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by tabbott 6y ago
The author did a really good job of articulating why I've spent the last several years working on Zulip despite there being a thousand Slack clones to choose from. Asynchronous communication is essential to being able to focus, at leas
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by tabbott 6y ago
> How much power do the VCs typically have? I think it's less about the power relationship, exactly, and more about the way VC-funded companies are setup to be run. As part of raising a round, you prepare a business plan that invol
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by tabbott 6y ago
Losing their independence was from the beginning the most likely outcome of building something that's hard to monetize like Keybase on the VC funding model. FWIW, I doubt Keybase offering a paid plan would have raised revenue that&#x2
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by tabbott 6y ago
Just to be clear, Zulip is not Open Core. We are 100% open source software, in contrast with Mattermost, GitLab, and many (most?) other VC-funded applications marketed as "open source". I think this is a really important distinct
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by tabbott 7y ago
Disclosure: I run Zulip, a Mattermost competitor that has intentionally avoided taking venture funding in part because we don't want to be forced by investors to be Open Core. Venture-funded Open Core software like Mattermost is an awk
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by tabbott 7y ago
This is, fundamentally, the Open Core business plan, which Mattermost is executing quite successfully. You get all the marketing benefits of being "open source", but few IT departments will use your software in production withou
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Zulip 2.1: open-source team chat(blog.zulip.org)
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by tabbott 7y ago
I'd say the big thing is helping us avoid reinventing the wheel. There's a lot of problems that every webapp has, and Django provides a system for solving most of them. I particularly enjoy their migrations and automated testing
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by tabbott 7y ago
We've supported Debian in production since 2018, and we're close to supporting RHEL as well. And even if we only supported Ubuntu, there's a lot of benefit to providing an installer that works on every Ubuntu LTS release; m
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by tabbott 7y ago
Yeah, that matches my experience; their documentation on upgrades is excellent, and there's generally only issues not covered by their deprecation notices in places where you were doing something not supported by the documented API (E.
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by tabbott 7y ago
Zulip has been powered by Django since the very early days of its development with Django 1.4, back in 2012. As a reasonably mature web application with significant scale, we're at the stage in many companies' development where on
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by tabbott 7y ago
Zulip's hosted plans for corporate users have a similar model to Slack's -- there's a free plan with limited access to history, and a paid plan with full access to everything. Since you mentioned nonprofits, we provide free h
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by tabbott 7y ago
I lead the Zulip project, and am also super sad about this. There's a very active Zulip in the Rust community ( https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com ), and we love the great feedback we've gotten from them. The "IAM pro
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by tabbott 7y ago
I lead the Zulip project, and we would definitely have been excited to do the work to make Zulip available. Unfortunately, they didn't contact us. After seeing this blog post, I emailed the OP yesterday offering to add whatever they n
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by tabbott 7y ago
Right, our recommendation is to run Zulip on a dedicated VM or container, which I'm sure is how Mozilla will install any self-hosted chat software. For context, the background for that advice is that most folks who want Zulip to share
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by tabbott 7y ago
Zulip uses your full name as the primary identifier facing other users. Depending on the organization's configuration, a user's email address may or may not be available as well, but we just need your name (and auto-generated use
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by tabbott 7y ago
> I don't want to trust Zulip to survive 15 years. You don't need to, we have an official tool that generates an HTML archive: https://github.com/zulip/zulip_archive . We recently adopted it from the great
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by tabbott 7y ago
Our plans page reads: "Zulip Cloud Standard is free for open source projects and affiliated institutions." which I thought was unambiguous that our paid plan is free for open source projects. The intent of our pricing model is to
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by tabbott 7y ago
Zulip | https://zulipchat.com/ | REMOTE or in San Francisco | Senior Mobile Engineer | Full-time | SF Zulip is the leading 100% free and open source alternative to Slack. Our users love Zulip because of our unique UX with t
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by tabbott 7y ago
Yes, via the Zulip API, which is how the Lean Prover tool works. Zulip's "full organization data" export tool is only available to administrators, and we haven't heard any complaints about that model.
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by tabbott 7y ago
Zulip lead developer here. For chat apps, I don't think the problem of "data scattered around backend-DBs" is a real concern. E.g. Zulip has a well-defined data export format that's easily parsable JSON and contains all
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by tabbott 8y ago
The point is that it's a lot faster to process 20 unread threads with 100 messages than 100 unread messages, because they're nicely grouped. E.g. you can skip reading the 30 messages in the thread about "afternoon lunch&quot
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by tabbott 8y ago
We've been really happy using KaTeX as the LaTeX rendering engine for Zulip; it's super fast, and the fact that you can do the rendering on the backend (and just serve HTML + CSS at display time) is really nice.
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by tabbott 8y ago
That's already easy to do with the Zulip API.
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by tabbott 8y ago
Well, theoretically, you could use a signed version of a native app from a distributor you trust (or build it yourself after inspecting the code, or whatever).
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by tabbott 8y ago
It looks like they are based on Docker; I imagine they could use https://github.com/zulip/docker-zulip . It seems like Cloudrun packages other apps, not the other way around?
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by tabbott 8y ago
Yes, there are several major things planned (in addition to the fact that every release touches dozens of smaller UI things; you should see what the Zulip 1.3 settings UI was like!). A few notes: * There's active work on replacing the
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by tabbott 8y ago
Public archives is definitely on the Zulip roadmap; much of the preparatory backend work for supporting was merged last year. One thing I'd be interested in feedback on is how folks would feel about an ugly/janky version? There&#
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by tabbott 8y ago
Not yet. https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/3618 is the issue for it if you'd like to follow it.
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by tabbott 8y ago
Interesting idea; it's not something I'd thought about. I definitely figuring out what SMTP server to use is the hardest part of Zulip server setup, and I had believed there was nothing we could really do to make it easier. I gu

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