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Hi! It'd be a huge help if you can stop by chat.zulip.org and share in #feedback what you find bizarre. Maybe we can fix them for you :)
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Search engines are great at rendering content using JavaScript, they're just not able to explore the Zulip web application's URL structure, so they tend to index one page per Zulip installation. The current solution is that projec
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2y ago
Without a clear explanation of methodology, this is meaningless. My guess is this statistic is generated using misleading techniques like classifying "code changes generated by existing bulk/automated refactoring tools" as &q
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2y ago
I hope the FTC staffs a large office for enforcement on this. There are surely many hundreds of companies in the business of selling fake reviews, many of them outside the US, and I don't expect much change in the consumer reality of &
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Greppability is the reason why I feel it's really quite unfortunate that HTML's dataset attribute went with "canonicalizing" to camel case; if you're using any non-camel-case data attribute names in your project, th
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2y ago
It is kinda amazing how consistently status pages show everything fine during a total outage. It's not that hard to connect a status page to end-to-end monitoring statistics...
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2y ago
Zulip is designed to use your OS/browser's timezone for this and all other displays of times (say, when messages were sent). This is usually what you want, since it means you just need to make sure your computer's clock is co
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2y ago
That's effectively an API feature only: There's no button or typeahead for entering it. Zulip's version is a first-class feature with a compose box button and typeahead, designed to be convenient enough that humans routinely
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I wonder if there's a story here involving a URL shortener service having hidden costs? I can imagine there being something in the abuse space that makes it feel more expensive than just the hosting costs to operate.
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This is so cool! It reminds me a bit of one my favorite debugging techniques: Running an individual test with coverage reporting enabled, and then clicking around the HTML coverage report to see exactly what code path the test followed, wit
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If you have a bit of time, I'd love it if you stopped by chat.zulip.org to discuss this more interactively. I don't think we have heard any of them from other users, so feedback including a specific example of an organization or u
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Just a quick correction: Zulip supports logging in with your Google account (as well as GitHub, GitLab and Apple): https://zulip.com/help/configure-authentication-methods . In Zulip Cloud, those options are enabled by d
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We (Zulip) also have a free Community plan that we sponsor for thousands of communities, that does not limit message history.
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Yeah I think Slack's updated stated internal policies are about as reasonable as one can hope for from a tech giant, if one can trust them to stand by those policies. Your article was on my mind when writing this, I guess I should have
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Zulip project leader here. I think you're missing a big part of the point of the post: Which is that if you self-hosting, nobody can train models on your data, if you're going to use a cloud service, you should use one where you c
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Self-hosting keeps your private data out of AI models
(blog.zulip.com)
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I'd be curious to investigate this; do you have many tens of thousands of unread messages in the Lean community, or is it a new account? I ask because we have a known issue in Zulip that the first minute or two of using the product is
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I lead the Zulip project, feel free to stop by chat.zulip.org to discuss what you're trying to do. Just to clarify for anyone here reading, Zulip can be scaled out, but largely our philosophy is that you should only scale out if you ne
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Indeed, Zulip has several views along the lines of "All threads", designed for different use cases and user preferences: - https://zulip.com/help/inbox - https://zulip.com/help/recent-con
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Following up on this thread, we spent a bunch of time talking to users over the last few days and have done more or less exactly that: https://blog.zulip.com/2023/12/19/self-hosting-without-comme...
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Thanks for the thoughtful response! I really appreciate it. I'm doing my best to be as transparent as possible, so here's a very long reply. This is not a change motivated by short-term needs. The problem statement is not that we
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We always appreciate well-written bug reports! But for what it's worth, we're including support with Zulip Business, not consulting. Consulting is building custom features or whatnot that are just for a single customer. Support is
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We of course carefully looked at following Rocket.Chat's previous business model of metering notifications. A lot of incentive and predictability problems with a per-notification pricing plan that I mentioned in https://news
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Pricing per seat is a better model for all parties. - It's more predictable for the business (you can model what you'll pay in advance), so the business can model their total expenses and make a budget. I don't see how a cust
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Since there's a lot of discussion of it feeling expensive for "just push notifications", I think it's probably worth my addressing that directly as a top-level comment. Zulip Business costs $6.67/user/month. Wh
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Hi, I lead the Zulip project. I agree the existing React Native mobile apps have been the biggest pain point for Zulip. Our mobile team's main focus for the last year been rewriting our mobile apps in Flutter, which will result in apps
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Thanks for the kind words! For those curious, Zulip is deep into rewriting our mobile apps in Flutter ( https://github.com/zulip/zulip-flutter ). It's hard to predict the timing for that type of project, but the goa
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Just to clarify something: Zulip decorates streams with icons hinting the size of the audience for the stream, which can be helpful for considering the level of care that you might want to use in writing your messages. In particular, Zulip
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Thanks for the report! It's intentional that if you're logged in that you get to the plans page showing the current plan for your organization, but the redirect for the case where you're not logged should go to the root domai
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You can do search engine indexing via https://github.com/zulip/zulip-archive ; it defaults to archiving your public access streams. We will eventually support search engine indexing without the extra overhead of running
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