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The police found more than 300 illegal weapons during their searches. People that were put under house arrests have a file on them because of their links with t

The police found more than 300 illegal weapons during their searches. People that were put under house arrests have a file on them because of their links with terrorists or terrorist organizations. I don't feel the government is abusing the state of emergency, I just feel they should have done all this before the attacks.

stefantalpalaru 11y ago
> terrorist organizations Like those pesky ecologists that endanger the state by stopping economic growth and slowing down job creation at the cost of increased pollution, right?
- GrumpyBen 11y ago
  They're not ecologists, they're anti-globalization anarchists that protested against a new airport by destroying shops in downtown Nantes. They recently threw at the police candles that people left at the memorial for the Paris attacks. I consider myself an ecologist but I have no sympathy for these people.
  - stefantalpalaru 11y ago
    Can you read French? https://wiki.laquadrature.net/%C3%89tat_urgence/Recensement#Assignation_.C3.A0_r.C3.A9sidence_de_militants_.28.C3.A9cologistes_et.2Fou_extr.C3.AAme-gauche.29 https://wiki.laquadrature.net/%C3%89tat_urgence/Recensement#... People who commit crimes should be fined or arrested. These are preventive house arrests for crimes that they might commit in the future. You really don't see the problem with this?
    - GrumpyBen 11y ago
      They also banned alcohol sales at night in some places for the same simple reason: the police has better things to do right now than dealing with drunk people or anarchists
      - Kristine1975 11y ago
        So much for "liberté"... which precisely seems to be what gotchange was talking about.
      - sitkack 11y ago
        You didn't respond to the question.
        GrumpyBen 11y ago
        They are known violent protestors. I don't care much about the freedom of "environmentalists" that protest against capitalism by burning down stores. Especially while the country is in state of emergency.
  - metanoetic 11y ago
    And yet, they're still not ISIS terrorists. The state of emergency was used to stop public discourse and dissent - both anarchists and non-anarchists were banned from attending marches during the Paris climate summit.
    - GrumpyBen 11y ago
      The police had to protect the COP21 and the visit from more than 150 head of states. They also have to protect administrations, newspaper offices, jewish organizations and others potential terrorist targets. There's just not enough police forces to handle all this, plus marches and anarchist protests
      - slang800 11y ago
        Not having proper resources isn't a reason to infringe upon the freedoms of the people. If the police can't handle their work, then they should just ignore less important crimes and focus their efforts on the stuff that matters. Otherwise the French government could use a lack of resources as an excuse to silence whoever they want. With a justification like that, they could make arrests for thought-crime.
      - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
        Who's more of a threat to the public - random candle-throwing anarchists, or the heads of state of the biggest and most militarised and industrialised nations in the world?
    - XorNot 11y ago
      Terrorists are terrorists regardless of affiliation. ISIS doesn't have organized operations in the west it just takes credit for lone acts. By and large its not clear ISIS actually wants people to commit terror attacks in the west since it gets potentially useful recruits killed not fighting for territory in the middle East (note they are big on how you should definitely move to the ISIS territories).
      - metanoetic 11y ago
  - calandoa 11y ago
    > They recently threw at the police candles that people left at the memorial for the Paris attacks What I see is people quietly holding their hands around the memorial, and cops coming and stamping everything to get them out. http://www.taranisnews.com/post/134413704538/first-person-view-cop21-paris-29112015 http://www.taranisnews.com/post/134413704538/first-person-vi... (~16')
nickbauman 11y ago
A mere file? In the US, when a suspected terrorist is held by US state security and they are not a US citizen, every non-citizen in their social graph (family, friends, even known acquaintances) who aren't already being held are deported immediately.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  I've never heard of this. Does this policy have a name I could read up on?
  - nickbauman 11y ago
    I learned about it reading a long article about the Boston Marathon Bombing in the New Yorker a couple of months after the incident occurred. It shocked me, but when the reporter asked the INS/ICE offices about it they said it was "standard procedure".
gotchange 11y ago
Hey people, I have a file on GrumpyBen, can someone please lock him up as he is deemed a threat to public safety? Joking aside, if activists committed any crime, you follow the legal procedures and challenge them in a court of law before a judge and let the defendants present their case in a free trial and see if any of the charges you brought against them sticks, otherwise shut up and leave them alone because if you start allowing police to hand out sentences without legal recourse to challenge these arbitrary punishments, you'll descend slowly into a police state and horrific society to live within.
- vegabook 11y ago
  I don't find your "joke" very funny at all, in the aftermath of almost 200 terrorist deaths (in the west) in November alone. GrumpyBen's prescription is not fun and anti-liberty, but so is living in a society being preyed upon by violent groups within it.
  - gotchange 11y ago
    I don't find your comment constructive at all. First, it wasn't a joke. Second, we were discussing putting environment activists under arbitrary house arrest not terrorists or terrorism. Your anger at the tragic death should be directed at the terrorists or the security apparatus which failed miserably to protect people in the "west" and not at me or the activists. Try next time to read the comments first before jumping into the discussion.
    - vegabook 11y ago
      your silly faux-incitement "joking" (your words) strikes the wrong tone in this literally deadly-serious subject matter, and if it potentially offends sensibilities then I'm sorry, but pointing that out to you can be constructive.
- GrumpyBen 11y ago
  I agree with you and that's actually the case here. If these activists think their house arrest is unfair, they can complain to an administrative judge that will look into their case.
calandoa 11y ago
> The police found more than 300 illegal weapons during their searches. Looks like the newspapers you are reading are omitting to mention that a lot of weapons found are neutralized and belong to collectors who just do not have the official certificate for neutralization: http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis/2015/11/18/un-stock-d-armes-de-guerre-retrouve-dans-un-immeuble-a-montargis-mis-a-jour_11668753.html http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis... http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis/2015/11/20/armes-a-montargis-le-profil-collectionneur-privilegie_11672357.html http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis...

stefantalpalaru 11y ago

> terrorist organizations Like those pesky ecologists that endanger the state by stopping economic growth and slowing down job creation at the cost of increased pollution, right?

