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What makes you think Corbyn is an "extremist"? If you think the Labour party, with its strong social democratic is extreme, what must you think of the Communist Party? Perhaps I'm in a minority, but I don't think Corbyn
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I've quoted Engels in one comment and my final score on that comment was -3. I used the same quote somewhere else and the score was 10. Could this be attributed to whether I'm posting in the appropriate thread, or is it that lefti
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> You're not communicating if people reflexively downvote you. I don't really understand this; most likely I think that you are communicating, and people don't like what they're reading. Sure, posts that don't co
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Tox is worth a look for peer-to-peer, encryption and DHT too.
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The fact that other people don't like what you have to say means that you have to reflect on what you're saying? Maybe, but that only applies if you're seeking for approval. Many people are not, they want to communicate their
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To an extent. We know of a causative or some kind of relationship, but whether consciousness is an entirely physical phenomenon, or the concept of mind, is still up for debate, at least in philosophy. To say either way as a fact would requi
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>What Marx calls labour-power is conventionally called labour. The employer buys labour, or work, from the worker. Marx was very careful to dismiss this, though, in fact it was one of his main critiques of classical political economy. &g
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> I don't I need to tell you that every time they've tried to pull the profit motive out a system in the past, it's been a complete disaster... It should be a gradual change, even Marx in the Communist Manifesto proposed v
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>Yet if management and labor are one in the same, then who is setting the compensation rates for labor except labor itself? I can't see the problem with that; however please do not mistake me as a proponent of co-operative business
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>That's what an employment contract stipulates the employer is buying. That doesn't mean that's what the employer is buying, though. As far as I know, it is not usually stipulated the products which the employee produces
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>Everyone needs to get paid for what they put in -- by and large, there is no surplus. I very much disagree; this would be an ideal situation, which I am a proponent of, however it is not what currently happens, at least from how I see i
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>The capitalist receives some of the fruit of other's labor No, the capitalist actually receives all of it; the products of labour are re-appropriated at the end of production. The capitalist then pays wage, which is equal to the am
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I don't think the parent commenter is referring to going back to what there was before; a Marxist who wants to hasten the revolution, for example, is not arguing for the stage of historical development before capitalism (feudalism),
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> If the value of labour on its own was really equal to the value of money paid to the worker Nobody, not even Marx, is claiming this. The employer does not actually buy labour, this is a popular misconception. He purchases the capacity
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>Am I completely misunderstanding your (and Marx's) position here? Yes, or at least, to the best of my knowledge of Marx. The aeroplane has thousands of hours of basic socially necessary labour which have been put into it. All the
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>capital which would accumulate in the hands of the capital owning class until capital entirely replaced labour in production. I'm not sure if this is what Marx was getting at, at least from my point of view. Marx of all people knew
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> Marx considered all profit from financial investment to be economic rent, unjustly misappropriated from workers. No, Marx considered profit made from the value added to commodities by labour, this profit arising from purchasing of labo
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I'm opposed to it beacuse it is censorship, while I reject private property altogether. Different ways of reaching the same conclusion, I suppose :)
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Me too, I've created #Communism, works for me too. I didn't like how I had to subscribe to other channels before it let me make my own, though. https://voten.co/c/communism/
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Have you heard of things like NNTPChan? Granted, it's not "Reddit" (it's an imageboard) however it's an imageboard that works over NNTP. It's as decentralised as I know of, though I'd also be interested in
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What do you mean by this comment? I don't think many people, even the Marxists, are arguing that capitalism isn't a good thing; the disagreement is whether the capitalist mode of production is the "best" way to organise
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>There is absolutely nothing wrong with it but no need to start writing Communist Manifesto 2.0 when all you need to say is "Robots are going to replace us, jobs are going to go away and we need basic income". Although the Mani
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>Convenience isn't an excuse for copyright violation. Why does one need an excuse for copyright violation?
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No, I do not. It helps to remember that "Communist country" is an oxymoron; a Communist society is a stateless one.
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>Who created your rules of socialism? Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels >As far as Venezuela is concerned, the current government do see themselves as socialist (the Bolivarian revolution). As I said, just because his name is Angus and h
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>Take that away and there is no good reason for taking the risk I'm not arguing for businesses, I'm arguing for the destruction of capitalism. I hope that businesses currently around fail. >This is already allowed in a capit
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> Someone has to work to produce the goods and services we need I agree, but they don't have to work for someone else who extracts surplus. They can organise themselves and work themselves, voluntarily. They then own the products th
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There is a very simple test of whether a society is a Socialist one; namely, a society is Socialist if its predominant mode of production is the Socialist one. The Socialist mode of production is distinguished from all others by the followi
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Why not contribute to the modern Marxist discourse in finding out how this can be achieved, then?
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Why is whether the employer created it or not relevant? What matters is the fact that the employee is forced to work, or to starve. In the times of widespread slavery, a slave owner didn't create the system of slavery, yet nobody wou
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