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by szasamasa 3y ago
It may have to do something that if you cannot trust Apple not to break web apps like they are planning to do now, companies will not invest in web apps. Also, most companies have native apps already... Web apps are the future competitor, n
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by szasamasa 3y ago
you are right, I could have expected this but I just did not... I did not expect Apple to try another round... their argument is just so transparent and weak in my eyes I am studying DMA and I still think there is no way they can get away w
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by szasamasa 3y ago
had the ability... he did not mention specifically and yes, with web apps you can develop for iOS too, one code base for all and whether it is criminal, sadly, must be determined on court... the DMA explicitly supports web apps without rstr
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by szasamasa 3y ago
web apps are the future, not the present Apple was holding them back and just pulled the plug. Only if web programmers can count on future proof support will they produce web apps. In addition, most companies have already created native app
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by szasamasa 3y ago
well you can use Firefox as it is you trust Mozilla and (the real) Firefox on iOS will not implement anything that is insecure right now, Mozilla will not be able to implement plenty of web standards even if it was secure according to Mozil
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by szasamasa 3y ago
do I just hear the arguments again how java is slow vs c++? the browser is the jvm of a web app, very secure and js engines like V8 is extremely capable... although js programs can be run at near native speed (the browser is a c++ program n
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by szasamasa 3y ago
no chance and it is not childish but the truth in the US there are no alternative browser engines to webkit and the control of web capabilities is exercised through webkit, in the eu it is no longer possible and the control is planned to be
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by szasamasa 3y ago
You are right. At the very beginning, Safari was innovation and Jobs wanted the web succeed. I meant of course the period when webkit was the only browser engine allowed and Apple claimed the reason was they wanted security etc. Now it is c
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by szasamasa 3y ago
You are right. I was sure that something like this cannot happen and I was a bit in shock, I must admit. Web apps on macOS and on every other OS using modern web standards, it seemed the final step to allow alternative web engines on iOS. I
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by szasamasa 3y ago
I would like this thread to be a somewhat deeper discussion about DMA and web apps. I would welcome true tech or legal arguments. But please if you are an apple-bot or rather less familiar with web tech, read more before commenting. I don&#
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It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU(open-web-advocacy.org)
232 points by szasamasa 3y ago|325 comments
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by szasamasa 3y ago
Apps are standalone user experiences. Native apps play by the operating system's security rules, while web domains operate within the sandbox of the browser. Web apps are just websites in standalone mode. If you misunderstand web apps
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by szasamasa 3y ago
web apps are websites with standalone the name "install" is bad and the wording is NOT a web standard, NOTHING is installed the question is web capabilities one core capability is caching and offline via service workers no need fo
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by szasamasa 3y ago
web apps are websites with standalone the name "install" is bad and the wording is NOT a web standard, NOTHING is installed the question is web capabilities one core capability is caching and offline via service workers no need fo
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by szasamasa 3y ago
are you an apple bot or an apple employee or you just get money from apple? APPLE is TRYing to kill web capabilities because they threaten to become practically an alternative app store where develoers can bring great UX to people WITHOUT a
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by szasamasa 3y ago
are your relatives that dumb potatoes you cannot recommend using safari as their web browser? safari can ban web capabilities and you and your family can use it let me and others make our own choices of web browsers
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by szasamasa 3y ago
well, in the eu you have to make the effort to design with disability in mind even if it costs a business i am sure ios programmers will just be able to design whatever is needed if mac os, android, windows or linux programmers can or else
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by szasamasa 3y ago
they are not killing anything, they are trying to hinder/kill/suppress web apps it shows it is all about money, even mac os has no problems with other web browser engines they entitle users to give every permission to any native a
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by szasamasa 3y ago
you are an apple bot I see otherwise why do you specifically care what browser engine choice I make? Apple could disable web capabilities in safari and let other engines do otherwise you CAN and SHOULD stay in Safari if you trust only apple
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by szasamasa 3y ago
agree very WEAK arguments from apple, practically lies mac os users have been safe from service workers and web app capabilities using chrome and firefox and edge in the last 5-10 years surely apple is able to keep ios and ipados users safe
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by szasamasa 3y ago
it is competition law it is also an effort to build access for disabled people the difference is Apple has practically disabled the web as an app store and in the future if it is possible to launch web apps on every platform, there will be
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by szasamasa 3y ago
a user can stay in safari if it trusts apple with web security a user can download spying native apps from the apple app store but I cannot decide to trust Google, Microsoft, Mozilla with their browser security sandbox?
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by szasamasa 3y ago
Regulations like the DMA are all about user choice. Web apps and alternative browsers are key to breaking monopolies and offering real options. Inflated security scares about the web are a classic tactic to push closed systems. It's ti
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by szasamasa 3y ago
My take on the subject: The web, by its very nature, is the ultimate app store and Apple's largest potential competitor, highlighting the anti-competitive concerns. However, "website install" implies heightened risk and poten
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by szasamasa 3y ago
competition law will enforce alternative app stores and usage of alternative web engines (gecko, chromium besides webkit) the biggest alternative store is the web the website you use today can be a functional "app" tomorrow if wel
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by szasamasa 3y ago
the biggest alternative store is the web the website you use can be an app if well written "install" is not needed, the bad wording "install" is just a switch to standalone mode from tab view (and get a direct launch but
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by szasamasa 3y ago
please do not call it install, nothing is installed, it switches to standalone mode and you can start it from the os directly (app button etc) very bad wording... all that is to "install" has long been downloaded and was "ins
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by szasamasa 3y ago
technically nothing is installed, it is just bad wording and bad decision to call it install... just standalone mode with an app button what is "installed" is js, css, html etc. files downloaded the second you go to a web site, se
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by szasamasa 3y ago
fishing is another topic we did not talk about passwords vs. passkeys we talked about whether a public key is actually a similar secret than a well managed (hashed) password well it is not up to you to decide what terms are normal the langu
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by szasamasa 3y ago
you dont quite get my point i compare password hashing on server with passkeys where you store the public key on the server... we are told to hash computer intensive preparing for the worst that the server is breached and an attacker has th

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