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by untog 7y ago
Okay? ...I guess I don't really see why the current state of things should block any future development. Browsers shouldn't ever implement new features because users today aren't expecting them to exist?
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by untog 7y ago
I don't think that's actually what it clarifies. Or at the very least it's very confusing. > have their own counter of days of use. Their days of use will match actual use of the web application which resets the timer. T
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by untog 7y ago
Okay?
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by untog 7y ago
Well it isn't now , no, because Apple have made the platform unsuitable for it. But it was fine.
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by untog 7y ago
> Web applications added to the home screen are not part of Safari and thus have their own counter of days of use. Their days of use will match actual use of the web application which resets the timer. This is a baffling word salad. So t
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by untog 7y ago
There's a chicken/egg issue here. Apple's support for progressive web apps has been subpar, so it's difficult to justify the extra effort in making a PWA when a major platform doesn't fully support it. Which, in tur
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by untog 7y ago
> A web app on the other hand is connected by definition, no? No, not in the era of "progressive web apps", which is really just a little bit of branding around interconnected APIs. The Cache API in particular means that a weba
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by untog 7y ago
> sites that want it will get it this way and even if you respond with "no" that's useful to them as well for fingerprinting To an extent, sure. But to follow the model of third party cookies, let's say client hints a
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by untog 7y ago
You can see Chrome devrels on Twitter expressing disappointment with Chrome-only web sites, saying that they raise the issue internally. Of course we have no visibility into what happens after that, but it's an indicator that you'
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by untog 7y ago
> I don't really understand how this will result in any real difference in privacy or homogeneity of the web. It does a little: sites don't passively receive this information all the time, instead they have to actively ask for
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by untog 7y ago
How will things be broken? Google is not removing the user agent, they're just freezing it. So all sites that currently depend on the user agent will continue to do just fine. New sites can use client hints instead, which are a much mo
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by untog 7y ago
Not usually, no. CSS media queries are used to format according to display size. But as a sibling here has indicated, client hints will replace the user agent here.
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by untog 7y ago
Safari still lets you add a web app to the homescreen, though. It could be used as a signal.
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by untog 7y ago
How is that relevant to the conversation? If it is so little-used as to be irrelevant then the user-first thing to do would be to remove the functionality but Apple haven’t. I can speak from personal experience that users do use it when you
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by untog 7y ago
What technologies does Safari not support that you need? That’s a genuine question by the way. I’ve been frustrated by Apple’s reluctance in the past but since they implemented Service Workers things have gotten better. I still really wish
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by untog 7y ago
That’s a very rosy way of looking at it. iOS has had bugs with its “add to home screen” webapps that kicked around literally for years . If they were being “user first” they’d support it fully or not support it at all. Instead they impleme
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by untog 7y ago
Genuine question: what makes native ad frameworks different here? They execute with the same privilege of their containing app so surely they’re open to similar privacy concerns. Shouldn’t native apps have their storage cleared?
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by untog 7y ago
You say that as if it isn’t an absolutely giant extra piece of functionality and ongoing cost. That native apps won’t have to do.
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by untog 7y ago
What an ugly comment thread that is. Anyway I doubt it’s fair to say the project is dead, something of this importance will be forked and maintained. It’s an annoyance for sure, though.
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by untog 7y ago
Native apps don't really have the problem of third-party ad networks storing data intermixed with app data in this way, though.
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by untog 7y ago
> after seven days of Safari use without user interaction on the site If it's a PWA that's regularly used you should be fine. But if not, yeah, that's going to be very annoying.
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by untog 7y ago
> You don't need to use them. But people will, though. If you're lucky enough to be there at the start of project you could establish a list of allowed functionality but at that point you're documenting your documentation,
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by untog 7y ago
Oh boy it's been a while since I've read something I disagree with to this extent! People use Markdown because you can read it both in its formatted version and in its raw unformatted source. Asciidoc is... not that. Just looking
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by untog 7y ago
This article sums up the feelings of many New Yorkers, myself included: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/business/media/cuomo-new-... In normal times he is utterly infuriating and represents some
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by untog 7y ago
Economic contraction can be countered by government spending in the short term. For instance in the UK the government has pledged to pay up to 80% of unemployed workers wages during this crisis. There will certainly be a hole to dig out of
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by untog 7y ago
> I'd be interested if someone knowledgable could do the math on lost years of life from 14% of the elderly dying vs such a severe economic contraction. That's not a math problem. There is no equation for comparing the death of
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by untog 7y ago
I’m not sure anyone ever indicated that it was urgent... it’s taken a long time for them to take this step! There’s an element of carrot and stick here, the browser vendors sometimes have to push people in the right direction. I think they’
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by untog 7y ago
Then everyone you know and particularly their mother is extremely atypical.
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by untog 7y ago
The great thing is we don’t need to guess about this! Firefox and Chrome have user telemetry showing that FTP is barely ever used.
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by untog 7y ago
You’re suggesting there is a mass campaign to spoof Firefox telemetry and mask high levels of FTP usage?

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