise soft reboots do the same thing as the original franchise because that's what puts ("record" number, in this case) butts in seats. I just ruined A LOT of movies from here forward.
    - rangibaby 11y ago
      It also makes more sense with Star Wars (1977), a simple and universal story (a fairytale, even) than say, Robocop.
- paulddraper 11y ago
  Could you spoil it for us with the name of the planet you do want to live on?
  - rangibaby 11y ago
    Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, then the planet that it's farthest from. The "spoilers" for the new Star Wars film aren't a big deal. I knew them and the "spoiled" scenes still had a big impact on me, because that's what good film making is all about.
Jtsummers 11y ago
I'm pretty sure there are no spoilers in that first paragraph. In fact, I'm pretty sure most of what's referenced was available in pre-release materials (trailers, press events, and such). I just saw the movie and just read this article, it's less spoilery (in my opinion, not spoilery at all) than listening to coworkers in the lead up to it who were making conjectures based on their knowledge of other Star Wars media and the pre-release materials.
- LukeShu 11y ago
  Pre-release materials are the worst, and often contain awful spoilers. I intentionally avoided them for Star Wars. During the previews when I saw Star Wars, one of the people I went with did his best to ignore the Captain America trailer, because he didn't want it spoiled at all. You watch enough ads/pre-release materials to decide you want to see it, then once you decide to see it, you ignore everything you can.
  - Jtsummers 11y ago
    IMO, outside of thrillers or movies that pretty much rely on a major twist, "spoilers" is nonsense. I'm not going to go around telling the plot of a movie to people (that's a dick move), but if a movie cannot stand on its own even if you've been told the last 5 minutes verbatim (or seen them) before seeing the rest, then the movie is probably not worth watching. And there are very few trailers that are that bad. Again, I'll except trailers for thrillers and the like, those story structures necessarily depend on twists or slow reveals for their ride to be fun or interesting, and a spoiler can absolutely ruin them. But action movies?
    - forrestthewoods 11y ago
      That's cool. Good for you. You've decided what you do and do not care about before seeing a movie. Now let other people do the same.
      - Jtsummers 11y ago
lambda 11y ago
At some point, you have to stop considering any discussion of a movie as spoiler. The term "spoiler" should be reserved for a reveal that actually spoils the movie; where some crucial element of the movies emotional impact can be taken away by knowing some fact in advance that is held secret through the movie. The discussion in the first paragraph here pretty much just covers the exposition in the credits, and the material you learn very early on about one of the main characters. I feel like treating this kind of information as a spoiler will just lead you to endless anxiety until you have seen every possible movie that could be "spoiled" for you this way. Why not just relax, accept that people are going to do some light discussion of movies, and reserve your outrage for actual spoilers of surprising plot points, mysteries solved, puzzles spoiled, and the like?
- gknoy 11y ago
  I think that _the same weekend it opens_ is not in the span that most would consider "spoiler free". If the movie has been out for a month, maybe.
- matrixagent 11y ago
  OP didn't seem outraged to me, just a bit disappointed. Which I understand, because "at some point" is still far away for the new Star Wars movie. I do think that any discussion of a movie is a spoiler. It depends, but from friends I don't even want to know if they liked a movie or not as I know them and their taste so well that I will deduce things which will influence my experience. I want my experience as pristine as possible, which is hard enough without articles mentioning tiny details about plots that they just don't need to mention for the point they are making.
  - lambda 11y ago
    When I say "at some point", I don't mean that that's the timeline for a particular movie. I mean at some point in your life, it is better to let go of the idea of walking into a movie in a completely pristine state with no expectation about what will happen in it. Otherwise, either you have to cut yourself off from all media and conversation that might possibly reference the movie, or try and convince everyone you might interact with, and everyone who might write anything online, not to discuss the movie. Neither option seems particularly pleasant nor realistic to achieve. I suppose you could also just see every movie you intend to see on the first showing of the opening day. What you are doing by asking for absolutely no information at all, even the basic exposition and setup of characters at the beginning of the movie, is imposing a large burden on everyone else around you to prevent a very minor inconvenience to yourself. I understand not wanting major spoilers, and that there should be a reasonable time before discussing those points openly without a spoiler warning. But it just seems that the trade-off is fairly poor for not even allowing the most basic discussion.
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Joeboy 11y ago
It's safe to read the article unless you have a pretty extreme desire to avoid knowing anything whatsoever about the film before you watch it. The spoilers are more like "It's set in space" than "Vader is Luke's father".
- psykovsky 11y ago
  Vader is Luke's father? o_O
  - prodmerc 11y ago
    NOOOOOOO!
    - michaelbuddy 11y ago
      ironically, this line of dialogue is the biggest spoiler of any movie of all time.

rhizome 11y ago

This is super bad form, that sucks.

beedogs 11y ago

If the name of a single character now counts as a spoiler, I don't think I want to live on this planet anymore.