GrumpyBen 11y ago
They're not ecologists, they're anti-globalization anarchists that protested against a new airport by destroying shops in downtown Nantes. They recently threw at the police candles that people left at the memorial for the Paris attacks. I consider myself an ecologist but I have no sympathy for these people.
- stefantalpalaru 11y ago
  Can you read French? https://wiki.laquadrature.net/%C3%89tat_urgence/Recensement#Assignation_.C3.A0_r.C3.A9sidence_de_militants_.28.C3.A9cologistes_et.2Fou_extr.C3.AAme-gauche.29 https://wiki.laquadrature.net/%C3%89tat_urgence/Recensement#... People who commit crimes should be fined or arrested. These are preventive house arrests for crimes that they might commit in the future. You really don't see the problem with this?
  - GrumpyBen 11y ago
    They also banned alcohol sales at night in some places for the same simple reason: the police has better things to do right now than dealing with drunk people or anarchists
    - Kristine1975 11y ago
      So much for "liberté"... which precisely seems to be what gotchange was talking about.
    - sitkack 11y ago
      You didn't respond to the question.
      - GrumpyBen 11y ago
        They are known violent protestors. I don't care much about the freedom of "environmentalists" that protest against capitalism by burning down stores. Especially while the country is in state of emergency.
- metanoetic 11y ago
  And yet, they're still not ISIS terrorists. The state of emergency was used to stop public discourse and dissent - both anarchists and non-anarchists were banned from attending marches during the Paris climate summit.
  - GrumpyBen 11y ago
    The police had to protect the COP21 and the visit from more than 150 head of states. They also have to protect administrations, newspaper offices, jewish organizations and others potential terrorist targets. There's just not enough police forces to handle all this, plus marches and anarchist protests
    - slang800 11y ago
      Not having proper resources isn't a reason to infringe upon the freedoms of the people. If the police can't handle their work, then they should just ignore less important crimes and focus their efforts on the stuff that matters. Otherwise the French government could use a lack of resources as an excuse to silence whoever they want. With a justification like that, they could make arrests for thought-crime.
    - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
      Who's more of a threat to the public - random candle-throwing anarchists, or the heads of state of the biggest and most militarised and industrialised nations in the world?
  - XorNot 11y ago
    Terrorists are terrorists regardless of affiliation. ISIS doesn't have organized operations in the west it just takes credit for lone acts. By and large its not clear ISIS actually wants people to commit terror attacks in the west since it gets potentially useful recruits killed not fighting for territory in the middle East (note they are big on how you should definitely move to the ISIS territories).
    - metanoetic 11y ago
- calandoa 11y ago
  > They recently threw at the police candles that people left at the memorial for the Paris attacks What I see is people quietly holding their hands around the memorial, and cops coming and stamping everything to get them out. http://www.taranisnews.com/post/134413704538/first-person-view-cop21-paris-29112015 http://www.taranisnews.com/post/134413704538/first-person-vi... (~16')

nickbauman 11y ago

A mere file? In the US, when a suspected terrorist is held by US state security and they are not a US citizen, every non-citizen in their social graph (family, friends, even known acquaintances) who aren't already being held are deported immediately.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
I've never heard of this. Does this policy have a name I could read up on?
- nickbauman 11y ago
  I learned about it reading a long article about the Boston Marathon Bombing in the New Yorker a couple of months after the incident occurred. It shocked me, but when the reporter asked the INS/ICE offices about it they said it was "standard procedure".

gotchange 11y ago

Hey people, I have a file on GrumpyBen, can someone please lock him up as he is deemed a threat to public safety? Joking aside, if activists committed any crime, you follow the legal procedures and challenge them in a court of law before a judge and let the defendants present their case in a free trial and see if any of the charges you brought against them sticks, otherwise shut up and leave them alone because if you start allowing police to hand out sentences without legal recourse to challenge these arbitrary punishments, you'll descend slowly into a police state and horrific society to live within.

vegabook 11y ago
I don't find your "joke" very funny at all, in the aftermath of almost 200 terrorist deaths (in the west) in November alone. GrumpyBen's prescription is not fun and anti-liberty, but so is living in a society being preyed upon by violent groups within it.
- gotchange 11y ago
  I don't find your comment constructive at all. First, it wasn't a joke. Second, we were discussing putting environment activists under arbitrary house arrest not terrorists or terrorism. Your anger at the tragic death should be directed at the terrorists or the security apparatus which failed miserably to protect people in the "west" and not at me or the activists. Try next time to read the comments first before jumping into the discussion.
  - vegabook 11y ago
    your silly faux-incitement "joking" (your words) strikes the wrong tone in this literally deadly-serious subject matter, and if it potentially offends sensibilities then I'm sorry, but pointing that out to you can be constructive.
GrumpyBen 11y ago
I agree with you and that's actually the case here. If these activists think their house arrest is unfair, they can complain to an administrative judge that will look into their case.

calandoa 11y ago

> The police found more than 300 illegal weapons during their searches. Looks like the newspapers you are reading are omitting to mention that a lot of weapons found are neutralized and belong to collectors who just do not have the official certificate for neutralization: http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis/2015/11/18/un-stock-d-armes-de-guerre-retrouve-dans-un-immeuble-a-montargis-mis-a-jour_11668753.html http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis... http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis/2015/11/20/armes-a-montargis-le-profil-collectionneur-privilegie_11672357.html http://www.larep.fr/loiret/actualite/pays/gatinais/montargis...