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From magic to literacy: ask LLMs for tools, not answers
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Moldable Development at Lifeware (micro tools for a 35M LOC system)
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1y ago
Moldable Development is a way of programming through contextual tools. This is a case study showing how thousands of contextual tools can coexist in a unified development environment for a 35M lines of code system. These tools help develope
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I am glad that AI provides what you are looking for. I'd still be interested if you have a specific point you disagree with in relation to what I wrote above and in particular, what we wrote in our little book (the link is above) speci
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1y ago
Great! :)
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1y ago
Sure. Those are technical details. But ask yourself: how many things have been expressed this way? For example, what about security? Business domain documentation? Performance? Architecture? Discovering APIs? etc It's not that the idea
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1y ago
Please do feel free to email! Or contact me on social media.
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1y ago
Thanks for the suggestion. orgmode is certainly interesting, but again, its goal is a (small) subset of what is achievable with GT :). And as you say, even that is hard for beginners. > Lastly, it is a bold statement to say something lik
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1y ago
No, AI is not Moldable Development. AI can help Moldable Development (mostly as an optimization). Moldable Development is first and foremost about the interface. AI is an engine. The interface is the thing you interact through. Like the cha
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Thanks for the feedback. And for the kind words. >The only problem is that they seem to get unwieldy after a certain point. The view of all the different tools / libraries that come with it at the end of the presentation shows that.
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1y ago
Consider joining us on Discord to look into more details :)
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1y ago
Nice summary! Indeed, we regard software engineering as being primarily decision making. This is a stark departure from the typical perception of software engineering as a construction activity. Once you take this path, the tools are going
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1y ago
Few green field, but that's not because of the technology merits.
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I am not sure why you are saying that I am not paying attention to how AI is impacting software development. I just pointed you to a chapter that shows that it's not a competitor at all. Moldable Development and GenAI are complementary
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Thanks for the clarification! I am sorry for the confusion. I am glad you found the demos interesting. I’d be interested what made them attractive from your point of view.
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Are you referring to Smalltalk here or Glamorous Toolkit? :)
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Well, I have seen reasonably important systems being written in Smalltalk, but these were not advertised too publicly because... well, they were considered a competitive advantage :).
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Glamorous Toolkit is built in Smalltalk, but it is not intended for you to build systems using Smalltalk. It is a technology for building development environments for your systems. That's not quite the same. Oh, and we use it in corpor
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In the meantime, you can use Lepiter pages and program Python from there and inspect Python objects with inspector views defined either in Python or in Pharo :).
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You seem to consider LLMs for their ability to generate code and consider it to be 10x an improvement over not using them. Still, even assuming this is correct (which is not yet anywhere close to being certain), as long as there will be hum
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That's an interesting way of putting it! Thanks.
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I am not sure what you mean exactly. GT works on all desktop OSes (and on Android). It works with Git for all sources. It can interoperate with the file system. It works with other runtimes like JS or Python. It works with the debugger adap
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Indeed :). Thanks for watching. What do you think of it?
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Interesting. What operating system were you on?
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It certainly can :). In fact, you might not need MCP for that either. There already exist programmable abilities to work with LLMs within the environment.
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Thank you. We really do not advertise our marketing ability. Only that we are researchers and engineers that might have found a solution to a large engineering problem :). Or put it differently, would you rather take engineering advice from
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Thanks for the suggestion. I would be curious to learn more about what you mean about "AI with tool usage". In any case, we wrote a bit about what we think of the intersection between Moldable Development and GenAI as explanations
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Thanks for taking the time to provide this detailed feedback! I agree that the message is not yet clear for most. We can see it in these threads quite well. Now, this is not the first one we are trying, and we will continue to try further :
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Interesting questions! Glamorous Toolkit is indeed built by the team at feenk, which is a company. However, we created the company to fund the research, not the other way around. Everything we do is free and open-source. Our goal is not to
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You can render SVG and have Bezier curves in GT.
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