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as a sidenote I encourage all people with talent to leave countries with suppressive regimes. I think they should be erased from their position. One way to do t
by geff82 11y ago
as a sidenote I encourage all people with talent to leave countries with suppressive regimes. I think they should be erased from their position. One way to do that is to encourage everyone to leave their country. One can argue that staying in a bad country may one day help to build it up again, but on the other hand, nothing hurts bad people in power more than complete brain drain.
- 0xFFC 11y agoI have plan to leave, I am looking for os research lab to apply in next year or after and I am working on my langauge. quick question , your family does not have any issue with openvpn ? the place where I am we cannot use openvpn.they shut connection down every 2 3 min.
- eric_bullington 11y agoAre you using a commercial OpenVPN provider, or bootstrapping your own OpenVPN proxy like the grandparent poster? That may make a significant difference.
- 0xFFC 11y agoboth . in either case scenario was same , and most of my friends (which most of them are in CS industry ) have same experience . I used to use commercial openvpn provider , and after a while I config my own openvpn server in my own vps . they both lose connection after 2 3 min. right now I am using shadowsocks and I have other options in case of something goes wrong.
- njloof 11y agoTo answer your question, OpenVPN is no problem at most ISPs in Canada or the United States. The only ones I have heard of that restrict VPN use from home just want to charge you more money for their "business" service instead of "home".
- radmuzom 11y agoLeave to where? To a country where 1. a few rich people control the entire political process by buying out politicians. 2. where there are frequent shootings and you are never safe due to some idiotic Constitutional amendment. 3. where regularly unarmed minorities are shot dead by the police and the majority jury allow them to go unpunished. 4. where there is no mandate to give workers paid leave include those with a newborn. 5. where lobbies can force the government into war and destroy lives around the world. 6. where there is a high rate of incarceration, primarily due to the motivation of a proxy war against a certain group of people. 7. where the child abuse death rate is one of the highest in the world. 8. where life is just a gamble where you have "opportunity" to become super rich at the expense of everyone else? Sorry. I am neither Chinese nor Iranian, but I would take these two countries over another country who distorts the notion of "freedom" and "democracy" even when they have none of it.
- andrepd 11y agoWest != USA. Move to some European country if you dislike the US so much.
- Zardoz84 11y agoWe in Europe we have problems with dumb and stupid politicians. :(
- joshYarnspinner 11y agoSo do those poor Americans... so do all of the world, in fact. Although I will admit that having Marie Le Pen being one of the few to speak out for civil liberties in France is indicative of particular idiocy.
- geff82 11y agoGo there, they welcome guys like you. See, I am not necessarily talking about the USA as I am from Europe. But I value the universal right of the western world for free expression very much. There is no such thing as the perfect country, but I firmly believe that you should have the right to freely discuss shortcomings and solution. This is given in the USA as well as in Europe. You will not have that possibility in Iran or China. And you will have many other things denied, too. So good luck there!
- e12e 11y ago> nothing hurts bad people in power more than complete brain drain. Well, yes. A noose, for example. I completly sympathise with those the flee - but change in any country csn really only come from within. Often with help from outside - but without a force of change within - a real force - there will be no real change.
- geff82 11y agoYes, the micro and macro levels are contradicting. On the micro level, it is everyones personal best to leave and try to make a good life outside. On the macro level, it is best to stay and work on changing things for the better.
- lucagold 11y agoyou have to realize that sometimes it is not that easy for people to just leave. it's not like they just quickly buy a plane ticket and fly off to some safe country and the happy ending is complete. you'll have to to be wealthy enough to afford finding a way out. you'll have to be willing to leave your family/friends. you'll have to be willing to leave the place you might be very attached to. you'll have to be willing to put up with all the bullshit and xenophobia you'll be faced with, once you arrive in your "safe" destination.
- jedisct1 11y agoMost importantly, you need a visa, which is not necessarily easy to get, especially if you are a Chinese citizen. It's not just about being attached to your friends or to a place. A lot of people would love to leave their country, but aren't allowed to.
- robbiep 11y agoAnd nothing hurts a whole country more than a massive brain drain
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago> as a sidenote I encourage all people with talent to leave countries with suppressive regimes. All countries have oppressive regimes. Some are just moreso than others, and some target different people than others. This is utterly destructive thinking, anyway. If the only hope, the only spark for change, flees, then there can never be improvement.
- jlebar 11y ago> All countries have oppressive regimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
- kinofcain 11y agoChina is ~20% of the world's population (1.36 billion of 7 billion). If everyone in China left China, and assuming the rest of the world is living as a family of four (play along), then every home in the world outside of China would have to take in one Chinese refugee. "Leave" is not a viable strategy at scale.
- ctdonath 11y agoYou don't need everyone to leave, just a relentlessly growing percentage. At some point the system starts to crack, and either they relent or it breaks. In the USA, there is the fundamental notion of "consent of the governed" - if enough people won't submit, the government cannot function.
- dreamfactory2 11y agoThat's true anywhere, and it's what governments of all stripes worry about and steer. Western ones do it with a bit more finesse, but there's little fundamental difference. It's why Chomsky talks about 'manufacturing consent', and why marketing is an important field for Western governments, as covered in some detail by Adam Curtis. The UK government even have a unit dedicated to 'nudge theory'.
- wyager 11y agoThe US government makes it very hard to leave, no finesse involved. To renounce your U.S. citizenship, you have to pay a fee of over $2000, pay huge "exit taxes", and provide six years of tax compliance proof to the IRS. http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/10/pf/taxes/expat-passport-citizenship-renounce/ http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/10/pf/taxes/expat-passport-citi...
- tankenmate 11y agoWhen it comes to capital China is actively preventing people with money from leaving; and even putting pressure on family members of people who have left in order bring them and, more importantly, their money back.
- mirimir 11y agoI've read that it's the wealthy who are leaving China. Or buying second homes, anyway.
- dang 11y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10101653 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10101653 and marked it off-topic, since it was a generic tangent that led, as so often happens, to a flamewar. It happened elsewhere in this thread as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10103364 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10103364. The end state of that one was Hitler, the end state of this one was jingoism. There aren't many end states. This subthread turned so pathetic that I wonder if we should create overflow pages for these. The bottom of a regular thread seems too good for them.