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do I just hear the arguments again how java is slow vs c++? the browser is the jvm of a web app, very secure and js engines like V8 is extremely capable... alt

do I just hear the arguments again how java is slow vs c++? the browser is the jvm of a web app, very secure and js engines like V8 is extremely capable... although js programs can be run at near native speed (the browser is a c++ program normally and there is native compilation of some code fragments) you should also make yourself familiar with webassembly tech... some folks use even node.js on the server side... the js UI model is also very good and nobody is replacing native apps, there will be a great competition and in those areas where native has competitive edge, it will win

troupo 3y ago
> do I just hear the arguments again how java is slow vs c++? No, no you don't > the browser is the jvm of a web app, very secure and js engines like V8 is extremely capable And what this has to do with apps and the fact that web apps are universally slow, bloated, underperforming, and require significantly more resources to do the most primitive things than native apps? > you should also make yourself familiar with webassembly tech Same question as above > some folks use even node.js on the server side... Some folks use even java server side... this surely means we have an abundance of amazing great apps written in Java? > the js UI model is also very good There's literally no UI model in Javascript. > there will be a great competition and in those areas where native has competitive edge, it will win There will be no competition because lazy people and people who have never seen the world outside their web bubble will simply opt for the cheapest option.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  > No, no you don't Yeah, yeah, he does. Not only C/C++ v. Java, but before that ASM v. C/C++. > There will be no competition because lazy people and people who have never seen the world outside their web bubble will simply opt for the cheapest option. This is what most people would consider an opportunity. Get off HN and write competing apps. If these are really "lazy" developers delivering "slow and bloated" apps, you should have no problem kicking their asses in the marketplace. But you won't.
  - troupo 3y ago
    > Yeah, yeah, he does. Not only C/C++ v. Java, but before that ASM v. C/C++. Argument from analogy is one of the weakest one can make. Because analogies are always incorrect. Besides, two can play this game. I'm arguing to use cars to get from point A to point B when you're arguing to use horse-driven buggies. > Get off HN and write competing apps. If these are really "lazy" developers delivering "slow and bloated" apps, you should have no problem kicking their asses in the marketplace. > But you won't. Ad hominem an kindergarten-level "I dare you" are even weaker arguments
    - dang 3y ago
      Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 3y ago
    Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

troupo 3y ago

> do I just hear the arguments again how java is slow vs c++? No, no you don't > the browser is the jvm of a web app, very secure and js engines like V8 is extremely capable And what this has to do with apps and the fact that web apps are universally slow, bloated, underperforming, and require significantly more resources to do the most primitive things than native apps? > you should also make yourself familiar with webassembly tech Same question as above > some folks use even node.js on the server side... Some folks use even java server side... this surely means we have an abundance of amazing great apps written in Java? > the js UI model is also very good There's literally no UI model in Javascript. > there will be a great competition and in those areas where native has competitive edge, it will win There will be no competition because lazy people and people who have never seen the world outside their web bubble will simply opt for the cheapest option.

Turing_Machine 3y ago
> No, no you don't Yeah, yeah, he does. Not only C/C++ v. Java, but before that ASM v. C/C++. > There will be no competition because lazy people and people who have never seen the world outside their web bubble will simply opt for the cheapest option. This is what most people would consider an opportunity. Get off HN and write competing apps. If these are really "lazy" developers delivering "slow and bloated" apps, you should have no problem kicking their asses in the marketplace. But you won't.
- troupo 3y ago
  > Yeah, yeah, he does. Not only C/C++ v. Java, but before that ASM v. C/C++. Argument from analogy is one of the weakest one can make. Because analogies are always incorrect. Besides, two can play this game. I'm arguing to use cars to get from point A to point B when you're arguing to use horse-driven buggies. > Get off HN and write competing apps. If these are really "lazy" developers delivering "slow and bloated" apps, you should have no problem kicking their asses in the marketplace. > But you won't. Ad hominem an kindergarten-level "I dare you" are even weaker arguments
  - dang 3y ago
    Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 3y ago
  Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html