LukeShu 11y ago
It's more than just the name; the first part of the sentence is far more spoiler-y than the name at the end.
- oldmanjay 11y ago
  Spoiler alert: franchise soft reboots do the same thing as the original franchise because that's what puts ("record" number, in this case) butts in seats. I just ruined A LOT of movies from here forward.
  - rangibaby 11y ago
    It also makes more sense with Star Wars (1977), a simple and universal story (a fairytale, even) than say, Robocop.
paulddraper 11y ago
Could you spoil it for us with the name of the planet you do want to live on?
- rangibaby 11y ago
  Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, then the planet that it's farthest from. The "spoilers" for the new Star Wars film aren't a big deal. I knew them and the "spoiled" scenes still had a big impact on me, because that's what good film making is all about.

Jtsummers 11y ago

I'm pretty sure there are no spoilers in that first paragraph. In fact, I'm pretty sure most of what's referenced was available in pre-release materials (trailers, press events, and such). I just saw the movie and just read this article, it's less spoilery (in my opinion, not spoilery at all) than listening to coworkers in the lead up to it who were making conjectures based on their knowledge of other Star Wars media and the pre-release materials.

LukeShu 11y ago
Pre-release materials are the worst, and often contain awful spoilers. I intentionally avoided them for Star Wars. During the previews when I saw Star Wars, one of the people I went with did his best to ignore the Captain America trailer, because he didn't want it spoiled at all. You watch enough ads/pre-release materials to decide you want to see it, then once you decide to see it, you ignore everything you can.
- Jtsummers 11y ago
  IMO, outside of thrillers or movies that pretty much rely on a major twist, "spoilers" is nonsense. I'm not going to go around telling the plot of a movie to people (that's a dick move), but if a movie cannot stand on its own even if you've been told the last 5 minutes verbatim (or seen them) before seeing the rest, then the movie is probably not worth watching. And there are very few trailers that are that bad. Again, I'll except trailers for thrillers and the like, those story structures necessarily depend on twists or slow reveals for their ride to be fun or interesting, and a spoiler can absolutely ruin them. But action movies?
  - forrestthewoods 11y ago
    That's cool. Good for you. You've decided what you do and do not care about before seeing a movie. Now let other people do the same.
    - Jtsummers 11y ago

lambda 11y ago

At some point, you have to stop considering any discussion of a movie as spoiler. The term "spoiler" should be reserved for a reveal that actually spoils the movie; where some crucial element of the movies emotional impact can be taken away by knowing some fact in advance that is held secret through the movie. The discussion in the first paragraph here pretty much just covers the exposition in the credits, and the material you learn very early on about one of the main characters. I feel like treating this kind of information as a spoiler will just lead you to endless anxiety until you have seen every possible movie that could be "spoiled" for you this way. Why not just relax, accept that people are going to do some light discussion of movies, and reserve your outrage for actual spoilers of surprising plot points, mysteries solved, puzzles spoiled, and the like?

gknoy 11y ago
I think that _the same weekend it opens_ is not in the span that most would consider "spoiler free". If the movie has been out for a month, maybe.
matrixagent 11y ago
OP didn't seem outraged to me, just a bit disappointed. Which I understand, because "at some point" is still far away for the new Star Wars movie. I do think that any discussion of a movie is a spoiler. It depends, but from friends I don't even want to know if they liked a movie or not as I know them and their taste so well that I will deduce things which will influence my experience. I want my experience as pristine as possible, which is hard enough without articles mentioning tiny details about plots that they just don't need to mention for the point they are making.
- lambda 11y ago
  When I say "at some point", I don't mean that that's the timeline for a particular movie. I mean at some point in your life, it is better to let go of the idea of walking into a movie in a completely pristine state with no expectation about what will happen in it. Otherwise, either you have to cut yourself off from all media and conversation that might possibly reference the movie, or try and convince everyone you might interact with, and everyone who might write anything online, not to discuss the movie. Neither option seems particularly pleasant nor realistic to achieve. I suppose you could also just see every movie you intend to see on the first showing of the opening day. What you are doing by asking for absolutely no information at all, even the basic exposition and setup of characters at the beginning of the movie, is imposing a large burden on everyone else around you to prevent a very minor inconvenience to yourself. I understand not wanting major spoilers, and that there should be a reasonable time before discussing those points openly without a spoiler warning. But it just seems that the trade-off is fairly poor for not even allowing the most basic discussion.

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Joeboy 11y ago

It's safe to read the article unless you have a pretty extreme desire to avoid knowing anything whatsoever about the film before you watch it. The spoilers are more like "It's set in space" than "Vader is Luke's father".

psykovsky 11y ago
Vader is Luke's father? o_O
- prodmerc 11y ago
  NOOOOOOO!
  - michaelbuddy 11y ago
    ironically, this line of dialogue is the biggest spoiler of any movie of all time.