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2y ago
> Is the argument supposed to be that if the VPN wasn't there then like the tab snapping would work more smoothly and there would still be 35% market share? No, the argument is that if Mozilla didn't spend so much money on side
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2y ago
The "industry change" that would make Firefox fade away would be the death of web browsers in general, replaced by site-specific apps that leave users with no freedom to control how they interact with a site aside from a complete
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2y ago
No, it's not changing anything from an internationalization perspective. It's introducing a change to the content, gated by a 'firefox-tou' feature flag, and tagging the old text with an expiration date of 25-04-2025. Th
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2y ago
My favorite example of this is to look at all the hoops Wine has to jump through to get decent performance for locks. Apparently many developers writing for Windows default to using a locking primitive that can wait for a list of locks (spe
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2y ago
> The search engine partner using those logs is probably valuable consideration and hence a sale. It's not a sale when the search engine doesn't get those logs from Mozilla. When a user sends a search query to Google using a Mo
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2y ago
> For instance, suppose Mozilla partners with a search engine and could be claimed to get a discount or some other consideration for letting that search partner use search terms to improve the search engine. Something that isn't adv
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2y ago
> If you sell the information how many customers you have and how many shoes you've sold last month, are you selling your customer's personal data? To make that analogy fair for the scope of what Mozilla's doing, the shoe
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2y ago
I feel like you're deliberately ignoring the crux of the issue: a web browser's job does not require anything remotely resembling a copyright license from the user to the browser vendor . Yes, Mozilla has been developing and ac
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2y ago
> I'm not sure you and they agree on the meaning of collect: If you input personal data into Firefox - e.g., an email you type in a Gmail - then they 'collect' it. "They" in this context is Mozilla the organiza
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2y ago
> That data only exists in encrypted form and in a trusted execution environment, based on the evidence. First of all, please don't try to pretend that claims that the data remains encrypted and secure and only in trusted environmen
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2y ago
> It's meaningless data to you: It doesn't say what you click on, just where and how big the ads are, and how many times you click. It doesn't identify you or reveal anything about you, except that you clicked on some unkn
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2y ago
"impression and conversion data", "attribution, causal lift measurement and lookalike modeling". These are all terms of art in the field of tracking user behavior : collecting information, and using it to infer what you
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2y ago
> They say it's only for "doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox" - how is that alarming? Nothing that I intend to do with Firefox requires any such statement. The mere existence of the statement is evi
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2y ago
> Anonym also has technology that allows ad platforms and advertisers to securely share encrypted impression and conversion data within a trusted execution environment for attribution, causal lift measurement and lookalike modeling. Wow,
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wtallis
2y ago
From TFA: > Here’s what the new language will say: > You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-f
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2y ago
If they've pioneered such technologies, they aren't using them. Their Privacy Notice enumerates many types of data that Mozilla collects and passes along to "partners"/advertisers. For example: > Mozilla collects
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2y ago
This is about Mozilla's Terms of Use for Firefox , not Firefox Sync and Mozilla VPN. Those services need their own Terms of Use that doesn't apply to using Firefox without using those add-on services.
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2y ago
> So by that definition, if I click on your profile info here, HN is "selling me your data" no? What monetary or other valuable consideration does HN get from you when HN serves up someone's profile page to you?
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2y ago
Don't forget the push for browsers to ignore your DHCP-provided DNS server and instead get their DNS from a server outside your control over an encrypted tunnel. It's an obvious attack on stuff like PiHole, with little to no real
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2y ago
Mozilla's email-related service is https://relay.firefox.com/ which obviously needs to rely on quite a bit of Mozilla infrastructure in its default incarnation, and is probably a fair bit harder to self-host than Firef
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2y ago
I also doubt whether that business model could work. But I don't think doubt is the reason Mozilla hasn't tried it. They won't go that route because the best-case outcome is that it becomes a sustainable but small business. T
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2y ago
Selling ads isn't even the problem. They could do that and still truthfully, legally claim they never sell your data. Mozilla is helping perpetuate the illusion that online advertising necessarily includes collecting and selling data a
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2y ago
The problem here is that Mozilla has used language that is what you'd expect if the browser is sending data to Mozilla ; there's no need for such language if the browser is acting purely as a user agent and sending data to the ad
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2y ago
California was the example they chose to provide. From this, we can reasonably infer that Mozilla does not have a better example handy to illustrate what's wrong with legal definitions around selling user's data. If their best e
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2y ago
> The reason is that the discussion is nuanced, a smartphone plays a very different role in someone's life than a Nintendo Switch. That doesn't really align with the arguments people actually put forth for sideloading on iPhone
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2y ago
Are you wearing glasses with high-index lenses that cause significant chromatic aberration?
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2y ago
If you're going to count shootings at universities as school shootings, then it's reasonable to include shootings that happen over the weekend, because they still have students around on the weekends and at night.
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wtallis
2y ago
They're trying to do DMA in C, by calling the existing DMA code that's written in C from new drivers written in Rust. Their attempt to make an interface from Rust to the existing DMA code is what's being rejected by the guy
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2y ago
More generally, the Linux kernel and its build system are pretty modular in spite of being maintained in a single repo, so a bug somewhere usually isn't a showstopper for everyone, everywhere. Code that won't compile only affects
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2y ago
You're saying "not working" when you only have presented evidence for "not perfect". That experiment showed that even when asked to put effort into identifying the source of an anonymized paper—something that most r
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